Oops. Israel Admits to having nuclear weapons.

Narmer

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Who knows. Maybe this will go the way of George Bush's stupid "Axis of Evil" speech, which was only said once but only had to be said once for everyone to see what lurks in his heart.

Anyway, I believe that Olmert's comments should pave the way for Nuclear proliferators to open shop in the Middle East. If we're (humanity) going to kill we other, we may as well start with all the religious fanatics in that region.

Haaretz

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PM: Israel won't be first to introduce nukes to region

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Tuesday that "Israel won't be the first country to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East."

Olmert repeated the comments three times during a joint press conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, a day after the broadcast of an interview in which he made remarks that appeared to publicly confirm that Israel has nuclear weapons. Olmert also said that nothing he said during that interview violated the official Israeli position.

During the press conference, Merkel said that in her opinion the option of military intervention in Iran is not on the agenda. Merkel also said that Germany had tried to secure the release of the two Israeli soldiers kidnapped by Hezbollah.

Aides to the prime minister, seeking to quell a political storm over Olmert's remarks, said Tuesday that the prime minister had been misinterpreted and had not violated Israel's traditional policy of "nuclear ambiguity."

The statement, which provoked calls for Olmert's resignation, followed recent comments by newly appointed U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who listed Israel among the nations near iran which possessing nuclear arms.

Olmert, who began an official visit to Germany Monday, told the German television news channel N24 in an interview that "we have never threatened any nation with annihilation. Iran, openly, explicitly and publicly threatens to wipe Israel off the map. Can you say that this is the same level, when they are aspiring to have nuclear weapons, as America, France, Israel, Russia?"

It is not clear whether this was a slip of the tongue on the part of Olmert or an intended statement. But the Prime Minister's Office said the statement was misinterpreted.

The prime minister "listed Israel among the list of responsible nations, and not the list of nations which have nuclear weapons," the Prime Minister's Office was quoted by Israel Radio as saying.

Reiterating Israel's traditional policy of "nuclear ambiguity," aides to the prime minister stressed that "The prime minister said that Israel will not be the first nation in the region to arm itself with nuclear weapons."

Olmert's comments raised a storm among political figures in Israel.

MK Yuval Steinitz (Likud) called on Olmert to resign following "a series of problematic slips of the tongue in matters of defense."

According to Steinitz, "the terrible statement made in Germany undermines 50 years of Israel's policy of ambiguity, and joins the irresponsible slips of the tongue such as the announcement regarding the fate of the abducted soldiers in Lebanon. A prime minister who is unable to control his statements on sensitive matters of security, must quit."

Meretz chairman, MK Yossi Beilin said that "the fantastic statement of the Prime Minister on the nuclear issue reflects the carelessness ... and raises serious doubts whether this is a person worthy of serving as prime minister."

MK Aryeh Eldad (National Union) said that if Olmert's statements reflect an intentional change in policy then he must release "an clear announcement to the free world, that if you do not stop Iran, we will stop it at any cost."

Olmert's spokesman, Miri Eisen, who accompanied the prime minister on a trip to Germany on Monday, said he did not mean to say that Israel possessed or aspired to acquire nuclear weapons.

"No he wasn't saying anything like that," she said.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said Olmert had meant to categorize the four nations as democracies to set them apart from Iran, and was not referring to their potential nuclear capabilities or aspirations.

Olmert's comments come a week after the incoming U.S. secretary of defense, Robert Gates, shocked observers when he said that Israel possessed nuclear arms, before a Congressional confirmation panel.

Meanwhile, German Chancellor Angela Merkel visited Olmert in his hotel in Berlin, last night for a meeting that was described as "private."

A private meeting room was set up at the InterContinental, where Olmert and his aides are staying, for the meeting. The two leaders at first met in private and were then joined by aides.

The meeting between the two was not on the official schedule of the visit, and aides were quick to point out that it reflected the warm and special ties between the two leaders.

Prior to his departure for Germany on Monday, Olmert said that Germany should curtail its commercial ties with Iran and that the interests of private businessmen in Germany should not influence German policy regarding Iran.

Germany will assume the rotating European Union presidency on January 1, 2007, and aides to Olmert say that his close ties with Merkel will avail Israel of a friendly interlocutor in matters having to do with the Palestinians.

Olmert and Merkel met officially Tuesday at the Chancellery in Berlin.

Prior to the meeting, Olmert addressed a ceremony commemorating the victims of the Holocaust at Grunewald Station's Platform 17 in Berlin.

