Ooops! Abstinence not working...!?!!

[AnitaPeterson]

As per BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6927733.stm

I find it highly amusing and satisfying that the stupidity of the ultrareligious-inspired abstinence program is being dealt a serious blow from human nature itself. "Jesus Camp" vs. Darwin and Kinsey, the irony is delicious!

I'm waiting for something similar to happen to the Creationism museum... by the way, has anyone read the Ruthless Reviews gonzo piece from the official opening of said museum?

http://ruthlessreviews.com/rev...pless_creationist.html

 

[umbrella39]

Very interesting. I would have bet money that abstinence programs would have at least risen the age of lost virginity! I guess human nature wins every time.

 

[b0mbrman]

Since this doesn't work, what solution would you recommend?

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Since this doesn't work, what solution would you recommend?

Condoms + birth control pills. Was that really that hard?

 

[Jhhnn]

Since this doesn't work, what solution would you recommend?

Sheesh- read the linked article before commenting, OK?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Since this doesn't work, what solution would you recommend?

Condoms + birth control pills. Was that really that hard?

You're answering a different question than the one these groups are asking.

 

[Jhhnn]

What groups, b0mbrman?

 

[senseamp]

Hmm, I need to find me some ladies to go get our abstinence on

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
What groups, b0mbrman?

He's probably talking about how abstinence is for stopping sex while condoms + birth control pills are for preventing pregnancy. The distinction is only relevant when taking into account certain religions.

 

[shortylickens]

Abstinence doesnt work because its totally unnatural. Mother nature knows your life is finite and wants you to reproduce so the species can continue. The survivial instinct is the stongest one that humans have.
I guess since religion doesnt like the idea of mother nature they cant acknowledge the powerful drive of human sexuality.

 

[Newfie]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Since this doesn't work, what solution would you recommend?

Sex education. The risks involved and what you can do to protect yourself. Sex is human nature and you cannot change human nature.

 

[ericlp]

However, such groups have so far failed to gain the foothold they have in the US where a third of the President's HIV budget is given to abstinence programmes.

Jeee, can you actually comprehend this? This idiot is spending a third of the HIV (AIDS) budget on abstinence????????? What a moron! There is only one ... AND only one item that is effective with aids and that is a condom. I say we start installing the condom machines back on the wall in high schools around the nation.

The distinction is only relevant when taking into account certain religions? Well, what's next are we going to have certain religions that don't believe in driving cars are we all going to give up our automobiles? Maybe some of those overweight religious freaks will start walking to church? Maybe a good thing eh?

Researchers found none of the abstinence-only programmes had an impact on the age at which individuals lost their virginity, whether they had unprotected sex, the number of sexual partners, the rates of sexually transmitted diseases or the number of pregnancies.

One trial did show a short-term benefit with participants reporting that they were less likely to have had sex in the month following one abstinence-only programme.

Well, I guess a few 200 billion spent so kids won't get AIDS for the first month! Boy it's working alright...

This compared to programmes that promote the use of condoms which greatly reduce the risk of HIV, the BMJ reported.

Lead author Kristen Underhill said: "Our analysis suggests that abstinence-only programmes that aim to prevent HIV are not effective.

Hahaha damn, Tell me it ain't so! What moron could have known? How much of a brain do you need to come to this conclusion?

It always amazes me how this is so down played I can't wait for bush to leave office...

 

[senseamp]

Was there any research done on effectiveness of abstinence only education before we blew those billions, or was it a faith based initiative that only required ideological faith in its effectiveness to be approved?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Since this doesn't work, what solution would you recommend?

Condoms + birth control pills. Was that really that hard?

BC pills do not protect against STD's, and condoms make sex much less desirable.

It is certainly no surprise that abstinence programs aren't working, and it's also no surprise that the finding is so celebrated.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Was there any research done on effectiveness of abstinence only education before we blew those billions, or was it a faith based initiative that only required ideological faith in its effectiveness to be approved?

Republicans had to reward their church buddies that voted them in somehow.

