Opinion pieces targeting trans

kitkat22

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Simply put, I find I need to be aware of various arguments against trans individuals because I don't know when I will ever be approached or questions come flying. Some articles I review are flat wrong with context to medical knowledge. They play on fear, ignorance and bias. The latest one truly got me laughing. It was a sad laugh because of how pathetic it was, but it was a laugh none the less. I know it's the Washington Examiner, but this is one of the examples where we find this garbage.

Transgenderism is experiencing a crisis of scientific legitimacy (washingtonexaminer.com)

I highly recommend opening the article that is linked to find out what was really said about the "500 known cases ever." I would also recommend doing a little reading on what makes true vs not-true(?) hermaphroditism. There are several contradictions and the bias is incredibly clear given the writer's credentials.

Anyway, below is a link describing the insanely complicated process of sexual maturation and dozens of genes that can and do go haywire. Sexual differentiation is ridiculously more complicated than just XX/XY. (BTW, my mutation is listed in this article as well - FGFR1 - I also have friends with SOX9 reversal and one with a child who is XO/XY and born female)

Sexual Differentiation - Endotext - NCBI Bookshelf (nih.gov)
 

sportage

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They ALWAYS must have their boogieman. It's always something. Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Illegals, Gay, Trans, handicapped, someone, anyone. The old I'M BETTER THAN YOU ARE syndrome. And naturally, be it a neanderthal like MTG to start this shit. MTG, the US rep that barks at the moon and fears lizard space aliens.

We REALLY got to get these people out of congress once and for all. All of the sicko's like MTG, George Santos, McCarthy, Gaetz, and so so many others all of them republicans. They just keep on coming and coming out of the woodwork, and too many ignorant voters keep electing them. I still wonder WHO EXACTLY ARE THESE PEOPLE that keep electing such morons?
 

VRAMdemon

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Also very troubling is some of these somewhat sane Republicans just giving up.


According to that story, she faced a backlash after she voted against two anti-trans bills.

"My whole political ideology lays with the fact that I don’t think we should control people’s lives,” she said at the time. “I really just don’t understand why people are so threatened by other people’s decisions that they feel the need to control them. This decision isn’t hurting us in any way.”

Sounds like it she’s just discovered that she does not belong in today’s Republican party. No matter what the GOP party of today says its motives are, it’s actually only power, and fear & loathing. I feel bad for her. But at the same time - the combination of “now that it's MY ox being gored, maybe this is bad and not for me”, and then allowing the bigots to win by resigning is certainly frustrating and disappointing. I hope she learns something, gets healthier, and continues to fight for what is right in some kind of capacity after resigning.
 
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kitkat22

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Also very troubling is some of these somewhat sane Republicans just giving up.


According to that story, she faced a backlash after she voted against two anti-trans bills.



Sounds like it she’s just discovered that she does not belong in today’s Republican party. No matter what the GOP party of today says its motives are, it’s actually only power, and fear & loathing. I feel bad for her. But at the same time - the combination of “now that it's MY ox being gored, maybe this is bad and not for me”, and then allowing the bigots to win by resigning is certainly frustrating and disappointing. I hope she learns something, gets healthier, and continues to fight for what is right in some kind of capacity after resigning.

We are the next boogeyman. Something they can rally against despite there being no evidence to support their cause. There are some level headed individuals but the noise is drowning them out.
 
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skyking

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I tried reading some of it, I got as far as "gender euphoria" services at Planned Parenthood and gave up. I see the fear they try to spread.
All we have to fight it with is love, and love is stronger.
 
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kitkat22

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I tried reading some of it, I got as far as "gender euphoria" services at Planned Parenthood and gave up. I see the fear they try to spread.
All we have to fight it with is love, and love is stronger.

I absolutely agree with MLK. You can't fight hate with hate. Only love can overcome hate.
 
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Brovane

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We are the next boogeyman. Something they can rally against despite there being no evidence to support their cause. There are some level headed individuals but the noise is drowning them out.

Since for most people the entire being homosexual and same-sex marriage can really no longer be used as a wedge-issue. Most Americans have slowly realized that being "gay" is ok. That same-sex marriage is also ok. So now they have moved onto "trans people" are bad as the next wedge-issue since a lot of American's just don't understand their is more to sexuality than just being male/female.
 

woolfe9998

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Since for most people the entire being homosexual and same-sex marriage can really no longer be used as a wedge-issue. Most Americans have slowly realized that being "gay" is ok. That same-sex marriage is also ok. So now they have moved onto "trans people" are bad as the next wedge-issue since a lot of American's just don't understand their is more to sexuality than just being male/female.

