Operation Flashpoint, the new gold standard

GodMode

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Medal of Honor is cool, I just completed it after picking up a demo disk at EB.

But, most of the people in this thread talking about RCW and Medal of Honor are totaly missing the boat.

Along with the free Medal of Honor demo disk, I picked up a copy of Operation Flashpoint this weekend. It destroys Medal of Honor, along with every other military themed FPS game ever made. No hyperbole, it's just plain superior. I almost missed the boat on this game, I hope you guys don't make this misstake.

IMHO, Operation flashpoint has been badmouthed by a very small number of gamers who have inferior systems that simply can't handle these new games the way they "want" to be played-- with max settings.

Also, OF is not for people who suck at games. It is a challenge, I agree. It's a challenge in exactly the same way that war is a challenge. Make a stupid move, expose yourself without checking the angles with your binoculers, and you will die fast. Unlike most other FPS games, the AI is very good, and does not cheat to make itself appear smarter than it actually is. If you are spotted by a squad, and run back into a forest to hide, the enemy may send a patrol after you, but the patrol has to "reaquire" you to hunt you down, assuming they have lost line of sight. In most other FPS games, once the monster "locks-on", it will make a V-line for you even when it cannot see you-- uterly cheating. The OF solution is to use robust AI, it will send a squad after you, and the squad proceeds to systematically work as a team to hunt you down, and regain line of sight using squad hunting techniques like "fanning out". There is nothing scarier than hiding from an enemy who thinks, rather than just "locks-on." I have probably already put in 20 hours of game play, and no matter how carefully I observe, I simply cannot find any examples of AI cheating so obvious in other games in other games.

I played virtually every FPS game of note for the last several years, most recently with Tribes 2, Max Payne, and RTCW (all of which have some awsome features and gameplay). OF has the most gourgeous graphics, if you have the horsepower, of any game I have played-- no one does landscaping and villages like this game. Come across a forest overlooking an enemy base and you will be surrounded not by 20 trees, but by literally hundreds of fully defined trees. You are actually IN a forest. All the elements combine to give a photorealistic effect. The buildings and 3-D objects are mindnumbingly high polygon. You will sit and stare at times, not doing anything but examining the photorealistic details of the enviornment, structures, and vehicles.

Only complaint on graphics is the blocky polygons used for the soldiers weapon hand. This will be the very first visual you see in the game, so don't let it turn you off (as it almost did for me at first). You will soon see that with graphics maxed, this game looks so much better than anything else. I laughed when I saw the PC Gamer review of this game which called the graphics "low polygon." I instantly knew either the reviewer has an outdated system, or he did not know how to adjust the graphics options-- in either case, he killed his credibility very quickly. Anybody who has experience with FPS will take one look at a landscape/village scene in OF will find it impossible to adjust back to inferior engines like counterstrike.

Most games like Medal of Honor demo force you down a pipeline and totaly limit your movement to a small defined area. This saves a good deal of development money, i'm sure.

ON the other hand OF starts you in the middle of a truly vast island, with villages, coastal areas, forests, roads brush, all teaming with life that is generally out to get you. You are left to your own devices to conduct your mission-- literally. You are given a photorealistic compass, watch, map, GPS system. You must plot your own route to your objective, and than figure out how the heck to escape to the evac spot. If you go the "long way" and don't take care watch yourself, you risk running into an enemy patrol, tank, or truck lazily creeping down a country road on their way to a village-- suddenly the situation turns bad.

Unlike Medal of Honor demo, and RTCW, and pretty much every FPS game available, the gameplay is completely open ended and does not treat you like an idiot who has to be lead by the nose. Which is one reason that if you will not like this game if you don't like some thought in your gaming. There are an infinte number of routes and tactics you can use to complete your mission, just like in real war.

That is not to say that this is a high learning curve game. The interface is intuative and very easy to learn if you play FPS games. The depth and complexity of this game comes from the fact that war is complex, and this game is an accurate simulation of war.

One more note, the weapons in this game, and the physics and shotting models are vastly superior and more realistic than anything else available. I just can't imagine how people continue with CS. There is nothing like the rush of sniping an officer from 500 yards with the M21 while you are lying hidden in a forest overlooking an enemy base.

I strongly recommend that anyone buying this game go straight to the single mission play, and load up "sniper team" mission. The "campaign" mode takes some time to truly get going, and has some marginal quality cut sceans that will turn you off at first. A couple to rounds of sniper team is all it will take for you to be thanking me for introducing you to your next obsession.