 

[Lemon law]

Can any see the lack of logic here---a bunch of non-virgins get together and try to relive their moral failings because their flesh was weak. And ask a new generation to have a stronger spirit than they had. And derive guidance from a moral code and book they paid no attention to.

But the real tragedy is in the failure to educate the young on preventing pregnancy and the spread of STD's. The arrogance is in assuming that the program will always work when in fact studies show it has zero effect. And the lack of education then somewhat acquires a God will then punish you sub-logic.

 

[Jhhnn]

Was there any research done on effectiveness of abstinence only education before we blew those billions, or was it a faith based initiative that only required ideological faith in its effectiveness to be approved?

They used their usual switch the standards methodology. Instead of following up on the results of pilot programs, they relied on exit polls from those participating...

Very scientific, and least in the community of the Faithful...

Abstinence only sex-ed isn't really supposed to have the stated effects, anyway, but rather to make sure that there are plenty of suffering sinners to serve as examples...

 

[Lemon law]

The other thing to realize is that sex really has only two really bad side effects. Namely unwanted pregnancies and STD'd. Otherwise its almost all good. And then to say abstinence is the answer in a society where sex sells, is like trying to paddle up Niagara Falls. And the other message is equally incomprehensible---as they say sex is a precious gift to be saved for marriage, but until then you should enter marriage totally ignorant about sex. It may sell to the brain before the raging hormones kick in, but curiosity can't be expected to withstand all the years of peer pressure plus raging hormones.

 

[newmachineoverlord]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Was there any research done on effectiveness of abstinence only education before we blew those billions, or was it a faith based initiative that only required ideological faith in its effectiveness to be approved?

It was already well known to researchers in the field by the end of the 20th century that "abstinence only" education had been shown to be completely ineffective at achieving all of its alleged objectives. In some studies it was shown to slightly decrease condom usage, thus increasing HIV and teen pregnancy. I remember from a class I took back in 2001.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/si...sPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

 

[ericlp]

What really blows me away is that we are spending billions yet fail to spend any of it on a 10 cent device that is effective and proven with out doubt. WTF?????????

OK, guess who's pockets we are lining with this corruption stunt? Anyone? Anyone care to guess?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: ericlp
What really blows me away is that we are spending billions yet fail to spend any of it on a 10 cent device that is effective and proven with out doubt. WTF?????????

OK, guess who's pockets we are lining with this corruption stunt? Anyone? Anyone care to guess?

Yea, giving away free condoms will solve all of these problems. Thats like giving out free bullet proof vests in the inner cities to bring down the murder rate.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: ericlp
What really blows me away is that we are spending billions yet fail to spend any of it on a 10 cent device that is effective and proven with out doubt. WTF?????????

OK, guess who's pockets we are lining with this corruption stunt? Anyone? Anyone care to guess?

Yea, giving away free condoms will solve all of these problems. Thats like giving out free bullet proof vests in the inner cities to bring down the murder rate.

No, it's not...you lose at analogy.

The end goal of teenage sex education is preventing the negative side effects of sex, like pregnancy and STDs. That being the goal, free condoms are one of the best solutions out there. Now if your goal is preventing teens from having sex at all, which would be more in line with your analogy, at least be honest and upfront about it...and I wish you the best of luck

 

[johnnobts]

The end goal of teenage sex education is preventing the negative side effects of sex, like pregnancy and STDs.
-________

guess what? sex has more side effects than merely physical ones. its more than just a physical, biological act. if you think its not a big deal than i feel sorry for people who have had sex with you.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Since this doesn't work, what solution would you recommend?

How about the same programs they have in every other industrialized country in the world?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
The end goal of teenage sex education is preventing the negative side effects of sex, like pregnancy and STDs.
-________

guess what? sex has more side effects than merely physical ones. its more than just a physical, biological act. if you think its not a big deal than i feel sorry for people who have had sex with you.

Of course it's more than just a biological act (where did I say otherwise?), I simply disagree that the other side effects are negative ones. While I think sex CAN be just two people having fun, it can also be a lot more...I just can't see any good reason to prevent teenagers from having it besides unwanted pregnancy and STDs...which are better prevented with other methods.