Open letter to Vietnamese-Americans from pow

vanln

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Open letter to Vietnamese-Americans, Vietnam
and other Veterans concerning the upcoming elections




From Mike Benge Former VN POW, ?68-73



Many people including Vietnamese-Americans, Vietnam and other Veterans and others, especially the younger generation, know very little about the Vietnam War. Even the Vietnam Veterans by and large knew little more than a microcosm of what was going on other than their little part of ?Hell.? Almost everyone has seen the picture of the South Vietnamese General summarily executing a Viet Cong, but was never told that this VC was part of a special assassination unit that had just finished cutting off the legs of the dependents, wives and children, in the police barracks just down the street, who smeared on the wall in blood: this is what happens to American imperialist collaborators. All to many know little more than what they may have seen miss-portrayed in movies such as ?Apocalypse Now? or editorialized in TV portrayals or books, even school text books, that are often more fiction than fact. Few know the real Senator John Kerry who is aspiring to be President.



During the Easter Campaign in 1972, after American combat troops had pulled out of Vietnam, the Army of South Vietnam fought gallantly against the North Vietnamese communist army, defeating them in battle, and driving them in defeat back to North Vietnam and their sanctuaries in Laos. However, because of John Kerry?s appalling testimony before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee in April 1971 in which he falsely charged that all U.S. troops in Vietnam were war criminals, Senator Ted Kennedy was able to persuade the Senate to cut off all future funding for Vietnam. Therefore, there was no money to purchase ammunition, bombs or parts to repair any equipment necessary to continue the war and ward off the North Vietnamese army that led to the fall of Vietnam to the communists in 1975.



Kerry was spokesman for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), and largely based his testimony on fabrications by VVAW members who had either not been in the military, or if they had been had not been in Vietnam, or if they had been in Vietnam had never been in combat. John Kerry also stated that the Vietnamese people didn?t care if they lived under democracy or communism, and they would probably be better off under communism. He went on to say that if the communists took over Vietnam, at most, only a few hundred South Vietnamese would be killed.



The North Vietnamese communist government (NVG) signed the Geneva Conventions on the Treatment of Prisoners of War in 1957, yet it grossly violated all provisions of the Convention by starving, torturing and murdering not only American military POWs, but civilians as well. The communists also committed the same atrocities against thousands of South Vietnamese POWs, as well as any third-country allies who happened to fall in their clutches. [I know this from first hand experience having been a civilian POW of Hanoi for 5 years, including spending time in ?tiger cages? and in their less than luxurious prisons in Hanoi including Hoa Lo prison ? the Hole of Fire, aka the Hanoi Hilton.]



When the communist North Vietnamese retreated after being defeated in the battle for Hue that ended Feb. 24, 1968, they took with them over 3,500 South Vietnamese POWs, soldiers, civil servants as well as their wives and children, including three German Doctors working at the University of Hue. All were systematically murdered and buried ? 20 to 40 bodies to a grave. The bodies showed clear evidence of atrocity killings: groups of bodies tied together, each with hands wired or tied with bamboo strips behind backs, rags stuffed in mouths or plastic bags tied over their heads, with many of the bodies contorted but without wounds (indicating being buried alive).



Right after my captured during the TET Offensive in 1968, North Vietnamese officers, in order to impress me of their seriousness, staged a ?kangaroo court,? a mock trial, in a leper colony, where they had 15 Montagnard ethnic minority teenagers, with their hands wired behind them, kneeling on a bamboo platform, accusing them of being counter-revolutionaries. Communist cadres were dispersed among the lepers and when asked by the officer staging the trial what should be done with them, the cadre began shouting, ?Kill them! Kill them!? The lepers afraid for their lives were urged by the cadres to join in the condemnation, a freak-out show that would make Francis Ford Coppula proud ? then a NVA officer walked up behind them, executing a coup de grace, shooting each teenager in the back of the head.



Probably less than 100 people remember, and less than a dozen saw the pictures of, what happened when the North Vietnamese soldiers overran a Stieng ethnic minority village in Tay Ninh Province in 1967 and systematically fried the men, women, children and babes in arms with flame throwers -- turning the entire village into charred corpses.



Apparently the North Vietnamese atrocities made no impact on the mind or conscience of Senator John Kerry, for he made no agonized outcry. He never led demonstrations at North Vietnamese embassies or consulates. No, instead, John Kerry led demonstrations in Washington, DC, marching under the Viet Cong flag, and regurgitated falsehoods before the Senate Foreign Relations, and betrayed his ?band of brothers? calling them all ?war criminals.? And John Kerry dishonored those dead Americans who?s names are on that cold black granite wall in Washington, DC ? The Vietnam Memorial ? who died fighting for freedom and democracy for the Vietnamese people.



