Operators: Nokia would sell better with Android

[poofyhairguy]

Nokia's handsets would sell better if they ran Android and not Windows Phone, mobile operators have said.

The Nokia Lumia isn't good enough to compete with Android rivals or the Apple iPhone, according to four European mobile operators interviewed by the Reuters news agency.

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/374125/operators-nokia-would-sell-better-with-android#ixzz1sND5cJYZ

 

[preslove]

No duh. The WP7 alliance was the death knell for Nokia. If they had android on the sexy Lumia line they would be selling like hotcakes. I'd love to own either an 800 or 900, but have no desire to get a phone with a dead end OS.

 

[Ravynmagi]

Seems like this could be a good thing for Nokia, it just needs more time. Windows 8 is coming, it's about to bring the Metro experience to a new world of desktop users. I think this might be an opportunity for Windows Phone after people start experiencing Metro and getting used to it.

 

[Red Storm]

Nokia can only blame themselves. They took the ~$250 million bribe (or whatever the amount was) and have now dug their own grave. Shame, they could have made some very nice Android phones.

 

[Dulanic]

If Win8 somehow has a strong showing and has a great mobile to tablet to desktop integration... then maybe just maybe Nokia made the best bet of their life? Of course the odds of what I just said becomming reality... well nearly 0.

 

[Red Storm]

If Win8 somehow has a strong showing and has a great mobile to tablet to desktop integration... then maybe just maybe Nokia made the best bet of their life? Of course the odds of what I just said becomming reality... well nearly 0.

They could have just made phones for both MS and Google. Instead they put all their eggs into one basket. If MS's strategy (somehow) kicks off, then sure they would profit, but they could have been doing that and making Android phones.

 

[Jodell88]

They should have stuck with Meego.

 

[WelshBloke]

If Win8 somehow has a strong showing and has a great mobile to tablet to desktop integration... then maybe just maybe Nokia made the best bet of their life? Of course the odds of what I just said becomming reality... well nearly 0.

Theres quite a lot of integration via the cloud for iOS and Android already, I'm not sure theres a vast amount more to sync.

 

[WelshBloke]

No duh. The WP7 alliance was the death knell for Nokia. If they had android on the sexy Lumia line they would be selling like hotcakes. I'd love to own either an 800 or 900, but have no desire to get a phone with a dead end OS.

Mind you theres a lot more competition in the Android world.

Saying that, if the Lumia 800 had comparable hardware with the SGS2 I'd have jumped on it.

 

[dguy6789]

I've never been that impressed with the Lumia line to be quite honest. The Titan 2 seems way better than the Lumia 900 to me no contest what so ever.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

I've never been that impressed with the Lumia line to be quite honest. The Titan 2 seems way better than the Lumia 900 to me no contest what so ever.

The screen on the Titans are pretty terrible compared to the Super Amoled Plus display in the Lumia 900.

 

[dguy6789]

Larger screen even if it's not amoled, better camera, aluminium instead of plastic does it for me

 

[WelshBloke]

Larger screen even if it's not amoled, better camera, aluminium instead of plastic does it for me

I'd definitely rather have a polycarbonate case (or whatever the lumia is made from) than aluminium.

 

[Pia]

Theres quite a lot of integration via the cloud for iOS and Android already, I'm not sure theres a vast amount more to sync.

I just bought my first Android phone, and setting it up has not felt like an integrated experience. Microsoft could do a lot better.

After Win8, everyone is going to have an account with Microsoft for app store, Skydrive etc. Internet Explorer is still the most common web browser. A ton of people are using Outlook for their email. Many more are using free email from Microsoft. Many are using Windows Media Player for media. And so on.

If Microsoft plays its cards right, a lot of people can just attach a new phone to their Windows computer once, and never have to manually install or setup anything.

 

[WelshBloke]

I just bought my first Android phone, and setting it up has not felt like an integrated experience. Microsoft could do a lot better.

After Win8, everyone is going to have an account with Microsoft for app store, Skydrive etc. Internet Explorer is still the most common web browser. A ton of people are using Outlook for their email. Many more are using free email from Microsoft. Many are using Windows Media Player for media. And so on.

If Microsoft plays its cards right, a lot of people can just attach a new phone to their Windows computer once, and never have to manually install or setup anything.