Yes, they've moved on from gay to trans, but using the same nonsense arguments. Like the notion that someone will teach your kids about gender identity and they will somehow then decide to change genders. No different than the old notion that gays were out to recruit people to their club.

I guess they must think that neither sexual orientation nor gender identity are very firmly held positions for individuals. Yet I can remember being a kid. I identified as male and liked girls. The notion that anyone could possibly have recruited me into being gay or trans because of something they said is ludicrous. They must be the ultimate believers in gender fluiditity if they buy the notion that someone can change their mind about their gender identity because a 6th grade teacher mentioned something about transgenderism.

The resigning GOP congresswoman was correct. TG is ~1% of the population and they are innocuos. Whatever they are doing has no effect on anyone but themselves, and possibly their family and friends, which is no one else's business.
 
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trenchfoot

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It's the politicizing of these issues that gets to me and a lot of it gets initiated by the churches. Our conservative politicians and many fundamentalist clergy are joining hand in hand, each exploiting the other for their own reasons, both wanting to increase their memberships while knowing they are turning more people away from them than they are attracting.

It's part of the reason why educated reasonable people are seeing how the Repub Party is insulating and isolating itself away from the general population as a whole, exacerbating it all by having the oligarchs of the nation controlling the agenda of the party of which their corporatist overlords are purely greed-driven.

The more the GOP promote hate and fear, the more they become exclusive from the demographics they project their hate and fear against. The party is choking itself to death by being exclusive of the increasing majority of the people of the nation and it seems the party can't help itself for being that way.

It seems the only problem the Repubs are actively working on is how to win national elections with only ~40% of the electorate.
 

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In my opinion people who are jacked up about sexual issues are so because they feel sexually unattractive themselves and jealous that others are found attractive despite orientation. They hate themselves and have nothing but the comfort of traditional opinions of normalcy they imagine they fit to comfort them and to give them targets on which to dump that self hate.
 

Jaskalas

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I will ever be of the opinion that one should not take the mental illness of dysphoria and use it to promote self harm through the mutilation and bodily harm that hormone blockers and affirmation surgeries are. I cannot imagine any answer is correct other than taking someone who is distraught and for us to try to reinforce and support their love for themselves, for who they are, as they were born. To support who they were born as and not to try and change them. If Sex and Gender are not the same exact thing, and Gender is some social construct, then we are trying to alter people to adhere to some made up societal standard. That is wrong.

We should teach and help people to embrace their bodies, their sex. Instead you have aimed for the total opposite and I cannot endorse that approach.

This opposition need not be born out of hate though. There is no hate in saying people should learn to love themselves. It is genuine concern and disagreement. When we cross paths I treat them civil, and unless pressed for opinion then they would not know or hear my thoughts on the matter. Any who would assault those suffering from dysphoria should answer for crimes.

I would implore you to understand that we can approach this issue with love and apparently arrive at different conclusions. Not everything that is different is Republican hate.
 

skyking

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Neither are all things that are misguided. The trans people that I know are happy now, after transitioning. They were miserable before.
 

ElMonoDelMar

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I will ever be of the opinion that one should not take the mental illness of dysphoria and use it to promote self harm through the mutilation and bodily harm that hormone blockers and affirmation surgeries are. I cannot imagine any answer is correct other than taking someone who is distraught and for us to try to reinforce and support their love for themselves, for who they are, as they were born. To support who they were born as and not to try and change them. If Sex and Gender are not the same exact thing, and Gender is some social construct, then we are trying to alter people to adhere to some made up societal standard. That is wrong.

We should teach and help people to embrace their bodies, their sex. Instead you have aimed for the total opposite and I cannot endorse that approach.

This opposition need not be born out of hate though. There is no hate in saying people should learn to love themselves. It is genuine concern and disagreement. When we cross paths I treat them civil, and unless pressed for opinion then they would not know or hear my thoughts on the matter. Any who would assault those suffering from dysphoria should answer for crimes.

I would implore you to understand that we can approach this issue with love and apparently arrive at different conclusions. Not everything that is different is Republican hate.