"Woe are the weak and defenseless. Woe is he who refuses to believe the words of those who threaten to destroy him. Woe is the complacent man that fails to use his weapons to foil danger. Woe is he who entertains the delusion that he is beyond harm, and that is dependent upon the kindness of strangers," said Olmert in his address, adding that this is the main lesson of the Holocaust, and that "this is a lesson that Israel has learned and memorized."

Olmert will also meet the German President, Horst Kohler, Tuesday and Wednesday will leave Germany for Italy where he is scheduled to meet Prime Minister Romano Prodi and the Pope, Benedict XVI.
 

Genx87

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I am reading this and wondering where the Israelis admitted they have Nukes?
They said they wont be the first to introduce them into the region. This to me says they are claiming nobody has nuclear weapons in the region including themselves. And they wont be the first which indicates they expect Iran to.

If anything the United States is claiming they have them.

/shrug
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I am reading this and wondering where the Israelis admitted they have Nukes?
They said they wont be the first to introduce them into the region. This to me says they are claiming nobody has nuclear weapons in the region including themselves. And they wont be the first which indicates they expect Iran to.

If anything the United States is claiming they have them.

/shrug

Olmert, who began an official visit to Germany Monday, told the German television news channel N24 in an interview that "we have never threatened any nation with annihilation. Iran, openly, explicitly and publicly threatens to wipe Israel off the map. Can you say that this is the same level, when they are aspiring to have nuclear weapons, as America, France, Israel, Russia?"

Of course it's not explicit, but there's a reason why this is all over the headlines in Israel. If you still don't understand, don't hesitate to ask.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Who knows. Maybe this will go the way of George Bush's stupid "Axis of Evil" speech, which was only said once but only had to be said once for everyone to see what lurks in his heart.

Anyway, I believe that Olmert's comments should pave the way for Nuclear proliferators to open shop in the Middle East. If we're (humanity) going to kill we other, we may as well start with all the religious fanatics in that region.

I believe we always knew/assumed Israel had nuclear weapons. Perhaps with that being the reason its neighbors started using proxies to wage aggressive war instead of their official armies.

Of course terrorist proxies only work against the ignorant, but western civilization appears readily apt for its role.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Narmer
Who knows. Maybe this will go the way of George Bush's stupid "Axis of Evil" speech, which was only said once but only had to be said once for everyone to see what lurks in his heart.

Anyway, I believe that Olmert's comments should pave the way for Nuclear proliferators to open shop in the Middle East. If we're (humanity) going to kill we other, we may as well start with all the religious fanatics in that region.

I believe we always knew/assumed Israel had nuclear weapons. Perhaps with that being the reason its neighbors started using proxies to wage aggressive war instead of their official armies.

Of course terrorist proxies only work against the ignorant, but western civilization appears readily apt for its role.

Everyone knew, but Israel, smartly, never admitted to it, thereby putting pressure on her neighbors to not follow with a bomb of their own. Now that Olmert has opened his gaping mouth, the cat's out of the bag and Israel's arab neighbors have a right to the nuclear bomb.

The reason why her neighbors started fighting wars of attrition is because they couldn't defeat her on the battlefield, not because she had nuclear weapons.

I don't know what you're trying to say in your last paragraph.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Genx87
I am reading this and wondering where the Israelis admitted they have Nukes?
They said they wont be the first to introduce them into the region. This to me says they are claiming nobody has nuclear weapons in the region including themselves. And they wont be the first which indicates they expect Iran to.

If anything the United States is claiming they have them.

/shrug

Olmert, who began an official visit to Germany Monday, told the German television news channel N24 in an interview that "we have never threatened any nation with annihilation. Iran, openly, explicitly and publicly threatens to wipe Israel off the map. Can you say that this is the same level, when they are aspiring to have nuclear weapons, as America, France, Israel, Russia?"

Of course it's not explicit, but there's a reason why this is all over the headlines in Israel. If you still don't understand, don't hesitate to ask.

I think you are reading into what you want to read. Anhiliation can come in many forms. And he lays out within your own article he makes the claim they wont be the first.

I am not saying they dont have them, but I dont see how anything within the article posted proves they admit to having them.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Genx87
I am reading this and wondering where the Israelis admitted they have Nukes?
They said they wont be the first to introduce them into the region. This to me says they are claiming nobody has nuclear weapons in the region including themselves. And they wont be the first which indicates they expect Iran to.

If anything the United States is claiming they have them.

/shrug

Olmert, who began an official visit to Germany Monday, told the German television news channel N24 in an interview that "we have never threatened any nation with annihilation. Iran, openly, explicitly and publicly threatens to wipe Israel off the map. Can you say that this is the same level, when they are aspiring to have nuclear weapons, as America, France, Israel, Russia?"