It all depends on what services you use. If your coming into it fresh then Android will sync pretty much everything for you. Email, pictures, video, music etc... The problem is everyone is signed up with competing services. Like you implied if you only use Microsoft services then, yes winpho8 may be better integrated, likewise for android and Google services.

 

[QueBert]

What MS screwed up big time was not getting enough manufacturer and not getting the ones that do to make more handsets. At least half of the people I know with Android phones don't even know what Android is. They went to the Sprint, Verizon, AT&T store and Android won out because 90% of the handsets on display were Android based. I'm not saying WP7 would be #2 if they had a ton more handsets. But imho if the Verizon stores had an equal number of Android & WP7 devices, WP7 would be doing a lot better. If Android had released as few phones as WP7 has so far, Android would have been on life support too.

It's almost like MS wants WP7 to fail.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

What MS screwed up big time was not getting enough manufacturer and not getting the ones that do to make more handsets. At least half of the people I know with Android phones don't even know what Android is. They went to the Sprint, Verizon, AT&T store and Android won out because 90% of the handsets on display were Android based. I'm not saying WP7 would be #2 if they had a ton more handsets. But imho if the Verizon stores had an equal number of Android & WP7 devices, WP7 would be doing a lot better. If Android had released as few phones as WP7 has so far, Android would have been on life support too.

It's almost like MS wants WP7 to fail.

The two biggest Android OEM's both make Windows Phones and Dell even made some for a while. The problem is Microsoft ensured that no one can make a WP7 device that stands out. Why bother releasing a bunch of different models if they will all have 1.4ghz Snapdragons and 800x480 screens.

I just bought my first Android phone, and setting it up has not felt like an integrated experience. Microsoft could do a lot better.

After Win8, everyone is going to have an account with Microsoft for app store, Skydrive etc. Internet Explorer is still the most common web browser. A ton of people are using Outlook for their email. Many more are using free email from Microsoft. Many are using Windows Media Player for media. And so on.

If Microsoft plays its cards right, a lot of people can just attach a new phone to their Windows computer once, and never have to manually install or setup anything.

Considering Windows 8 is already more hated than Vista was I wouldn't count on it being WP8's savior.

 

[Pia]

It all depends on what services you use. If your coming into it fresh then Android will sync pretty much everything for you. Email, pictures, video, music etc... The problem is everyone is signed up with competing services.

Everyone already has some kind of email so "fresh" is out of the question.

I'm not aware of a standard Android way for syncing pictures, video and music which you already have on your computer, unless you count manually copying individual files via USB/MTP. Samsung offers some app that apparently does some kind of syncing but obviously that is manufacturer specific instead of common to Android devices. Plus you have to install that app (I haven't bothered yet), which Microsoft can avoid because Microsoft owns Windows. I don't see a way to sync the bookmarks of my phone's browser with any desktop browser. I'm sure you can set up Android to sync pretty much anything but it is far from automatic and it looks like you need several services and sign-ups to get everything done.

Like you implied if you only use Microsoft services then, yes winpho8 may be better integrated, likewise for android and Google services.

I didn't say anything about only using Microsoft services. The point is far more people use Microsoft services, Microsoft's apps and Microsoft's operating system on average. The percentage of stuff Microsoft can automatically fix for the average user, compared to the percentage of stuff Google can, is a lot higher.

 

[MaxFusion16]

give it time, windows phone will mature, you guys are comparing the first iteration of an OS to a mature one in its 4th major iteration.

microsoft's got the cash to burn, it's gonna be a war of attrition, look at the xbox.

google might just offer microsoft the chance by making their own branded phones.

 

[MaxFusion16]

They could have just made phones for both MS and Google. Instead they put all their eggs into one basket. If MS's strategy (somehow) kicks off, then sure they would profit, but they could have been doing that and making Android phones.

resources....something about them being limited....

key word is focus, back one system and make it damn good.

besides, i'm sure microsoft made them an offer they can't refuse.

 

[Pia]

Considering Windows 8 is already more hated than Vista was I wouldn't count on it being WP8's savior.

Microsoft already has a better position to make syncing really effortless than anyone else. Win8 just adds to that.

 

[ponyo]

Everyone already has some kind of email so "fresh" is out of the question.