John Kerry testified that American Servicemen in Vietnam committed atrocities, reminiscent of Genghis Khan, and the acts were ?not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.? Who Kerry was describing was the Vietnamese communists, not American soldiers. On April 18, 1971, Kerry appeared on NBC?s ?Meet the Press? stating ?Yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities?? Whether this was a mea culpa by Kerry, only he knows.



Instead of punishment for war crimes, through the intense advocacy efforts of presidential hopeful John Kerry, the communist killers and tortures were rewarded with favorable diplomatic and trade relations that have allowed them to line their pockets with gold and fatten their offshore bank accounts from ill-gotten gains. As a Senator John Kerry has fought harder for the Vietnamese communists since his return than he ever did against them during his short four months in Vietnam as a Swift Boat commander. In 2001, Kerry single-handed prevented the Vietnam Human Rights Act from going to the floor of the Senate for a democratic up or down vote after passing the House 410-1.



John Kerry gave aid-and-comfort to the enemy, and his actions after coming back from Vietnam prolonged the war instead of shortening it, causing the unnecessary deaths of over 2 million Vietnamese and 3 million Cambodians, and hundreds of thousands Laotians.



General Vo Nguyen Giap, the North Vietnamese general, the architect of the military campaign that finally drove the U.S. out of South Vietnam in 1975, is cited as crediting Presidential aspirant John Kerry and his VVAW with helping them achieve victory. In Giap?s 1985 memoir about the war, he wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S.? Giap was quoted as saying, "What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But, we were elated to notice the media were definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. Yes, we were ready to surrender. You had won!"



John Kerry?s picture hangs in the Vietnamese communist?s war museum (formerly called the War Crimes Museum) in Saigon (now called Ho Chi Minh City), in which he is immortalized in tribute to aiding the communists in winning the war.



America went to war in Vietnam for the right reasons, fighting for freedom and democracy for the Vietnamese people and history has proven this fact. However, because of the likes of John Kerry, the United States abandoned the Vietnamese people to the brutal fascist Vietnamese communists. In his campaign, John Forbes Kerry heralds his military record as a badge of honor in his campaign; only after coming home, he desecrated it -- That?s not what a hero does. John Forbes Kerry does not deserve the respect of Veterans, nor their vote, or the vote of Vietnamese Americans who value honor over deceit. Don?t let the United States once again betray the Vietnamese people by electing John Kerry as President.



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Michael Benge spent 11 years in Viet Nam, over five years as a Prisoner of War?1968-73. While serving as a civilian Foreign Service Officer, he was captured in South Viet Nam by the North Vietnamese and held in numerous camps in South Viet Nam, Cambodia, Laos, and North Viet Nam. He spent 27 months in solitary confinement and one year in a ?black box.? For efforts in rescuing several Americans prior to capture, he received the State Department?s highest award for heroism and a second one for valor.
 

feralkid

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"America went to war in Vietnam for the right reasons, fighting for freedom and democracy for the Vietnamese people and history has proven this fact."





Truly a load.



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Ferocious

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Absurd.

I guess the Vietnamese civillians loved our massive carpet bombing on them. I guess that's why they killed our downed pilots and soldiers on the spot whenever they could.

A pOW was a POW only because he wasn't captured by the civillians we were supposedly trying to free.

 

miketheidiot

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John Kerry also stated that the Vietnamese people didn?t care if they lived under democracy or communism, and they would probably be better off under communism.
I would like to know which side represented the democracy faction.

who died fighting for freedom and democracy for the Vietnamese people.
Again who was fighting for democracy? Last time I checked military dictatorship does not equal democracy.

America went to war in Vietnam for the right reasons, fighting for freedom and democracy for the Vietnamese people and history has proven this fact.
Again utter bs.
 

Tom

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I don't believe Vietnam war was about communism or democracy. It was about Vietnamese controlling their own country, instead of outsiders, whether they were French, Japanese, or American.




 

vanln

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Originally posted by: Tom
I don't believe Vietnam war was about communism or democracy. It was about Vietnamese controlling their own country, instead of outsiders, whether they were French, Japanese, or American.

It was about communism and democracy . that is the fact . If you don't believe it go ask Vietnamese refugee . You can find around 2 millions Vietnamese refugee plus around another 1 millions Cambodian/laosians refugee . They risk their lifes to escape Communist.