Of course it's not explicit, but there's a reason why this is all over the headlines in Israel. If you still don't understand, don't hesitate to ask.

I think you are reading into what you want to read. Anhiliation can come in many forms. And he lays out within your own article he makes the claim they wont be the first.

I am not saying they dont have them, but I dont see how anything within the article posted proves they admit to having them.

What you're saying if official Israeli policy, which is why this article was written. It was written to re-state that policy. But the fallout from the gaffe, which is him admitting that Israel, like AMerica, France, and Russia, have nuclear weapons, was already well under way. Look at the quote and you will see that it is the core of the controversy.

EDIT: If I'm reading too much into it, then you must either be blind or ignorant, because this is big news in Israel. People are calling for Olmert's resignation for going against official policy of not admitting to having a nuclear weapon.
 

Trevelyan

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Um, I don't think the fact that Israel has nukes means other Arab nations have the right to have nukes.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Um, I don't think the fact that Israel has nukes means other Arab nations have the right to have nukes.

Why not? Is Israel better than the arabs? Did God gave Israel a right to have nukes but not arab states? What's your logic behind that statement or is it just a simple opinion?
 

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Everyone has nukes. No one is idiotic enough to use them. Except maybe the Iran leader, he's shown he's crazy and willing enough to do anything.

And Narmer, ever heard of two wrongs don't make a right? Why is it okay for Hezbollah to fire missiles at Israel but not okay for Israel to retaliate? Try to use the same logic you used then and if you're not a hypocrite you'll come to the same conclusion.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Um, I don't think the fact that Israel has nukes means other Arab nations have the right to have nukes.

Why not? Is Israel better than the arabs? Did God gave Israel a right to have nukes but not arab states? What's your logic behind that statement or is it just a simple opinion?

IMO Israel is an Arab state ...

and IMO only 1 Arab state is allowed to have nukes. One that has a govt. that doesn't spread hate.

Sure their actions against Palestine might be wrong most of the time, half of the time, or some of the time. That doesn't spread hate...
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: Aimster

and IMO only 1 Arab state is allowed to have nukes. One that has a govt. that doesn't spread hate.

Sure their actions against Palestine might be wrong most of the time, half of the time, or some of the time. That doesn't spread hate...

Yeah, they only spread love by bulldozing homes and olive groves, firing missiles into crowded marketplaces, firing tank shells at kids throwing rocks, herding palestinians into pockets in their own territory with the settlment constructions, etc...
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I don't know why but I always thought Isreal had nukes. They didn't?

They've never said they have them officially, but everyone pretty much agrees that they do.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Aimster

and IMO only 1 Arab state is allowed to have nukes. One that has a govt. that doesn't spread hate.

Sure their actions against Palestine might be wrong most of the time, half of the time, or some of the time. That doesn't spread hate...

Yeah, they only spread love by bulldozing homes and olive groves, firing missiles into crowded marketplaces, firing tank shells at kids throwing rocks, herding palestinians into pockets in their own territory with the settlment constructions, etc...


I dont disagree that Israel does horrible things.

However the other Arab nations go around spreading complete hate for Jews and Israel.
If they had a nuclear bomb they would launch them all at Israel.

Israel actually has 19% of the population being Arab-Muslim.
 

halik

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Is that surprising? They never signed the non-proliferation pact..

And it's spelled nucular btw.
 

yllus

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There really is no "legitimate right" to the bomb, so I'm not sure why Israel having it would give its neighbours the green light. You either have nukes or you don't, only the have-nots whine about legitimacy.

Personally I'd trust Israel with nuclear arms over almost any other nation whose name starts with an "I".
 

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Um, I don't think the fact that Israel has nukes means other Arab nations have the right to have nukes.

Why not? Is Israel better than the arabs? Did God gave Israel a right to have nukes but not arab states? What's your logic behind that statement or is it just a simple opinion?

Your logic is flawed. Israel can have nukes, and still not have the "right" to have them. So no other countries should have the "right" either... Theyre just being very uncool, thats all.

Analagy: Lets say guns are illegal. And I go out and buy on the black market. Because I did that do you now have the right to own a gun? No.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: Aimster

I dont disagree that Israel does horrible things.

However the other Arab nations go around spreading complete hate for Jews and Israel.
If they had a nuclear bomb they would launch them all at Israel.

Israel actually has 19% of the population being Arab-Muslim.

well at least you're realistic and I appreciate that, I thought you were trying to go with a position that Israel's policies are nothing but sunshne and roses. Too many people believe that Israel can do no wrong and that they are always justified in whatever they do- same goes for Arabs too. We need more moderates who see through both side's stupid rhetoric and lies.

having said that I am surprised that you dont seem to oppose Israel having nukes. I prefer no one in ME had nukes, especially not Israel, Iraq, Syria or Egypt - basically any of the countries with aggressive histories. But if one of them has it then I think it is foolish to support that and deny the same negotiating card to the others.
 