One more point, some people have critisized the tanks and other vehicles for having twitchy movement. The vehicles in this game are total gravey. It is worth ten times the price even if you never play any of the vehicle missions and stick to infantry combat. Personally, I disagree, however. For example, the jeep drives like a jeep, and I know because I used to have a jeep. It also helps that the tank and vehicle models are stunningly detailed and high poly, and extremely fun to blow up and/or crash.
 

ViperXX

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I got Operation Flashpoint for Christmas (per my request to Santa Claus) and damn I can't get enough of it! I'm up till midnight all week long playing that damn addicting game. If you don't have it go get it!
 

ViperXX

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Oh yeah one more thing, make sure you patch the game to 1.04 (upgrade 4) or you won't have all the fixes like being able to drive and fly with a joystick.
 

DrMoreau

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Nice review GodMode. I agree with most of what you say. I too thought the graphics weren't spectacular until I spent some time configuring my Radeon, now I think they look very nice. I haven't been able to put in twenty hours of game play so I'm still fidgeting with learning the keyboard controls. Your right about it not being too big a learning curve, but it's still a bit more to learn than what I'm personally used to. Did you stick with the default controls or did you reconfigure them, use a joystick, whatever? If you spent anytime reconfiguring the controls to make it more comfortable for yourself perhaps you could add that to your review?

You are right though, it wasn't what I had expected as an FPS but I'm certainly not disapointed in my purchase.
 

GodMode

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the present patch is version 1.4, actually.

talk about addictive. I have not logged onto Dark Age of Cam. since I bought this game, and I will probably just let my account lapse complete with my lvl 36 warrior. Why pay for fun when I can have much more fun for free?
 

GodMode

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The controls are set up mostly like most other FPS games I have played so I have not yet tried to reconfigure. you must use mouse/keys, NOT the joystick.

I do spend some time looking over the contorl options menu, just to make sure I know all the features and things your army man can do. I have not even touched the manual, and just by looking at the keboard options menu, and by playing, I can complete the missions in vetran mode. The key is always to be thinking. I made about 10 futile attempts at the "sniper team" mission before I completed it alive (even had one out of two squad members left alive). When I finally completed it, I found that I survived because I did everything completely logically-- I approached the enemy base from the high ground, in a forest area overlooking the enemy base; I kept a visual on the officers tent in the base, ignoring the numberous other structures vehicles and patrols; I spotted an official looking jeep heading toward the tent, and still held my fire. Finally, I see the jeep stop at the officers tent, and observe 3 officers (my targets) leaving the jeep to enter the tent. Then I finally let lose with the M21, killing all 3 officers, all from about 500 yards. Rather than wait around to pad my kills, I run like heck to the evac spot, ducking from the enemy patrols.

When I looked back at my 10 previous attempts which ended in death, I ALWAYS made an error in judgement. A couple of times I actually tried to invade the base, which worked for a bit, but I ended up always getting cut down before killing all the officers. Another problem was my previous routes brought me too much out in the open, or were too long making it harder to remain hidden, or didn't give me a good angle to see into the base to study my target.

Another stategy which i found that helps a lot is to cut your loses and run if you are in trouble. Don't let the numerous patrols pin you down, when your objective is somewhere else. If you have some cover, and hence a way out of a firefight that is bogging you down, escape, or avoid. If you can get away from their line of sight for a bit, you can escape.
 

vash

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Operation Flashpoint is a lot of fun and I've been playing it since the UK release, sometime last year around July.

Flashpoint isn't a "game" per se, its a "war sim". If you're looking to hop into this title for 5-15 minutes, don't pick up this game. If you want to spend over an hour on single missions, play very patiently and intend to stay alive and not act as rambo the whole time -- then pick up OFP now.

I like a bit of Quake3, OFP, MoH and CS. All are different game and have different feels. When I want to play without thinking too much, Quake3 is loaded. When I want to shoot a lot of bullets and plant some bombs, CS is loaded. When I want to think a lot, work with scripted AI and listen to some good game tracks, MoH is it.

But when I want to spend 5 minutes in prone, crawling, digging up for a RPG round to take out one of the 4 tanks that just wiped my teammates, I start OFP. Some missions in OFP make you really plan well and execute perfectly, or you just die within the few 3 minutes.

I would just like to make this kind of note. If you're really into games like Rainbox 6, then OFP is your title. If you are really into games like CS, don't touch OFP. Its not a COMPLETE rule of thumb, but its pretty close for everyone I have shown both OFP and CS to. More often than not, no one will join me in OFP, but everyone is always down for some CS action.

vash
 

datalink7

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I thought it was one of the best games that I have ever played...