If you believe John Kerry and his 200 buddies Vs 3 millions Refugee + Viet Vet . You are a fool
 

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Liberals in America who protested against the war had no understanding of what was happening and they didn't want to know. They don't want to know the truth about John Kerry. To get him elected will validate them in their own eyes. I rode into Bien Thui RVN one day to a street strewn with babies whose throats had been cut by the NVA. The reason was that they were Amerasian, fathered by GI's. You can call me a liar all you want, but you will never remove that image from my mind. I never saw, nor did I ever hear of any of the American units that I worked with do anything like John Kerry says was done. I know he has to be a liar because I was there and reality as I knew it simply didn?t match his words. Things may have happened in the boonie rat companies, but I wasn't there to see it and didn't hear of it. The only one that I knew about was Calley and I learned that from the press. He was tried and convicted and if John Kerry also did atrocities, he should have been tried as well. Liberals, in my experience, have been very blind people who never take a serious look at anything. They see the bauble and think it is the world, meanwhile missing the whole of reality. I think this race is bearing that out once more. I watch a lot of the threads here and in other forums and the words are always the same as if rehearsed. Pretty hopeless bunch!
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
Absurd.

I guess the Vietnamese civillians loved our massive carpet bombing on them. I guess that's why they killed our downed pilots and soldiers on the spot whenever they could.

A pOW was a POW only because he wasn't captured by the civillians we were supposedly trying to free.


You just weren't there and have no idea.
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
John Kerry also stated that the Vietnamese people didn?t care if they lived under democracy or communism, and they would probably be better off under communism.
I would like to know which side represented the democracy faction.

who died fighting for freedom and democracy for the Vietnamese people.
Again who was fighting for democracy? Last time I checked military dictatorship does not equal democracy.

America went to war in Vietnam for the right reasons, fighting for freedom and democracy for the Vietnamese people and history has proven this fact.
Again utter bs.

Ask Western Europe whether they would have been under our occupation or that of Russia after WWII. I know the answer because I've been there too. East Germany certainly doesn't want the wall rebuilt.

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Tom
I don't believe Vietnam war was about communism or democracy. It was about Vietnamese controlling their own country, instead of outsiders, whether they were French, Japanese, or American.

So was the war between the states.

 

Tom

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Originally posted by: vanln
Originally posted by: Tom
I don't believe Vietnam war was about communism or democracy. It was about Vietnamese controlling their own country, instead of outsiders, whether they were French, Japanese, or American.

It was about communism and democracy . that is the fact . If you don't believe it go ask Vietnamese refugee . You can find around 2 millions Vietnamese refugee plus around another 1 millions Cambodian/laosians refugee . They risk their lifes to escape Communist


They weren't running from Communism. They were running because they were afraid of being seen as collaborators with outsiders, and they foresaw the possibility of a better life elsewhere.

I am talking about the deeper reason for the war. The Vietnam war predates the influence of communism in the region. It's possible that had we not turned our backs during the time when they were fighting France, they wouldn't have turned to the communists as their ally. The soviets and red chinese exploited the situation created by Japanese occupation followed by French imperialism.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Tom


They weren't running from Communism. They were running because they were afraid of being seen as collaborators with outsiders, and they foresaw the possibility of a better life elsewhere.
Too bad they didn't have the stones to stay and fight for their freedom instead of fleeing.
 

Tom

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Tom
I don't believe Vietnam war was about communism or democracy. It was about Vietnamese controlling their own country, instead of outsiders, whether they were French, Japanese, or American.

So was the war between the states.

The only way to see it that way is if you don't believe in the United States.

 

Spamela

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it's funny how other POW's, like John McCain, don't write deluded BS like this.
 

Tom

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Originally posted by: Spamela
it's funny how other POW's, like John McCain, don't write deluded BS like this.


Oh a lot of the stuff in that letter is true. The North Vietnamese commited terrible atrocities.

The area where the letter breaks down, is where it goes over the edge into a political agenda, but continues to assert it is fact and not opinion.

And the listing of atrocities by North Vietnam doesn't have any bearing on how we should behave. I feel the same way when people talk about how bad Saddam or even terrorists are, when trying to somewhat excuse the stuff we do in abu grahab or camp x-ray. We shouldn't lower our standards.


 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Tom
Originally posted by: Spamela
it's funny how other POW's, like John McCain, don't write deluded BS like this.


Oh a lot of the stuff in that letter is true. The North Vietnamese commited terrible atrocities.

The area where the letter breaks down, is where it goes over the edge into a political agenda, but continues to assert it is fact and not opinion.

And the listing of atrocities by North Vietnam doesn't have any bearing on how we should behave. I feel the same way when people talk about how bad Saddam or even terrorists are, when trying to somewhat excuse the stuff we do in abu grahab or camp x-ray. We shouldn't lower our standards.
Trust me, if our soldiers over in Iraq were Draftees instead of Volunteers there would be a lot more atrocities than Abu Grabass.

 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: vanln
Originally posted by: Tom
I don't believe Vietnam war was about communism or democracy. It was about Vietnamese controlling their own country, instead of outsiders, whether they were French, Japanese, or American.

