Oops! Biden's turn in the Classified Documents barrel.

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hal2kilo

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Well, obviously that "tiered system" isn't working or I don't understand it correctly. It is more that there is no system of control. Some politician in a SCIF gets handed a piece of paper, folds it up and puts it in a coat pocket and leaves with it. Who stops them and frisks them? And would they consent to this? I seem to recall a fuss being made by specific Congresspersons having to go through metal detectors at the Capitol. I suspect there are numerous politicians from any and all sides of the ideological spectrum who absolutely would not consent to a pat-down anytime they are around papers that have classified data on them.

I would imagine there are a few people out there who are checking their homes, cars and garages shoveling documents into their fireplaces right now rather than facing accountability. Is this a good thing? Or would it be better to know who has access to things they shouldn’t have any more? Because as it stands, we know that papers will follow people home no matter what and a certain dipshit with malign intentions can load up fifteen - twenty banker boxes of CD and refuse to give them back.
Simple question, why is there no record of who has these documents kept somewhere, accounting of items that are supposed to be in their classified safe? There was when I had access to them. Oh, yea, I'm was just a grunt.
 
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Simple question, why is there no record of who has these documents kept somewhere, accounting of items that are supposed to be in their classified safe? There was when I had access to them. Oh, yea, I'm was just a grunt.

Well, you did just answer your own question. I, too, had all sorts of hoops to maintain spinning and simultaneously to jump thru when I dealt with classified material, but when if you've ever noticed, the higher in the classified foodchain you get, the less care seems to be put on the classified material. Certainly not from the highest placed people with access, like a Pres. or VP.

Also, no clue as to the classification of the materials found in Biden's or Pence's abodes. Confidential status is still classified, but confidential info has broken/appeared in newspapers with little-to-no consequence.
 
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eelw

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Also, no clue as to the classification of the materials found in Biden's or Pence's abodes. Confidential status is still classified, but confidential info has broken/appeared in newspapers with little-to-no consequence.
Inside source says Pence stuff just like Biden and it was briefing material preparing VP for meeting. A lot of this info is generally only relevant at that time and the info is very likely stale after all these years. Biden’s was found in a manilla envelope. While Pence, his was stuffed in the flap in binders.
 
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eelw

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Turner is like Rand Paul. Seems intelligent and reasonable. But then they go all conspiracy and twist themselves into pretzels when their own words are used against them when defending the orange monkey. Like should we trust him with intelligence information when he blatantly lies in attempt to smear Biden?
 
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What a surprise, liberal deep state FBI going hard after Biden:
 
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New search of a Biden home.

Of course it's not his fault, of course there is no "intent", of course there's no warrant. It looks as if his "team of lawyers" just haven't done a very good job of uncovering his stash of classified documents.
 
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New search of a Biden home.

Of course it's not his fault, of course there is no "intent", of course there's no warrant. It looks as if his "team of lawyers" just haven't done a very good job of uncovering his stash of classified documents.

It's part of the special counsel investigation ya dumb fuck, and Biden is cooperating unlike someone else we know you worship.
 

fskimospy

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New search of a Biden home.

Of course it's not his fault, of course there is no "intent", of course there's no warrant. It looks as if his "team of lawyers" just haven't done a very good job of uncovering his stash of classified documents.
They did it because he asked them to, genius. Of course there would be no warrant.

Remember, had Trump done what Biden is doing he wouldn’t be in trouble.

In interesting related news it appears the search of Mar A Lago was not requested by the archives but was instead initiated by the DOJ after they discovered Trump lied to the federal government in response to a subpoena, which is of course a crime in and of itself in addition to the crime of intentionally stealing highly classified documents.

Taj, as someone who clearly takes classified information very seriously can I assume you agree that Trump should face prosecution for both these crimes?
 

Lanyap

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New search of a Biden home.

Of course it's not his fault, of course there is no "intent", of course there's no warrant. It looks as if his "team of lawyers" just haven't done a very good job of uncovering his stash of classified documents.