Untill you get to the point where you have to control a bunch of guys in vehicals. The controls were too cumbersom, and made it not nearly as fun. But up till that point it was an awsome experience. They really got the infantry part of the game down as good as it gets.
 

GodMode

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"If you're really into games like Rainbox 6, then OFP is your title. If you are really into games like CS, don't touch OFP. "


I have to disagree a bit. I almost did not buy this game exactly because I didn't like the Rainbow 6 line of games. I was heavy into Q3, tribes2, Max Panye. Not anymore. Realism is where it is at for me for now on. Even if you hate other military themed FPS, you may very well love this game because it breaks through so much of the old FPS gaming luggage.
 

sandorski

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It's been on my "To buy" list ever since playing the demo last Juneish. The maps are truly awesome and the AI will catch you by surprise.
 

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<< The controls are set up mostly like most other FPS games I have played so I have not yet tried to reconfigure. you must use mouse/keys, NOT the joystick.

I do spend some time looking over the contorl options menu, just to make sure I know all the features and things your army man can do. I have not even touched the manual, and just by looking at the keboard options menu, and by playing, I can complete the missions in vetran mode. The key is always to be thinking. I made about 10 futile attempts at the "sniper team" mission before I completed it alive (even had one out of two squad members left alive). When I finally completed it, I found that I survived because I did everything completely logically-- I approached the enemy base from the high ground, in a forest area overlooking the enemy base; I kept a visual on the officers tent in the base, ignoring the numberous other structures vehicles and patrols; I spotted an official looking jeep heading toward the tent, and still held my fire. Finally, I see the jeep stop at the officers tent, and observe 3 officers (my targets) leaving the jeep to enter the tent. Then I finally let lose with the M21, killing all 3 officers, all from about 500 yards. Rather than wait around to pad my kills, I run like heck to the evac spot, ducking from the enemy patrols.
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Next time you choose to be this detailed about a particular mission with any game, please issue a SPOILER WARNING message to those of us who haven't experienced it yet! Thanks!

 

tboo

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I agree, I cant get enough of operation flashpoint-this is the kind of game I have been waiting for since i got my 1st set of toy soldiers.
 

Superself

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Oh, my thoughts on this game is that I think it is the best ever! Being that I have a military background and actually used most of the weapons in the game, I find that all of the weapons are simulated accurately. Not only do you have to lead a running target at 400 meters with the M16, Codemasters have also included the ballistic path in which a M16 bullet travels that distance....which really helps those who know. ;)

I really haven't played another game nearly as much EVER! I love the campaign and stand alone missions. I'd definately recommend a 1GHz or higher system with a pretty good graphics card. If you have a mediocre system, then the graphics won't look as good and the missions with literally hundreds of men in combat will truly put a spotlight on how dated your system really is. I've seen this and it looks very bad.



 

FredLocks

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I'm just getting ready to play the gold upgrade....OF is easily my choice for game of the year. I think commanding the abrams and flying the tomahawks were my favorite aspects of this game. I loved the campaign mission where you had to prevent the general from leaving the Island. I must have played that mission 15 times, and I actually got lucky beating it.
 

thedan

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I liked it but it had problems.

1. Graphics Sucked Serious ass (no biggy)
2. Gameplay tad hard at times.
3. Sometiems Borings (Now run across that forest for 10 real life minutes with no speach or anything, just waiting for enemies (which never came)

thats my opinion, I like ghost recon personally. but thats just me
 

Superself

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<< I liked it but it had problems.

1. Graphics Sucked Serious ass (no biggy)
2. Gameplay tad hard at times.
3. Sometiems Borings (Now run across that forest for 10 real life minutes with no speach or anything, just waiting for enemies (which never came)

thats my opinion, I like ghost recon personally. but thats just me
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...well war is sometimes hard too. Remember, this is a war simulation. Runnning across a forest for 10 minutes looking for enemies that never come is part of a real infantryman's life.
 

GodMode

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"...well war is sometimes hard too. Remember, this is a war simulation. Runnning across a forest for 10 minutes looking for enemies that never come is part of a real infantryman's life. "

Agreed. Part of the beauty of this game is that you have the freedom to make stupid mistakes, like running aimlessly around a forest for ten minutes for enemies that never come. People who have poor systems, or can't handle real world decision making will hate this game. Personally, I'm sick of "lowest common denominator" gaming.
 

AnMig

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Thanks for recomendation.

will give this game a try.

Does it have options to just frag everybody like terrorist hunt in Rougue Spear or is mostly mission based?
 

