Opinion Piece on Social Policies

[Jaydip]

I'm still sour on JFAMD only because to me that just made me relive the whole Rollo situation. I saw forum posters attacking each other and using JFAMD's post as source material to justify the claims.

In th end JFAMD decieved us all (again, intent - I won't argue) and in my opinion it hurt the community more than his participation ever helped. EDIT: You still see the reprecussions now. Someone will say something and someone will dismiss their opinion because they used JFAMD's posts as source material, even though that person was decieved as well.

I'd rather he had remained anonymous so that he would have just been disregarded as a loud-mout fanboy. It's once he said he worked for AMD that people put weight on his posts.

I think this is one of the benefits of being anonymous has. And, I do realize - it's a double edged sword, there will be people ready to abuse it. It's the communities job to filter those people out.

JFAMD made a mistake whats so hard about it?Likewise GTX 480 was a mistake as the performance was not up to NV's own expectations.Sometimes engineers can't control the outcome as there are so many things that's beyond their control.

 

[Lonyo]

You'll find the most of those on the CPU board if you go back to near the release of BD. Tons of "I get just as good framerate with my BD as the fastest intel chip, so BD is as good as the best intel chip" posts. Sure, you've measured your video card and not your cpu, dork. You could get that same fps with that video card with a $100 intel proc instead of the $1000 intel proc as well.

You probably won't find it on the video card forum because AMD doesn't have an objectively bad product on that side (and hasn't for many, many years). Nvidia and AMD/ATI have leap frogged one another for the last 3 or 4 generations consistently. There is no need to be misleading to promote, there.

AMD vs Intel though... That's where you see the bizarre claims. First it was the claims that they were just as good, then there were a ton of brand new regs that were posting and magically all of them used their PC's 24x7 to encode video and compress files and never do anything else and asked for cpu advice.

People are AMD shills because they spout the exact same thing that NV spout? (NV had a marketing push on building a balanced PC, 'good enough' CPU + good GPU, rather than very good CPU and poor GPU.

Of course, AMD CPUs are actually pretty competitive with Intel when it's price vs price.
Where they suck is on power consumption at that performance, and at overclocking, and at single threaded performance compared to Intel (but it's still typically "good enough".

What you could say is that apart from those people who are saying AMD is fine, EVERYONE ELSE is an Intel shill, because they push Intel over AMD where it may have little to no benefit per cost to the user asking for the recommendation.
Intel CPUs are far far far better, but they aren't necessary or necessarily better for a given person with a given budget assuming they are just a bog standard user who isn't overclocking.
Those you call AMD people in the CPU forum are basically... regular people. Because AMD vs Intel doesn't really matter for regular people.

(This is ignoring the encode/compress people, because I have never seen them myself in the CPU forum. I have seen the "AMD is fine/I get just as good framerate" people though, so I am commenting on them.)

 

[railven]

To be fair, he was just relaying information that is being passed onto him from his engineers. You can find JFAMD's posts... post-BD release.

Although he made it clear that he is an AMD employee, he did in his own time. AMD did not pay him for his posts made here...

JFAMD made a mistake whats so hard about it?Likewise GTX 480 was a mistake as the performance was not up to NV's own expectations.Sometimes engineers can't control the outcome as there are so many things that's beyond their control.

Since these two tie together - this is where we get into intent. I've said in my posts that I understand he was only saying what he was told. It's unfortunate that we most often shoot the messenger for the message, and that is just how it played out in my head.

Someone quoted it here "I never lie." Whether he was lying to us out right or unbeknowst to himself, in the end his credibility was shot. And the people who invested on the information he was relaying were affected negatively. That, to me, isn't how your employees should be interacting with the consumers.

 

[Ferzerp]

To be fair, he was just relaying information that is being passed onto him from his engineers. You can find JFAMD's posts... post-BD release.

Although he made it clear that he is an AMD employee, he did in his own time. AMD did not pay him for his posts made here...

He also accused anyone who questioned his false information as being a potential Intel shill. Someone's already linked to that claim in this thread.

 

[Jaydip]

He also accused anyone who questioned his false information as being a potential Intel shill. Someone's already linked to that claim in this thread.