It was about communism and democracy . that is the fact . If you don't believe it go ask Vietnamese refugee . You can find around 2 millions Vietnamese refugee plus around another 1 millions Cambodian/laosians refugee . They risk their lifes to escape Communist.

If you believe John Kerry and his 200 buddies Vs 3 millions Refugee + Viet Vet . You are a fool
I have a Vietnamese aunt who's father was a high ranking official in the South Vietnamese government and was assassinated by the North Vietnamese. Her cousins are subservient to her and her sister as they were raised to understand that they are born of lesser blood. I belive what I have seen, and the mentality of South Vietnam was not democratic by any means.
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Tom
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Tom
I don't believe Vietnam war was about communism or democracy. It was about Vietnamese controlling their own country, instead of outsiders, whether they were French, Japanese, or American.

So was the war between the states.

The only way to see it that way is if you don't believe in the United States.

The United States was united, not federalized. Apparently the word "united" isn't in your dictionary.

 

judasmachine

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There WERE people over there shooting children, and burning villiages. Maybe not a huge number, but to flatly deny it ever happened is stupid. Kerry was saying what he saw, and he may have exaggerated some, and he may not have. But ask Oliver Stone, at a speech of his I attended, he said that Platoon was his way of dealing with the inhuman things he saw happen.
 

Tom

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Tom
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Tom
I don't believe Vietnam war was about communism or democracy. It was about Vietnamese controlling their own country, instead of outsiders, whether they were French, Japanese, or American.

So was the war between the states.

The only way to see it that way is if you don't believe in the United States.

The United States was united, not federalized. Apparently the word "united" isn't in your dictionary.


I don't get your point ? My point is the South was not a country, it was part of the United States, therefore soldiers from one part of a country going to another part of the country are not "outsiders" from a different country.

 

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War is hell on both sides.

Imagine how many fewer atrocities would have been committed by either side if we hadn't joined the war.
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
There WERE people over there shooting children, and burning villiages. Maybe not a huge number, but to flatly deny it ever happened is stupid. Kerry was saying what he saw, and he may have exaggerated some, and he may not have. But ask Oliver Stone, at a speech of his I attended, he said that Platoon was his way of dealing with the inhuman things he saw happen.

I traveled a lot in country and I just didn't see it. I didn't get to the villes in the boonies.

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Tom
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Tom
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Tom
I don't believe Vietnam war was about communism or democracy. It was about Vietnamese controlling their own country, instead of outsiders, whether they were French, Japanese, or American.

So was the war between the states.

The only way to see it that way is if you don't believe in the United States.

The United States was united, not federalized. Apparently the word "united" isn't in your dictionary.


I don't get your point ? My point is the South was not a country, it was part of the United States, therefore soldiers from one part of a country going to another part of the country are not "outsiders" from a different country.

You ever hear of States rights? We started as states united under one constitution with freedom and independence for all. Federalization (look it up) is constantly eroding the original concept.

 

vanln

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Originally posted by: Tom
Originally posted by: vanln
Originally posted by: Tom
I don't believe Vietnam war was about communism or democracy. It was about Vietnamese controlling their own country, instead of outsiders, whether they were French, Japanese, or American.

It was about communism and democracy . that is the fact . If you don't believe it go ask Vietnamese refugee . You can find around 2 millions Vietnamese refugee plus around another 1 millions Cambodian/laosians refugee . They risk their lifes to escape Communist


They weren't running from Communism. They were running because they were afraid of being seen as collaborators with outsiders, and they foresaw the possibility of a better life elsewhere.

I am talking about the deeper reason for the war. The Vietnam war predates the influence of communism in the region. It's possible that had we not turned our backs during the time when they were fighting France, they wouldn't have turned to the communists as their ally. The soviets and red chinese exploited the situation created by Japanese occupation followed by French imperialism.


You are wrong again my friend. Most of them escaped the country after a few years live with communist. Most of refugee has a chance to live with communist. Think about every night could be your last night. Those communist are not human. They could make you guilty as they want. At Night time they go to your house. After a short announcement from policeman, they take you to jungle. Either kill you or make you live there. Why they do that? The reason could be simple. It could be they like your house or they like your motorcycle. Or simple as you have a BS degree in science. They dont like people smarter than them. In 1978 Communist Vietnamese send 1 millions civilians to jungle just because those people had a big house. Hundred thousand of them died in jungle. Other became homeless

Only kids who had a father communist could go school. He or she will automatic pass 12 grade to go university. Other who dont have a relationship with communist go spend their life in the street
Every normal citizen could not travel more than 20 miles from their home. If they want to travel they must be approve by police. If you got catch, good luck to your life

Tom, you go ask people before jump into a conclusion. Go ask refugee about their life during communist regime. You dont want people catch you with your empty statement. 3 millions refuses is a big number of witnesses. Your empty statement makes people LOL