Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: Grunt03
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So has everyone forgot that it is a war zone and shit happens. Where is the outrage over our troops being hurt and killed??
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While you have a point Grunt03, its no longer a war zone and its an occupation in which we are trying to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. And as brutal as the Taliban was with its Sharia law, the Taliban swept into power partly because they were seen as the cure for far worse evils of total anarchy, civil war, and corruption.
And sadly in a military occupation on the total cheap, all Nato has done is to bring back total anarchy, civil war, and corruption. Which now partly explains why the Taliban is back and gaining ground.
But this also ignores a somewhat other central tenant of the thread. That both JOS and palehorse advocate, that the only way to break Taliban power is to invade the tribal areas of Pakistan. An area that has not been anywhere near as war ravaged as Afghanistan, where the taliban is not making a heck of a lot of mischief for the local population, and an area where almost everyone would be up in arms against Nato troops using either air power or boots on the ground. Not to mention the facts that Pakistan has flatly said no.
And yes, Grunt03, make no mistake about it, if Nato acts unilaterallyand takes the palehorse and JOS advice, one hell of a lot of Nato troops and a even large number of the the some other locals will end up dead in what amounts to a larger war zone
that is not at war now. And even then, its not likely to end the Taliban while it spreads Nato far thinner.
A number of posts back, I had repeatably asked palehorse to lay out his plan with troop numbers and contingency plans. Plus what military rank he has to show what right he had to speak for Nato.
But as usual, when it comes to putting his pie in the sky plans to the test, palehorse is missing in action as far as I can see.
But you are also right Grunt03, if we shoot and outlaw the Taliban who are basically a homegrown movement, they will shoot right back at Nato and outlaw them. Six years and counting of Stalemate and negative progress.
But to give you an Iraqi analogy, do we seek to kill every Shite, Sunni, and Kurd. Or do we seek some political accommodations? You too have some military cred Grunt03, maybe you should express some opinions on this thread rather than make a single unitary point.