Oops! Biden's turn in the Classified Documents barrel.

[fskimospy]

Yea, it is a systemic problem. I worked for the VA in a very low level medical research position. Even there we were not allowed to take documents home, and any e-mails containing patient information or clinical data had to be sent over an encrypted network. Seem like the higher up in the government one goes, the less attention is paid to security. There simply has to be more accountability.

I hate to break it to you:

Healthcare Data Breach Statistics

Healthcare data breach statistics from 2009 to 2024 in the United States, HIPAA violation statistics, and fines and penalties.

www.hipaajournal.com

In 2022, an average of 1.94 healthcare data breaches of 500 or more records were reported each day.

That’s a minimum of about 1,000 ‘classified’ information breaches every single day. Every. Single. Day.

 

[hal2kilo]

Classified documents just found in Mike Pence's home.

First on CNN: Classified documents found at Pence's Indiana home | CNN Politics

A lawyer for former Vice President Mike Pence discovered about a dozen documents marked as classified at Pence's Indiana home last week, and he has turned those classified records over to the FBI, multiple sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

www.cnn.com

Hoping these discoveries may motivate the current and future administration to be a little more careful with classified docs? I know that POTUS/VP's will take working copies of documents with them when going home, but someone's got to be responsible for returning or shredding them.

Oops! There goes another rubber tree plant.

 

[hal2kilo]

See what I mean, @blackangst1? I don’t think Pence did this on purpose, it’s just a common occurrence.

Administrations (ok, not Trump) spend a lot of time and effort on classified material control. In my opinion the problem is the volume of classified material is so huge, there are so many people involved, and by necessity it is mixed with unclassified information that mistakes are inevitable. I think the scandal here is people never realized that this happens all the time and thought the government works like a Tom Clancy novel or something.

One thing that would help is to sharply limit what the US government considers classified but good luck with that. Outside of that or an enormous expenditure of resources and impediment to the functions of government we should accept that this happens and will always happen.

This isn’t to say that we should abandon attempts to control it and it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t criticize those who make those mistakes and/or punish people when merited. It’s that we should understand reality.

Up until 9/11 they actively downgraded the clearances for the shop I was supporting. Which caused quite a few headaches, when someone up there decided that we would collect all of the patrol navigation data with the new upgraded data acquisition system. Some of the shop guys couldn't support the equipment until their clearances finished being upgraded. Oh, they were told ahead of time, but I have found with experience that the government works in mysterious ways sometimes.

 

[eelw]

I hate all these congress critters, how dare Biden, Pence, etc take these classified documents outside a secured facility. Umm POTUS/VP need to view these documents wherever they are. These individuals can’t be restricted to a scif unlike congress critters. And yes Pence didn’t remove documents at the end of his administration unlike his orange boss

 

[IronWing]

And yes Pence didn’t remove documents at the end of his administration unlike his orange boss

I don't know, man. Maybe that's why Trump wanted him hanged.

 

[feralkid]

Oops! There goes another rubber tree plant.

Yep, all the cool kids do it, I guess...


This will likely further embolden House Republicans who have been clamoring to investigate how classified documents ended up in Biden’s home and post-vice presidential office. NOT.


Lastly, what will Mother think of all this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/24/pence-classified-documents-home/

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I went back and reread every single one of your posts (don’t you feel special) and I can’t find a single post that indicates that you understand why the cases are different and why they were handled different. You did acknowledge they were different but there isn’t a single post that shows you actually understand the difference. So which of these posts am I not reading right?



I see this post which shows your ignorance of the facts of the matter.










I see this post where you got the facts wrong again and admitted to it.






Here you acknowledge there are differences but you don’t articulate what they are.


I see you speculating with zero info to back up your opinion.


This is a weird question to be asking if you already understand and know the difference.


Here you state that the difference is the warrant which is almost correct but then you incorrectly cite what the real issue is.


More opinion without a factual basis.




A double down on inaccurate information, information that I’m almost positive was already given to you the first time you made the claim.










You acknowledge that they are two different situations but you seem to not understand why they were handled different.



So is it poor reading on my part? Or will this be yet another correction you’ve had to make in this thread? Honestly I don’t care if you answer or acknowledge that, I just want you to articulate why the two situations are different.

Every situation is different, but you can't get away from the FACT that Biden has illegally taken and possessed Top Secret/classified documents for well over a decade and stored them in extremely insecure locations.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Ahh good you are back have you found the evidence to back up you claim of intent by Biden that i asked to to provide a couple pages ago?

Why would i try to prove intent? it doesn't matter.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

See what I mean, @blackangst1? I don’t think Pence did this on purpose, it’s just a common occurrence.

Administrations (ok, not Trump) spend a lot of time and effort on classified material control. In my opinion the problem is the volume of classified material is so huge, there are so many people involved, and by necessity it is mixed with unclassified information that mistakes are inevitable. I think the scandal here is people never realized that this happens all the time and thought the government works like a Tom Clancy novel or something.