GodMode

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"Does it have options to just frag everybody like terrorist hunt in Rougue Spear or is mostly mission based? "

It has missions to suit pretty much every taste. Several missions will require you to kill much of the population of an enemy town. Other missions will require you and your squad to hold or take ground. Then you also have the sneaking missions (my favorite) where you have to blow up tanks, an oil depot, or convoy, or assasinate officers.

It also has some huge battle missions also, with 100 + troops and armor on both sides, very impressive to behold if you have a 1 gig + machine.

Also, an expansion pack is already available at the store, or you can download it for 5 pounds off the website.

I tend to stick to the stand alone missions and don't mess with the campaign because I don't like downtime from the cutscenes, and I like to play the mission that I fell like playing at any particular moment.

Haven't touched the campaign editor that is built in yet. But i'm already thinking of making some "escape from hell" type missions.
 

Auric

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It think OFP is prolly the most impressive game made to date. The Quake based games like HL/CS, RTCW, MOH can be fun but they just do not approach realism. If you play RS you should pick up Black Thorn too. The new maps are awesome and the AI has been improved making all tango missions more challenging. They come after you even more :)

Ghost Recon did not strike me as improved enough graphically over RS but I will have to take another look.
 

Spike

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In my opinion, Ghost recon looks better graphically then Operation Flashpoint and even runs smoother, though that may be due to optimization of my Radeon 8500. This is not to slight OFP in anyway. I just bought both games and am having a real hard time sticking to either one. I am down to finishing a mission on one, and then doing a mission on the other. This is really getting time consuming as each game trys to insist on being realistic... so I keep ending up dead!!! :)

Overall, I love both games and am really impressed graphically.
 

Superself

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[qI tend to stick to the stand alone missions and don't mess with the campaign because I don't like downtime from the cutscenes, and I like to play the mission that I fell like playing at any particular moment.

Haven't touched the campaign editor that is built in yet. But i'm already thinking of making some "escape from hell" type missions.[/i] >>



Wow! You are missing half the game then. I've played them all! I'm more than 3/4 way throught the campaign and I've completed several missions. I find some to be very difficult and many to be quite easy if you use cover and concealment like you would in the real world.

Now the mission editor is like candy!! I've recreated Hamburger hill battles and a couple others. I love the editor!! It is fun to just put hundreds of troops out there with terrain advantage and you try to take the objective at night donned in black!! Nothing like trying to lead a squad of 12 soldier in to a hornet's nest and winning a victory with only 3 or less left and on top of that, you are wounded.

This game is phenomenal! If you want true war, get OPF and nothing else! I've been through many military schools and I have to say that this game is very realistic.

 

Lars

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Enough, I think I am going to buy Operation Flashpoint tomorrow! But I will also buy Medal of Honor next week. Bye bye good grades ...
 

Auric

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I took another lookie at GR and have to retract my statement about it not seeming graphically improved enough over RS. I only tried the demo briefly when it first came out. The terrain is definitely more alive than in OFP. I have not been hunted yet though as in OFP. And of course the OFP vehicles add a whole nutha' dimension. Both are quite demanding hardware wise. I think GR may prompt me to get a new viddy card to enjoy the higher levels of detail.
 

Texun

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About a year ago I built a second PC out of spare parts. I wasn't very interested in playing games so I thought the Celeron 466 would work just fine for email, surfing, tinkering... and then I got Delta Force, my first FPS game. I quickly found that I didn't like the limitations of the 466, but still wanted to leave my other PC untouched since I use it more for work. I have now upgraded\rebuilt that PC and found that horsepower really makes a high end game what it should be. OF is no exception. The first significant thing that I noticed about the game is that the accuracy of the shot and weapon used really counts. They don't explode and they don't die if the shot isn't a kill shot.

I picked it up only because it was a FPS but I knew nothing of what to expect from OF. I've been educated, and have had my a$$ handed to me dozens of times by the enemy. The AI is anything but dumb... almost spooky at times in the way they flank me or fan out as a team to find me as I hide under a tree. I've read several books written by US military snipers, and what they had to say about the realities of staying alive can and must be applied in this game; "never shoot from the same hide more than a twice." You can get off more than a couple of shots from one location in OF, but anything more than that is pushing your luck. Plan, duck and crawl is the key to staying alive for more than 5 minutes.

I've only played three missions and the Sniper mission has been the toughest. I'm still not anywhere near being through with it, and I think the reason is because I adopted a personal vengeance to wipe out the tanks before I get to the camp. I have yet to do it successfully. The next time I think I'll focus on the objective and not let my personal grudge against the tanks distract me.

This is the most inexpensive entertainment that a person could ask for in a PC game. At the rate I play I figure the game will cost me about .10 per hour!

My ranting is done. Enjoy the game!

R