In your case it appears you suffer from republican hubris rather than republican hate. Still bad, just not as bad.
 

kitkat22

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Here is another slew of journal articles beautifully spelled out for those who believe there is no science to support the existence of transgender individuals. This involved a 30 second google search. It comes from Cornell University. Ya know, one of those Ivy League schools. Has a medical school attached and does a lot of primary research. Just sayin'.


I ranting because there is a lot of state legislators out there trying to pass anti-trans bills and claim there is no evidence. There are 100s of articles. They just choose to ignore them because "think of the children!"
 

nakedfrog

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I will ever be of the opinion that one should not take the mental illness of dysphoria and use it to promote self harm through the mutilation and bodily harm that hormone blockers and affirmation surgeries are. I cannot imagine any answer is correct other than taking someone who is distraught and for us to try to reinforce and support their love for themselves, for who they are, as they were born. To support who they were born as and not to try and change them. If Sex and Gender are not the same exact thing, and Gender is some social construct, then we are trying to alter people to adhere to some made up societal standard. That is wrong.

We should teach and help people to embrace their bodies, their sex. Instead you have aimed for the total opposite and I cannot endorse that approach.

This opposition need not be born out of hate though. There is no hate in saying people should learn to love themselves. It is genuine concern and disagreement. When we cross paths I treat them civil, and unless pressed for opinion then they would not know or hear my thoughts on the matter. Any who would assault those suffering from dysphoria should answer for crimes.

I would implore you to understand that we can approach this issue with love and apparently arrive at different conclusions. Not everything that is different is Republican hate.
You're advocating for conversion therapy, essentially. It doesn't work.
You managed to logic your way out of climate change denialism, I hope you can logic yourself out of this one too.
If you'd like to be logically consistent, you also need to be against all cosmetic procedures--people altering themselves to adhere to some made up societal standard. If you're not, please explain the difference, why a breast augmentation is fine and not self-harm/mutilation, but a trans man having their breasts removed is mutilation.
 

nakedfrog

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Hm, let's take a look at the author, Dr. David Gortler. Is that the same Dr. David Gortler from The Heartland Institute, and the same one who also writes for The Federalist? Ted Cruz's healthcare policy advisor for his 2016 run? He's casually dismissing all intersex people and pointing only towards "true hermaphroditism" to discount the existence of trans people? Gosh, yes, please do tell me about this "crisis of scientific legitimacy", Dr. Gortler. I guess those other DSD conditions just don't exist because they could be damaging to the scientific legitimacy of his op-ed?
 

kitkat22

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Hm, let's take a look at the author, Dr. David Gortler. Is that the same Dr. David Gortler from The Heartland Institute, and the same one who also writes for The Federalist? Ted Cruz's healthcare policy advisor for his 2016 run? He's casually dismissing all intersex people and pointing only towards "true hermaphroditism" to discount the existence of trans people? Gosh, yes, please do tell me about this "crisis of scientific legitimacy", Dr. Gortler. I guess those other DSD conditions just don't exist because they could be damaging to the scientific legitimacy of his op-ed?

Why yes, yes it is. :/ But it doesn't take an FDA pharmacologist to understand the simplicity of DNA/genetics. </sarcasm>
 

brycejones

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I will ever be of the opinion that one should not take the mental illness of dysphoria and use it to promote self harm through the mutilation and bodily harm that hormone blockers and affirmation surgeries are. I cannot imagine any answer is correct other than taking someone who is distraught and for us to try to reinforce and support their love for themselves, for who they are, as they were born. To support who they were born as and not to try and change them. If Sex and Gender are not the same exact thing, and Gender is some social construct, then we are trying to alter people to adhere to some made up societal standard. That is wrong.

We should teach and help people to embrace their bodies, their sex. Instead you have aimed for the total opposite and I cannot endorse that approach.

This opposition need not be born out of hate though. There is no hate in saying people should learn to love themselves. It is genuine concern and disagreement. When we cross paths I treat them civil, and unless pressed for opinion then they would not know or hear my thoughts on the matter. Any who would assault those suffering from dysphoria should answer for crimes.