One thing that would help is to sharply limit what the US government considers classified but good luck with that. Outside of that or an enormous expenditure of resources and impediment to the functions of government we should accept that this happens and will always happen.

This isn’t to say that we should abandon attempts to control it and it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t criticize those who make those mistakes and/or punish people when merited. It’s that we should understand reality.

Lol, "it's just a common occurrence" and it's perfectly OK to possess classified/top secret documents unless it's someone we don't like.

 

[fskimospy]

Taj:

Innocent until proven guilty, it's no surprise to me that fascists like you want to send innocents to the camps.

Also Taj:

Every situation is different, but you can't get away from the FACT that Biden has illegally taken and possessed Top Secret/classified documents for well over a decade and stored them in extremely insecure locations.

lol.

 

[fskimospy]

Lol, "it's just a common occurrence" and it's perfectly OK to possess classified/top secret documents unless it's someone we don't like.

Nah, the part I didn't like was the willful refusal to return top secret documents even under subpoena and then the lies to the government about it. You are apparently fine with lying to the government to keep top secret/SCI documents as long as it's someone you like.

 

[K1052]

I think a few things can be true at the same time:

1) elected officials have been historically careless about some classified material
2) the classification system has issues and likely too many things are deemed classified
3) intentionally lying to the government that you have classified materials is bad and illegal

Only one guy managed to trip over #3 and proclaim that he did so to the world.

 

[feralkid]

I think a few things can be true at the same time:

1) elected officials have been historically careless about some classified material
2) the classification system has issues and likely too many things are deemed classified
3) intentionally lying to the government that you have classified materials is bad and illegal

Only one guy managed to trip over #3 and proclaim that he did so to the world.

If I may:

2(a) Conversely, some material which *should* be classified is sometimes overlooked.

 

[K1052]

If I may:

2(a) Conversely, some material which *should* be classified is sometimes overlooked.

Sure though that's likely a lot smaller issue than the vast amount of stuff that gets classified to dodge FOIA.

 

[emperus]

I think a few things can be true at the same time:

1) elected officials have been historically careless about some classified material
2) the classification system has issues and likely too many things are deemed classified
3) intentionally lying to the government that you have classified materials is bad and illegal

Only one guy managed to trip over #3 and proclaim that he did so to the world.

This is what is so crazy about Trump. All he had to do was give the documents back.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This is what is so crazy about Trump. All he had to do was give the documents back.

but how would he brag without his brag swag?

 

[feralkid]

Sure though that's likely a lot smaller issue than the vast amount of stuff that gets classified to dodge FOIA.

Agreed, no doubt.

 

[HomerJS]

Why would i try to prove intent? it doesn't matter.

You fucking moron. You've been quoted the law almost a dozen times yet you stick to your delusion

 

[Lanyap]

JFC it looks like employees of the NARA aren't actually doing their job. Checking out classified documents should be a lot like checking out books at a local library as others have pointed out. When documents are not checked back in to the archive someone there should be requesting them back. It's damn sure not rocket science. The very thought of government employees receiving pay and not doing their jobs, oh the horror.

If republicans want to investigate something legitimate they can start here.

I'm sure we'll see more government officials checking for this.

 

[pcgeek11]

Ok? Do you agree or disagree? If not why?

OK = I agree with what you said.

 

[Lanyap]

It's time to check Gym Jordan's shorts.

 

[pcgeek11]

It's time to check Gym Jordan's shorts.

We'll let you handle that.

 

[ElFenix]

Yea, it is a systemic problem. I worked for the VA in a very low level medical research position. Even there we were not allowed to take documents home, and any e-mails containing patient information or clinical data had to be sent over an encrypted network. Seem like the higher up in the government one goes, the less attention is paid to security. There simply has to be more accountability.

are we still hyphenating that term? and why does the plural get an 's' when mail is already plural?

 

[woolfe9998]

See what I mean, @blackangst1? I don’t think Pence did this on purpose, it’s just a common occurrence.

Administrations (ok, not Trump) spend a lot of time and effort on classified material control. In my opinion the problem is the volume of classified material is so huge, there are so many people involved, and by necessity it is mixed with unclassified information that mistakes are inevitable. I think the scandal here is people never realized that this happens all the time and thought the government works like a Tom Clancy novel or something.

One thing that would help is to sharply limit what the US government considers classified but good luck with that. Outside of that or an enormous expenditure of resources and impediment to the functions of government we should accept that this happens and will always happen.

This isn’t to say that we should abandon attempts to control it and it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t criticize those who make those mistakes and/or punish people when merited. It’s that we should understand reality.

I think these kinds of mistakes are easily avoidable, actually. It's sloppy, but it's also a product of the common circumstance that a POTUS or VP is extremely busy and may not pay any attention to what becomes of working copies that they take home or to a personal office. I don't know if they take a staffer with them if they mean to work at home. Either way, this is not an unsolvable problem.

 

[IronWing]

are we still hyphenating that term? and why does the plural get an 's' when mail is already plural?

Why is it hyphenating instead of hyphening? That's like orientating.