SamurAchzar

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Um, I don't think the fact that Israel has nukes means other Arab nations have the right to have nukes.

Why not? Is Israel better than the arabs? Did God gave Israel a right to have nukes but not arab states? What's your logic behind that statement or is it just a simple opinion?

Oh, plenty of reasons there:

1. Israel is a western democracy, practicing freedom of speech and human rights (of course, there are some inherent problems with the region and the population, but at least it tries)

2. Israel is allied with the west. As the only judge in this case is the western countries and public opinion in these countries - I mean, were it for Zimbabwe, every country could have had nukes - Israel can have such weapons

3. Israel has never opened war with any other country - all the major war Israel took part in were initiated by neighbouring Arab countries

4. Israel hasn't said, even ONCE - and you might try to show otherwise - that it aims to exterminate any country or ethnic group, unlike other countries in the region

5. Israel shown maturity by never threatening, let along attacking with nuclear force, even when presented with real, tangible danger (Yum Kippur war; First Gulf war, etc.)

6. Israel didn't act to eliminate neighboring countries even when it was presented with good opportunities. It very well could have destroyed Syria for example and didn't.

7. Israel is the only country whose legitimacy is put in question by other countries

So I'd say that while having nukes is generally bad idea, reality forces such weapons. And if anyone is entitled to have them, that would be Israel.

Besides, Arab countries know Israel has nukes for years. It's a very well known secret. They only reason for nuclear proliferation right now is Iran; Countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia are much more troubled by the nuclear activities of Iran than they've ever been by Israel's. Perhaps they know these weapons might be used against them one day.

 

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Who knows. Maybe this will go the way of George Bush's stupid "Axis of Evil" speech, which was only said once but only had to be said once for everyone to see what lurks in his heart.

Anyway, I believe that Olmert's comments should pave the way for Nuclear proliferators to open shop in the Middle East. If we're (humanity) going to kill we other, we may as well start with all the religious fanatics in that region.

Haaretz

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PM: Israel won't be first to introduce nukes to region

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Tuesday that "Israel won't be the first country to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East."

Olmert repeated the comments three times during a joint press conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, a day after the broadcast of an interview in which he made remarks that appeared to publicly confirm that Israel has nuclear weapons. Olmert also said that nothing he said during that interview violated the official Israeli position.

During the press conference, Merkel said that in her opinion the option of military intervention in Iran is not on the agenda. Merkel also said that Germany had tried to secure the release of the two Israeli soldiers kidnapped by Hezbollah.

Aides to the prime minister, seeking to quell a political storm over Olmert's remarks, said Tuesday that the prime minister had been misinterpreted and had not violated Israel's traditional policy of "nuclear ambiguity."

The statement, which provoked calls for Olmert's resignation, followed recent comments by newly appointed U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who listed Israel among the nations near iran which possessing nuclear arms.

Olmert, who began an official visit to Germany Monday, told the German television news channel N24 in an interview that "we have never threatened any nation with annihilation. Iran, openly, explicitly and publicly threatens to wipe Israel off the map. Can you say that this is the same level, when they are aspiring to have nuclear weapons, as America, France, Israel, Russia?"

It is not clear whether this was a slip of the tongue on the part of Olmert or an intended statement. But the Prime Minister's Office said the statement was misinterpreted.

The prime minister "listed Israel among the list of responsible nations, and not the list of nations which have nuclear weapons," the Prime Minister's Office was quoted by Israel Radio as saying.

Reiterating Israel's traditional policy of "nuclear ambiguity," aides to the prime minister stressed that "The prime minister said that Israel will not be the first nation in the region to arm itself with nuclear weapons."

Olmert's comments raised a storm among political figures in Israel.

MK Yuval Steinitz (Likud) called on Olmert to resign following "a series of problematic slips of the tongue in matters of defense."

According to Steinitz, "the terrible statement made in Germany undermines 50 years of Israel's policy of ambiguity, and joins the irresponsible slips of the tongue such as the announcement regarding the fate of the abducted soldiers in Lebanon. A prime minister who is unable to control his statements on sensitive matters of security, must quit."

Meretz chairman, MK Yossi Beilin said that "the fantastic statement of the Prime Minister on the nuclear issue reflects the carelessness ... and raises serious doubts whether this is a person worthy of serving as prime minister."