Yeah i saw that.He probably lost his patience but it was still very unprofessional.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Here is the bulldozer blog on OCN, great read imo.

http://www.overclock.net/t/791495/the-bulldozer-blog-is-live/0_100

 

[blackened23]

I think this discussion is getting counter productive.During this time i have probably blamed many innocent posters for being associated with AMD marketing and not identifying themselves.I think we should stop this mud slinging.

Well there you have it. I don't have anything to do with AMD other than using their products, Apoppin can believe i'm an AMD marketer or whatever if he wants He also accused many others here without an ounce of proof other than them saying something negative about nvidia or positive about AMD. Instead of the WTICH HUNT -- If they have proof, provide it, if they want AMD to take action, please forward the relevant information to AMD and let AMD do whatever they do, otherwise start acting like a professional reviewer again. Simple as that.

You seem to want the mud slinging to end and thats commendable, again: (and this isn't directed at you, sorry if it comes across like that - just the editors at that site in general)

1) provide proof if you think someones a shill
2) forward the relevant info or posters to AMD for them to take action on their supposed "employees"
3) stop the mud slinging with calling everyone shills.
4) start acting like a professional managing editor and stop throwing out wild accusations and insults left and right. You don't see Ryan smith, Kyle Bennet, or Brent Price act like idiots on their own respective forums.

 

[blckgrffn]

Well there you have it. I don't have anything to do with AMD other than using their products, Apoppin can believe i'm an AMD marketer or whatever if he wants He also accused many others here without an ounce of proof other than them saying something negative about nvidia or positive about AMD. Witch hunt, PERIOD. The continued overzealous crusade can continue and I don't care. If he has proof, provide it, if he wants AMD to take action, please forward the relevant information to AMD and let AMD do whatever they do, otherwise S T F U and start acting like a professional reviewer again. Simple as that.

You seem to want the mud slinging to end and thats commendable, again: (and this isn't directed at you, sorry if it comes across like that - just the editors at that site in general)

1) provide proof if you think someones a shill
2) forward the relevant info or posters to AMD for them to take action on their supposed "employees"
3) stop the mud slinging with calling everyone shills.
4) start acting like a professional managing editor and stop throwing out wild accusations and insults left and right. You don't see Ryan smith, Kyle Bennet, or Brent Price act like idiots on their own respective forums.

Kyle? Really?

I am pretty sure I have. [H] Kyle, right?

Anyway, I agree with the gist of your post.

 

[Arzachel]

JFAMD made a mistake whats so hard about it?Likewise GTX 480 was a mistake as the performance was not up to NV's own expectations.Sometimes engineers can't control the outcome as there are so many things that's beyond their control.

This. I wasn't a fan of how BD turned out to say the least, but the amounts of anger directed at JFAMD was stupid.

 

[Ferzerp]

This. I wasn't a fan of how BD turned out to say the least, but the amounts of anger directed at JFAMD was stupid.

Is it really just a mistake to claim that anyone questioning your statements are trying to undermine your company and must be paid by your competition? Especially when the "facts" you are stating are pure fabrications with no real basis in reality?

He got off easy with just a shunning

 

[Lonbjerg]

One thing is funny though..it's the same usual "suspects" that rally to counter negative remarks about AMD...the company...we are not even talking about their hardware here...your actions make his claim more valid...ever thought of that? :whiste:

 

[blckgrffn]

One thing is funny though..it's the same usual "suspects" that rally to counter negative remarks about AMD...the company...we are not even talking about their hardware here...your actions make his claim more valid...ever thought of that? :whiste:

Seriously. That is what you are getting out of this?

Isn't this the same crowd that actively participates in this forum on a regular basis?

 

[Arzachel]

Is it really just a mistake to claim that anyone questioning your statements are trying to undermine your company and must be paid by your competition? Especially when the "facts" you are stating are pure fabrications with no real basis in reality?