I would implore you to understand that we can approach this issue with love and apparently arrive at different conclusions. Not everything that is different is Republican hate.
You may not hate but you appear to be extremely and willfully ignorant based on the interactions I know you've had on this very forum.
 

kitkat22

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I will ever be of the opinion that one should not take the mental illness of dysphoria and use it to promote self harm through the mutilation and bodily harm that hormone blockers and affirmation surgeries are. I cannot imagine any answer is correct other than taking someone who is distraught and for us to try to reinforce and support their love for themselves, for who they are, as they were born. To support who they were born as and not to try and change them. If Sex and Gender are not the same exact thing, and Gender is some social construct, then we are trying to alter people to adhere to some made up societal standard. That is wrong.

We should teach and help people to embrace their bodies, their sex. Instead you have aimed for the total opposite and I cannot endorse that approach.

This opposition need not be born out of hate though. There is no hate in saying people should learn to love themselves. It is genuine concern and disagreement. When we cross paths I treat them civil, and unless pressed for opinion then they would not know or hear my thoughts on the matter. Any who would assault those suffering from dysphoria should answer for crimes.

I would implore you to understand that we can approach this issue with love and apparently arrive at different conclusions. Not everything that is different is Republican hate.

Let's start with the mental illness that people throw around and I will start with some basic medical concepts. BTW, you do know I am a doctor, correct? Yes, a transgender doctor and before you get carried away with the freakout, I am considered one of the best hospitalists in the region. I do indeed teach medical students. I was preceptor of the year last year. I also am part of several committees including clinical documentation integrity, sepsis steering committee and a transgender focused committee working on education of medical providers.

That education includes working and teaching people about the pitfall of claiming gender dysphoria is a mental illness. One of my biggest frustrations in the medical world is the concept that mental and physical illnesses are distinct and separate. They are not. If mental illness is indeed distinct and separate, why do we then use medications, which affect the body, to treat the mind? Whenever I treat a stroke patient, not only are there physical impairments such as hemiplegia or facial droop, but personality changes as well? Autism is considered a psychiatric illness, but there are clearly familial ties, of which, my family and extended family are clear examples. What about schizophrenia or bipolar? Yep, there are genetic and physical/medical associations there, too. Same concept, why do we use medications to treat these conditions when they are supposedly all mental?

You are locking yourself into inductive bias which claims the simplest answer is the most correct. It's not. It follows the same notion that sex is simply to look at the genitals at birth and understand the complexity of the genetics that led there. For the vast majority of the world population, XX/XY --> female/male is true. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I'm not trying to break down this construct. However, you also need to understand that that equation is not always true. There are indeed XX/XY ---> male/female. There is also XXY, XO, XXYY, XXXYYY, XO/XY - females. Just looking briefly at a list of disorders of sexual development should make you realize there are tons of variations of how men and women clinically manifest. For example, I have the genetics of an intersex individual. Put simply, I have a mutation of FGFR1 which can lead to complete sex reversal. I wasn't born intersex, however. I also know someone personally who is XY - female who has the SOX9 gene completely reversed. These individuals at birth would be considered female and may or may not be considered intersex until puberty. What about the condition in the domincan republic called guevedoce? This is a mutation in 5-alpha reductase. basically, these individuals are born female and at the age of puberty transition to male, by no other outside forces. It occurs so frequently in the DR, 1 in 90 males, that it is part of the culture.

Before I conclude, I will add there are various reasons for someone to have gender dysphoria and it is not just limited to genetics. Genetics do play a role, but it isn't the only one. I very clearly see in medicine situations where gender dysphoria is a manifestation of abuse or anxiety. It is a coping mechanism for self-protection. We see very clearly, there are associations with autism. The theory behind this is people with autism are resistant to change and puberty is clearly significant change. There is also a peer pressure for some kids to have gender dysphoria as well. Consider the whole class in the south who all of a sudden claimed they had GD.

Gender affirmation care is not, and I repeat, is not just to lead children to surgery or hormones. It is a multidisciplinary approach to assisting parents and children find the best path forward. Sometimes all it takes is counseling. Maybe, in the midst of workup, we do find there are genetics associated with intersex conditions. These children will more likely be watched closer and considered for puberty suppression and later for surgery depending on how they grow and the decision of their parents in conjunction with the child. The goal is to perform the least invasive interventions on anyone. It has always been that way in medicine and will still continue that way.

Forgot to add, your confirmation bias is showing.
 
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HomerJS

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Stephanie Rhule owns the Gov of West Va for fomenting trans hysteria while slapping him with his own failures.
 
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