MK Aryeh Eldad (National Union) said that if Olmert's statements reflect an intentional change in policy then he must release "an clear announcement to the free world, that if you do not stop Iran, we will stop it at any cost."

Olmert's spokesman, Miri Eisen, who accompanied the prime minister on a trip to Germany on Monday, said he did not mean to say that Israel possessed or aspired to acquire nuclear weapons.

"No he wasn't saying anything like that," she said.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said Olmert had meant to categorize the four nations as democracies to set them apart from Iran, and was not referring to their potential nuclear capabilities or aspirations.

Olmert's comments come a week after the incoming U.S. secretary of defense, Robert Gates, shocked observers when he said that Israel possessed nuclear arms, before a Congressional confirmation panel.

Meanwhile, German Chancellor Angela Merkel visited Olmert in his hotel in Berlin, last night for a meeting that was described as "private."

A private meeting room was set up at the InterContinental, where Olmert and his aides are staying, for the meeting. The two leaders at first met in private and were then joined by aides.

The meeting between the two was not on the official schedule of the visit, and aides were quick to point out that it reflected the warm and special ties between the two leaders.

Prior to his departure for Germany on Monday, Olmert said that Germany should curtail its commercial ties with Iran and that the interests of private businessmen in Germany should not influence German policy regarding Iran.

Germany will assume the rotating European Union presidency on January 1, 2007, and aides to Olmert say that his close ties with Merkel will avail Israel of a friendly interlocutor in matters having to do with the Palestinians.

Olmert and Merkel met officially Tuesday at the Chancellery in Berlin.

Prior to the meeting, Olmert addressed a ceremony commemorating the victims of the Holocaust at Grunewald Station's Platform 17 in Berlin.

"Woe are the weak and defenseless. Woe is he who refuses to believe the words of those who threaten to destroy him. Woe is the complacent man that fails to use his weapons to foil danger. Woe is he who entertains the delusion that he is beyond harm, and that is dependent upon the kindness of strangers," said Olmert in his address, adding that this is the main lesson of the Holocaust, and that "this is a lesson that Israel has learned and memorized."

Olmert will also meet the German President, Horst Kohler, Tuesday and Wednesday will leave Germany for Italy where he is scheduled to meet Prime Minister Romano Prodi and the Pope, Benedict XVI.

Lets see that would be the neighbor who repeatedly says we want to wipe Isreal off the face of the earth.
The neighbor who denies that 6,000,000 Jews were killed in the Hollocaust.
The neighbor who wants to kill 6,000,000 more Jews before he reflects further on defeating the US.
The neighbor who kicks young people out of the thier universities because they dare to speak out against a tin horn dictator?

Only right he has is to shoot himself.
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: yllus
There really is no "legitimate right" to the bomb, so I'm not sure why Israel having it would give its neighbours the green light. You either have nukes or you don't, only the have-nots whine about legitimacy.

Personally I'd trust Israel with nuclear arms over almost any other nation whose name starts with an "I".

What do you have against Icelanders?
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Um, I don't think the fact that Israel has nukes means other Arab nations have the right to have nukes.

Why not? Is Israel better than the arabs? Did God gave Israel a right to have nukes but not arab states? What's your logic behind that statement or is it just a simple opinion?

Oh, plenty of reasons there:

1. Israel is a western democracy, practicing freedom of speech and human rights (of course, there are some inherent problems with the region and the population, but at least it tries)

2. Israel is allied with the west. As the only judge in this case is the western countries and public opinion in these countries - I mean, were it for Zimbabwe, every country could have had nukes - Israel can have such weapons

3. Israel has never opened war with any other country - all the major war Israel took part in were initiated by neighbouring Arab countries

4. Israel hasn't said, even ONCE - and you might try to show otherwise - that it aims to exterminate any country or ethnic group, unlike other countries in the region

5. Israel shown maturity by never threatening, let along attacking with nuclear force, even when presented with real, tangible danger (Yum Kippur war; First Gulf war, etc.)

6. Israel didn't act to eliminate neighboring countries even when it was presented with good opportunities. It very well could have destroyed Syria for example and didn't.

7. Israel is the only country whose legitimacy is put in question by other countries

So I'd say that while having nukes is generally bad idea, reality forces such weapons. And if anyone is entitled to have them, that would be Israel.

Besides, Arab countries know Israel has nukes for years. It's a very well known secret. They only reason for nuclear proliferation right now is Iran; Countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia are much more troubled by the nuclear activities of Iran than they've ever been by Israel's. Perhaps they know these weapons might be used against them one day.

Actually I believe Israel did initiate one of their wars because they had a feeling that they were about to be invaded.

I could be wrong on this.