open case vs closed for overall temps

Elixer

Lifer
May 7, 2002
10,371
762
126
A friend has a lian li made, Rockfish branded tower case, and they have the side panel open all the time.
They claim that having the panel open drops temps better than having it closed.
His case has 1 120mm front fan, and 1 120mm rear fan.
thumb.jpg

For more pics check out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20090312-New-Case-Rocketfish-RF-FULLTWR-Lian-Li-special
thumb.jpg


I know on my case, internal temps go up if I leave case open, since airflow is not going over everything like it normally would.

Case open, his HD temps are 39C, and closed, they are 43C on a typical 83F day with no AC.

I am wondering if anyone else has seen temps lower with the side panel open vs having it closed?
 

BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
16,122
1,736
126
I'll do us all a favor and keep an open mind about this.

Perhaps the first question we should ask "generally" is "Which temperatures are we measuring, and how are we measuring it (them)?"

It has been my experience with a heatpipe-tower cooling strategy that a fan deployment of ample intake CFMs -- concentrated so as to exhaust only or mostly from the cooler and rear exhaust fan -- will keep CPU temperatures lower. But this also assumes the cooler exhaust is ducted to the rear fan, not allowed to mix with case interior air.

If you position thermal sensors around the case, it may be that the closed case has higher temperatures -- I don't know for sure.

One experiment to improve cooling from a single-fan AiO cooler here in the forums, using a small midtower case like a Corsair C70, proclaimed lower CPU temperatures for a closed case than for an open case. Since the case was smaller than my own midtowers, the opportunity for 140mm fans had to be thoroughly exploited, and I think they were deployed as intake wherever possible, leaving a radiator ducted on either side with pusher and (exhaust) puller as the sole exhaust port in the box, except for some leakage through the PSU or some drive-bay vent-cover that wasn't blocked off.

I think the difference in the C70-type case for open side-panel versus closed was measured at something between 2 or 3C.

I personally block off all vents that only serve a passive purpose -- the ones without fans. I try to block all the holes, but I've left the bay-cover vents unblocked to assure some airflow across my optical drive or hot-swap bay. The more selective I am in choosing these unblocked vents, the better the pressurization -- either more air molecules or faster air molecules would traverse the heatpipe fin array. And the more effective the cooling on the bay components under consideration.

It would seem that the smaller the case, one could use either fewer or smaller fans, but choose fewer and larger where possible -- specifically for intake. I use an exhaust fan that may still be only capable of half the rated CFM for the intake fans, but then -- it sits behind the cooler and isolated exclusively to the cooler because of the duct-box. But even for the smaller case size of a C70 (versus my HAF 922), the airflow over the components would be more effective: Narrower spaces; higher velocity; greater pressure.

These are just some loose thoughts about this. So for an answer, closed-case may offer greater chance of lower CPU temperatures; open-case may show lower temperatures for a thermistor taped to -- say -- the motherboard, a drive cage, etc.

And I can only explain the former firsthand. Why would I run my computer with an open sidepanel, except to inspect it, examine the motherboard LEDs, check that fans are running, etc.? If you did everything possible to isolate noise and vibration, the closed case does better at muffling air-turbulence.

I've seen a lot of different case designs, and there was once a case I saw made almost entirely of perf-aluminum and aluminum frame parts. It was a metal case, but the entire assembly was one big fan vent. I don't recall the customer-reaction to dBA levels. I just haven't seen anyone sporting that case for years.


A friend has a lian li made, Rockfish branded tower case, and they have the side panel open all the time.
They claim that having the panel open drops temps better than having it closed.
His case has 1 120mm front fan, and 1 120mm rear fan.
thumb.jpg

For more pics check out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20090312-New-Case-Rocketfish-RF-FULLTWR-Lian-Li-special
thumb.jpg


I know on my case, internal temps go up if I leave case open, since airflow is not going over everything like it normally would.

Case open, his HD temps are 39C, and closed, they are 43C on a typical 83F day with no AC.

I am wondering if anyone else has seen temps lower with the side panel open vs having it closed?
 

Charlie98

Diamond Member
Nov 6, 2011
6,292
62
91
I think that is too big of a case to try to cool with a single 120mm intake and single 120mm exhaust fan... he probably is better off with the side cover off.

It's my opinion, with the correct fans and ducting (meaning the case is fairly closed and not a Swiss cheese case) a closed case is much better in most cases... that isn't to say if you have 3 firebreathing GPUs or some other special use scenario that an open case might be better.
 

Elixer

Lifer
May 7, 2002
10,371
762
126
If having the side/lid off lowers temps, that means it has insufficient airflow.

That is what I was thinking, but, this is a lian li made case, you would have thought the supplied fans would be enough for this huge case.
I was also off by one fan, 1 intake, and 2 outtake. That side gizmo is an outtake fan as well.
 

BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
16,122
1,736
126
That is what I was thinking, but, this is a lian li made case, you would have thought the supplied fans would be enough for this huge case.
I was also off by one fan, 1 intake, and 2 outtake. That side gizmo is an outtake fan as well.

I've said it before. The case-makers have to address a lot of preference points among potential buyers. The cases with the cleverest designs offer more "options." If you don't use the options but have plenty of intake airflow, the remaining vents should be blocked.

And -- yeah -- if pulling the case panel results in lower temperatures, then . . . insufficient airflow when closed. Usually, the way folks slap all the pieces together, they haven't taken advantage of airflow potential and focused heat removal.

But I still think it's an important distinction: "Lower/higher temperatures for miscellaneous thermistor placement? Or for CPU cores?"
 

XavierMace

Diamond Member
Apr 20, 2013
4,307
450
126
That is what I was thinking, but, this is a lian li made case, you would have thought the supplied fans would be enough for this huge case.
I was also off by one fan, 1 intake, and 2 outtake. That side gizmo is an outtake fan as well.

No, that's always been a weak point of Lian-Li cases (I've owned more than my share). They put form over function. It always boggled my mind opening a FULL tower case and only find spots for 2 or maybe 3 fans.

Silverstone used to but has been finding a much better balance on their more recent cases.

Best you can do is switch it to two intakes, one exhaust and upgrade to better fans.
 

Elixer

Lifer
May 7, 2002
10,371
762
126
No, that's always been a weak point of Lian-Li cases (I've owned more than my share). They put form over function. It always boggled my mind opening a FULL tower case and only find spots for 2 or maybe 3 fans.

Silverstone used to but has been finding a much better balance on their more recent cases.

Best you can do is switch it to two intakes, one exhaust and upgrade to better fans.

Appears so, I went over with 3 of my Yate loon fans, and temps with the case closed is around 33C and open is 39C.
I had no idea Lian li's fan are that crappy.