I'm not aware of a standard Android way for syncing pictures, video and music which you already have on your computer, unless you count manually copying individual files via USB/MTP. Samsung offers some app that apparently does some kind of syncing but obviously that is manufacturer specific instead of common to Android devices. Plus you have to install that app (I haven't bothered yet), which Microsoft can avoid because Microsoft owns Windows. I don't see a way to sync the bookmarks of my phone's browser with any desktop browser. I'm sure you can set up Android to sync pretty much anything but it is far from automatic and it looks like you need several services and sign-ups to get everything done.
I didn't say anything about only using Microsoft services. The point is far more people use Microsoft services, Microsoft's apps and Microsoft's operating system on average. The percentage of stuff Microsoft can automatically fix for the average user, compared to the percentage of stuff Google can, is a lot higher.

You can sync videos, pictures, music you have on your computer to Android phone using Windows Media Player on Win7. Or you can automatically sync your pictures to your computer using Google+ or Dropbox. Or just upload it Google Picasa and it will also sync with your phone. For music, sync it with Google Music. Videos I stream directly from my home server using SMB shares since I can't keep terabyte of movies on my phone.

Chrome syncs all my desktop, tablet, and phone browsers and bookmarks and I can even view any opened tabs across all devices. Google syncs all my contacts, email, text messages, calendar, etc.

 

[Bateluer]

Guys, put yourself into the sales person's shoes. How would you convince someone to buy a Lumina 900 over an SGS2, for example. You can't push the Lumina's processing power, because it doesn't have it. You can't push the Lumina's app store, because it pretty much doesn't have one. You can't push accessories, because it doesn't do near the volume as iDevices or Android devices. You'd have a hard time pushing the UI because, at best, its usability is subjective and someone isn't going to get a feel for it in 5 minutes. You can't sell it on price, because its 100 bucks on contract, and contract pricing is identical among all smartphones on a given carrier.

An SGS2 or HTC One X can sell themselves. They have large, beautiful screens, fast CPUs, multiple app stores with a few hundred thousand apps for every possible need or desire, ultra fast network speeds, and with a little bargain hunting, its easy to beat the Lumina 900's 99 dollar price.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Guys, put yourself into the sales person's shoes. How would you convince someone to buy a Lumina 900 over an SGS2, for example. You can't push the Lumina's processing power, because it doesn't have it. You can't push the Lumina's app store, because it pretty much doesn't have one. You can't push accessories, because it doesn't do near the volume as iDevices or Android devices. You'd have a hard time pushing the UI because, at best, its usability is subjective and someone isn't going to get a feel for it in 5 minutes. You can't sell it on price, because its 100 bucks on contract, and contract pricing is identical among all smartphones on a given carrier.

An SGS2 or HTC One X can sell themselves. They have large, beautiful screens, fast CPUs, multiple app stores with a few hundred thousand apps for every possible need or desire, ultra fast network speeds, and with a little bargain hunting, its easy to beat the Lumina 900's 99 dollar price.

Lumia 900 has a large beautiful screen if you use the same selling point on an SGS2

You can sell based on ease of use. It's pretty easy to make Android look bad or ANY platform look bad. You pretty much did it making WP7 look bad. Any salesman decently capable enough can spin the sale to make Android look bad:

- Oh look it needs dual core to even load webpages and scroll smoothly. Waste of power.
- WP7 is easy to use. Fast access to people, sharing, windows phone challenge shows how FAST it is to do stuff.
- Same gorgeous 4.3" or 4.7" screen. There are only a few HD devices on Android anyway. Not everyone is paying attention to the few phones out there.
- Dedicated camera button
- Support in store just like Apple.
- Android is choppy. Waits forever for ICS.
- Lagfest. To quote Quebert "Even the lag was laggy."

 

[iahk]

Guys, put yourself into the sales person's shoes. How would you convince someone to buy a Lumina 900 over an SGS2, for example. You can't push the Lumina's processing power, because it doesn't have it. You can't push the Lumina's app store, because it pretty much doesn't have one. You can't push accessories, because it doesn't do near the volume as iDevices or Android devices. You'd have a hard time pushing the UI because, at best, its usability is subjective and someone isn't going to get a feel for it in 5 minutes. You can't sell it on price, because its 100 bucks on contract, and contract pricing is identical among all smartphones on a given carrier.

An SGS2 or HTC One X can sell themselves. They have large, beautiful screens, fast CPUs, multiple app stores with a few hundred thousand apps for every possible need or desire, ultra fast network speeds, and with a little bargain hunting, its easy to beat the Lumina 900's 99 dollar price.

The Nokia Chevy Lumina.