Opera moving to Webkit and v8

zokudu

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Wow was not expecting this to happen. Opera is moving away from it's current browser and javascript engines in favor of Webkit and v8, both of which are the open source projects that power Chrome.

Opera Dev Blog said:
On the same day as announcing that Opera has 300 million users, we're also announcing that for all new products Opera will use WebKit as its rendering engine and V8 as its JavaScript engine. It's built using the open-source Chromium browser as one of its components. Of course, a browser is much more than just a renderer and a JS engine, so this is primarily an "under the hood" change. Consumers will initially notice better site compatibilty, especially with mobile-facing sites - many of which have only been tested in WebKit browsers. The first product will be for Smartphones, which we'll demonstrate at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona at the end of the month. Opera Desktop and other products will transition later.

TL;DR
  • This will require no changes to your web development practices: keep coding to standards!
  • Opera Extensions that you've built aren't obsolete
  • Opera will contribute to the WebKit and Chromium projects
  • Our work on web standards to advance the web continues

What does this mean for web developers?

The short answer is that it shouldn't affect your day-to-day work. Keep coding to the standards, not to individual rendering engines; test across browsers - Opera, Firefox, Chrome, Safari and Internet Explorer; use all vendor prefixes and an unprefixed form in your CSS and JavaScript. However, it remains important to keep the following in mind:
  • Chromium, and therefore future versions of Opera, has built-in support for the WebM, Ogg Theora and Ogg Vorbis media codecs but does not natively support H.264 or MP3 media codecs (although if these are installed in a device's operating system it will allow that to render media). The correct way to check support is with HTML5 canPlayType. The simplest method to ensure all modern browsers receive the correct codecs is to encode in both WebM and H.264 and provide two <source> elements or use canPlayType to check support (see Introduction to HTML5 video for more information).
  • The window.opera object will not exist in future versions of Opera. We continue to recommend that developers SHOULD NOT use browser-sniffing; feature-detection - either using a 3rd party solution such as Modernizr or hand-rolling your own - is better.

What does this mean for extension developers?

Extensions have been the most successful Opera add-on and it's of paramount importance to us that existing extensions continue working. We've been working on a conversion tool that will take existing OEX extensions and convert them into a format that can be used by Chromium-based Opera for computers. In addition, we'll provide conversion tutorials and documentation, and we'll provide assistance through our developer forums as well. In short, we stay totally committed to our enthusiastic community of extension developers and users, and we'll do our best to make the transition as smooth as possible.

Why is Opera switching?

When we first began, back in 1995, we had to roll our own rendering engine in order to compete against the Netscape and Internet Explorer to drive web standards, and thus the web forward. When we started the spec that is now called "HTML5", our goal was a specification that would greatly enhance interoperability across the web.

The WebKit project now has the kind of standards support that we could only dream of when our work began. Instead of tying up resources duplicating what's already implemented in WebKit, we can focus on innovation to make a better browser. Opera innovations such as tabbed browsing, Speed Dial and data-saving compression that speeds up page-load, have been widely copied and improved the web for all.

We remain completely committed to improving the web through our standardisation work. We have 18 years experience in standards and making browsers. Standards that began at Opera such as HTML5, native video and Media Queries are a vital part of the modern web.

We'll continue to advance the Web by contributing to the WebKit and Chromium projects. We have great experience in making products that work everywhere. In our internal builds, we've experimented with adding support for some new standards and enhanced some features that were lacking compared with Presto (for example, multi-column layout).

In the last few weeks we've contacted the Webkit project, and contributing organisations, to discuss our intentions to work with them to make WebKit even better. By contributing patches back to WebKit, we'll enhance standards compliance across a range of browsers, not just Opera.

So, this year, we're sending two Valentine cards: our usual one to the open, interoperable web, and one to WebKit too.

Source: http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/300-million-users-and-move-to-webkit
 

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Lifer
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I think its a smart move,hopefully they will be able to get more users downloading Opera if they do this and better support from various sources over the net too.
 
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lxskllr

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I'd have preferred them opening Presto. I'm not a big fan of Webkit based browsers. I have a couple installed, but they're just backups.
 

zokudu

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I'd have preferred them opening Presto. I'm not a big fan of Webkit based browsers. I have a couple installed, but they're just backups.

Nothing saying they won't open Presto, I think Presto is a fantastic browser engine it's really their Carakan javascript engine that is the bad piece in my opinion. Problem is even if they open Presto people will still ignore it the way they do now. It's a sad fact but people code for Webkit and their ~3% market share in the browser world is not enough to get them recognized. It's easier to just hop on ship with the engines everyone codes for anyway.

I do hope they open Presto though.
 

lxskllr

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Nothing saying they won't open Presto, I think Presto is a fantastic browser engine it's really their Carakan javascript engine that is the bad piece in my opinion. Problem is even if they open Presto people will still ignore it the way they do now. It's a sad fact but people code for Webkit and their ~3% market share in the browser world is not enough to get them recognized. It's easier to just hop on ship with the engines everyone codes for anyway.

I do hope they open Presto though.

Well, the ideal situation for me would be to open up the deal. I like Opera a lot, and the only reason I don't use it is because it's proprietary. I prefer Firefox, but would otherwise use Opera regularly as a secondary browser. I'm sure I'm not alone, and getting libre software people on board would almost certainly get them market share. Not a ton, but it would put more weight behind the project, and it could take off.
 

Chiefcrowe

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Surprised at this news too. I do hope they release their old engine and open the code though.

at least hopefully this means that opera will be faster and webmail will actually work well on it!
 

zokudu

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Surprised at this news too. I do hope they release their old engine and open the code though.

at least hopefully this means that opera will be faster and webmail will actually work well on it!

No it will never work. It's broken because of User Agent strings. :| Seriously try spoofing Firefox or Chrome for gmail. Though I will be the first to admit it's still a bit slower.