He got off easy with just a shunning

Except that you can't say that he didn't believe what he was arguing for. I'm betting everyone at AMD expected Bulldozer to to better than it did. Also there are no way to know that people disagreeing with him had some insider knowledge or were just broken clocks. I'll give you that calling someone out for shilling was highly unprofessional of him, though.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

One thing is funny though..it's the same usual "suspects" that rally to counter negative remarks about AMD...the company...we are not even talking about their hardware here...your actions make his claim more valid...ever thought of that? :whiste:

 

[Lonyo]

One thing is funny though..it's the same usual "suspects" that rally to counter negative remarks about AMD...the company...we are not even talking about their hardware here...your actions make his claim more valid...ever thought of that? :whiste:

Equally it's the same "usual suspects" who try and argue for his comments... which make them less valid.
Ever thought of that?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

How exactly does that make them less valid? lol nm, "usual suspect".

 

[blckgrffn]

How exactly does that make them less valid? lol nm, "usual suspect".

I guess that does work both ways.

So only people who haven't commented on this in the past are allowed to discuss it now.

:thumbsup:

 

[Lonbjerg]

So I ask if peole have consider an outcome..and I need to be pointed at?

Thanks for confirming my point...I rest my case.

 

[Ferzerp]

Except that you can't say that he didn't believe what he was arguing for. I'm betting everyone at AMD expected Bulldozer to to better than it did. Also there are no way to know that people disagreeing with him had some insider knowledge or were just broken clocks. I'll give you that calling someone out for shilling was highly unprofessional of him, though.

So, as long as I am ignorant of the truth, I can make any claim that I desire with no repercussion?

His statements were made completely without ambiguity. It was not "we expect this". Instead it was "this *is* the case" and it was not. It was not made as a forward looking statement. He claimed to possess knowledge of the performance that he just did not possess. When representing a company, there is a very distict difference between the two.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I guess that does work both ways.

So only people who haven't commented on this in the past are allowed to discuss it now.

:thumbsup:

I haven't actually discussed the topic, can I start now without being labeled a shill?

 

[blckgrffn]

So I ask if peole have consider an outcome..and I need to be pointed at?

Thanks for confirming my point...I rest my case.

Who pointed at you? I am not seeing it.

I haven't actually discussed the topic, can I start now without being labeled a shill?

Ha! Well, then, by all means (I do, in fact, make all the rules here!)

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I haven't actually read it over tbh, I'd rather continue to assume I'm talking with fans and enthusiasts.

It's a scary thought to think there are people at places I go to for advice who may be giving me half truths to sell a product they're affiliated with.

If there is any chance that is happened I personally would like to know, no matter what company/product is being pushed.

I'm not backing up what he said only stating that if there is any truth to the claim further investigation should be taken, that's only common sense and logical reason.

 

[Arzachel]

One thing is funny though..it's the same usual "suspects" that rally to counter negative remarks about AMD...the company...we are not even talking about their hardware here...your actions make his claim more valid...ever thought of that? :whiste:

And we've gone straight off the cliff called conspiracy theories.

You see, those posters discussing here are all very suspicious, because they must have come to defend their employer - AMD. Those who haven't commented here are even more suspicious because they clearly lay low to avod getting found out! And the most suspicious suspect of them all is none other than Keys! No one would suspect a guy with a Nvidia focus group sig to work for AMD, right? Well that's just what he wants you to think! ...Wait, I've posted in this thread before... stay away from me, I might be working for AMD without knowing it!

Do I get my honorary tinfoil hat now?

 

[Arzachel]

So, as long as I am ignorant of the truth, I can make any claim that I desire with no repercussion?

His statements were made completely without ambiguity. It was not "we expect this". Instead it was "this *is* the case" and it was not. It was not made as a forward looking statement. He claimed to possess knowledge of the performance that he just did not possess. When representing a company, there is a very distict difference between the two.

That's the thing, he didn't post representing his company, he posted his opinion, just like me and you. And his opinion was based on what engineers had told him.

 

[Ferzerp]

Posting openly as a director level employee in marketing for a company, you're always representing that company. You can't pick and choose based on when you are right and wrong when you are representing them. *Especially* when you are making claims about the performance of that company's product.


edit: You've read the bit about him talking about having to counter the leaks to customers right? When he made those same claims to customers, was he also just making statements as himself as an individual and not representing AMD?