I bet Biden has these documents stashed at all of his homes and work locations. Go get 'em FBI.

Oh wait, nevermind, that was trump. Biden is cooperating with authorities.
 

outriding

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New search of a Biden home.

Of course it's not his fault, of course there is no "intent", of course there's no warrant. It looks as if his "team of lawyers" just haven't done a very good job of uncovering his stash of classified documents.


When are you going to answer my question about how did you know the contents of the documents Biden have?
 

eelw

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Search complete. Close sources say nothing found. Waits for Taj post saying FBI is lying by protecting him or time to raid Hunter’s place.
 
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Search complete. Close sources say nothing found. Waits for Taj post saying FBI is lying by protecting him or time to raid Hunter’s place.
What I like is how seamlessly they transition from 'the FBI has been weaponized against poor conservatives by Evil Brandon' to 'the FBI is searching Evil Brandon's properties, which means he's guilty'.

EDIT: Another interesting part of this is the reason why they keep searching Biden properties and not more Trump properties is that Biden gave them the green light to search whatever they wanted while Trump continues to fight tooth and nail against any further searches of him. Gee, I wonder why.
 

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New search of a Biden home.

Of course it's not his fault, of course there is no "intent", of course there's no warrant. It looks as if his "team of lawyers" just haven't done a very good job of uncovering his stash of classified documents.
Liars get warrants. Just comply and everything will be ok.
 

Paratus

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For those that like YT videos here’s a reasonable breakdown on Biden’s classified documents issue and potential legal exposure.
The TL;DW
  • Retaining classified documents is bad
  • Willful acts to retain or hide documents are required to be legally culpable which available information doesn’t support for Biden as Biden has returned all documents found and invited the FBI in to search for more.
  • OR Gross Negligence which in a court setting is a very high bar prove. (Simple negligence is not enough to be legally culpable which accidental retention of classified documents has fallen under in the past.)
  • Biden is currently president and DOJ policy doesn’t allow for federal prosecution anyway


None of this should be surprising to anyone except for @imported_tajmahal
 
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When are you going to answer my question about how did you know the contents of the documents Biden have?
What question and when? It's not as if i spend much time here. They were reported by Biden and his team of lawyers as classified documents. As far as i know they're still in the middle of a cover-up and no one outside of his administration has seen said documents. The National Archives were instructed by the Biden administration to release no information on the discoveries (which is why it took months for the information to become public)


So far we really only know what the Biden administration has allowed us to know. As i said, the cover-up is still ongoing.
 
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For those that like YT videos here’s a reasonable breakdown on Biden’s classified documents issue and potential legal exposure.
The TL;DW
  • Retaining classified documents is bad
  • Willful acts to retain or hide documents are required to be legally culpable which available information doesn’t support for Biden as Biden has returned all documents found and invited the FBI in to search for more.
  • OR Gross Negligence which in a court setting is a very high bar prove. (Simple negligence is not enough to be legally culpable which accidental retention of classified documents has fallen under in the past.)
  • Biden is currently president and DOJ policy doesn’t allow for federal prosecution anyway


None of this should be surprising to anyone except for @imported_tajmahal
How did Senator Biden remove the classified documents without knowing he did it? It's not as if a staffer could have procured them for him.
 

Paratus

Lifer
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How did Senator Biden remove the classified documents without knowing he did it? It's not as if a staffer could have procured them for him.
Potentially the same way as Vice President and President.

Senators get to see confidential information and are given confidential briefings. At the end of their terms their offices get packed up with the help of staffers. If any confidential files have gotten commingled with regular files and staffers are hurrying to pack it up then you end up with confidential files sitting in your closet or garage.

Quite frankly since Biden & Pence & AG Gonzales have all accidentally found confidential files improperly stored in their homes and offices the whole process needs to be revamped with better training, document monitoring and probably being more conservative on what actually ends up as classified.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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How did Senator Biden remove the classified documents without knowing he did it? It's not as if a staffer could have procured them for him.

Tell us you know absolutely nothing about how classified information works without actually telling us you know absolutely nothing about how classified information works.