Only six percent of scientists are Republicans

[microbial]

Originally posted by: Vic
It's hard for anyone with the slightest hint of the ability for critical thinking and who is not monarchist to be able to badmouth the word 'liberal' all day (as though the political philosophy of representative govt tempered by the rule of law is something evil). And because the latter is what the GOP currently requires of its members, people with objective thinking skills (like scientists) are going to be hesitant to admit their membership.

Yes, hesitant to admit GOP membership, or outright hesitant to become GOP members. Either way 6% is interesting.

I know quite a few scientist-most of my friends and co-workers are such- and I have yet to meet one that had any kind of distaste for the title of liberal. Most embrace the characterization as a complement.

Far from character assassination, scientists are clearly not the kind of people whose knees convulse violently at the mere mention of the "L" word.

Specious, facile and superficial Rush-type arguments and discourse (lots of e.gs. in this thread) are inherently unsatisfactory and often insulting to scientists. They may even be seen as attacks against science. Attack logical coherent thought, and you attack science in general.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: BigJelly

Originally posted by: Engineer
LOL. By the way, I think many on here don't classifly Conservative = Republican (for whatever reason).

Bingo. I am a conservative and a chemist.

While in academia I had to be a closet conservative because many liberals in college are openingly hostile to conservatives. Young minds are easily manipulated and when most if not all of their professors are liberal (easy to be a liberal when they can live in a bubble), they relate liberal means professor = smart; therefore, conservatives = dumb.

That's the main reason; it's just basic close minded liberal elitism. Mind you not all of them, but the vocal ones.

Disagree. Any vocal liberal can tell the difference between a dumb conservative and a smart conservative. No one thought William Buckley was an idiot, and no liberal thinks that a person is mentally deficient simply because they favor smaller government and lower taxes.

The problem for conservatives is Republicans claim to be their voice, and when you have someone like Palin, who represents a celebration of know-nothingness, as the voice of the party, you lose credibility in people who value intelligence and intellectual curiosity. The conservative intelligencia and pundits broke ranks and many outright endorsed Obama from fear of Palin getting anywhere near the oval office. In 2008 the higher-educated fled from the Republican ticket as if it had leprosy. Three Republican presidential contenders proudly raised their hands at a debate when asked if they didn't believe in evolution.

It's not just liberals or the educated who were put off recently. The Rep party is at its lowest ebb in decades, and many former Reps now self-identify as Independents, even if they vote more or less the same way.

I recognize that being in the Federalist Society on most campuses is probably going to earn you grief from college kids who tend to be liberal for a host of reasons, mostly due to their age and marital status. But looking at just the responses in this thread and others from conservatives about how education is overrated, and Ivy League doesn't mean anything, and science/academia is for people who don't want to get real jobs, etc., it's hard to deny the undercurrent of victimization the right claims exists.

First Bold:
Um, yeah, you haven't been around P/N long have you? People here will (as evidenced by this thread and many others) will froth at the mouth about how dumb conservatives are.

Second Bold:
I've never seen such claims. Especially not in this thread. In fact, the majority of conservatives I know say "go to school and get an education." If anything, the liberal push is "Just follow your heart!".

I do agree with you that the republican party sucks right now. It has been run into the ground.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Way to cherry pick data.

Only 55% call themselves Democrats.

So a fairly large percentage of scientists understand that both parties have their heads up their collective asses.

So 55% vs 6% and you don't see that as an alarming gap... Cherry picking doesn't begin to describe it.

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Critical thinking skills?

:laugh:

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: EXman
Repubs have to make the money for the educrats to spend. Cause Libs are not as good at running businesses. Well it is hard to run a business when you never leave a college campus!

Just putting that out there.

Actually the smarter people get the more egotistal they get. That lends itself to Democrats!

Just an Opinion from years at listening to all these AT Dem know-it-alls...

:beer: I'm not affiliated with either party i think they are both silly!

Yet College Campuses seem to be the most stable institution during an economic meltdown. Wonder why that is...

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Republicans believe in creationism... scientists don't.

democrats believe in getting something for nothing, scientists don't.

There, you see how silly your statement is?

Ummm... no actually I don't. Your statment is the silly one. 99% of republicans believe in creationism and like 1% of scientists probably do(my rough guess) and since most republican policies are based around this belief why would scientists be inclined to be republican? I think your are defensive because of your own insecurities.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Republicans believe in creationism... scientists don't.

democrats believe in getting something for nothing, scientists don't.

There, you see how silly your statement is?

Ummm... no actually I don't. Your statment is the silly one. 99% of republicans believe in creationism and like 1% of scientists probably do(my rough guess) and since most republican policies are based around this belief why would scientists be inclined to be republican? I think your are defensive because of your own insecurities.

Your numbers are demonstrably false. The unfortunate fact is that way too many fucking people in this country of both parties believe idiotic things, even if in this instance a few more reps than dems believe this crud.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108...iffer-Creationism.aspx

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: jonks
Any vocal liberal can tell the difference between a dumb conservative and a smart conservative. No one thought William Buckley was an idiot, and no liberal thinks that a person is mentally deficient simply because they favor smaller government and lower taxes.

Um, yeah, you haven't been around P/N long have you? People here will (as evidenced by this thread and many others) will froth at the mouth about how dumb conservatives are.

People here certainly call conservatives dumb when they espouse idiotic positions or celebrate and support someone like Palin for the highest office in the world. Palin is more popular and has more support now for national office than she did before she quit her first term as a governor. She went to 5 undergrads and tried to be a tv personality, becamse a small town mayor and governor for a couple of years before quitting, but because she is "one of the people" the majority of the republican party according to recent polls wants her to rule the free world, over much more emminently qualified republican candidates. I don't want "one of the people" to rule the free world, I want a goddamn superior specimen of demonstrated intellect, thoughtfulness, and knowledge. Celebrating ignorance is not an admirable quality, and when you do so, people will think you lack good judgment, and yes, intelligence.

But that's not what I said. I said no one calls conservatives dumb SIMPLY for arguing for smaller government and lower taxes.

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Republicans believe in creationism... scientists don't.

democrats believe in getting something for nothing, scientists don't.

There, you see how silly your statement is?

Ummm... no actually I don't. Your statment is the silly one. 99% of republicans believe in creationism and like 1% of scientists probably do(my rough guess) and since most republican policies are based around this belief why would scientists be inclined to be republican? I think your are defensive because of your own insecurities.

Your numbers are demonstrably false. The unfortunate fact is that way too many fucking people in this country of both parties believe idiotic things, even if in this instance a few more reps than dems believe this crud.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108...iffer-Creationism.aspx

oh soorrry it was 96%...lol. And the other 4% have to be willing to vote for people that believe this fantasy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Republicans believe in creationism... scientists don't.

democrats believe in getting something for nothing, scientists don't.

There, you see how silly your statement is?

Ummm... no actually I don't. Your statment is the silly one. 99% of republicans believe in creationism and like 1% of scientists probably do(my rough guess) and since most republican policies are based around this belief why would scientists be inclined to be republican? I think your are defensive because of your own insecurities.

Your numbers are demonstrably false. The unfortunate fact is that way too many fucking people in this country of both parties believe idiotic things, even if in this instance a few more reps than dems believe this crud.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108...iffer-Creationism.aspx

oh soorrry it was 96%...lol. And the other 4% have to be willing to vote for people that believe this fantasy.

100% of this poster can't read.

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Republicans believe in creationism... scientists don't.

democrats believe in getting something for nothing, scientists don't.

There, you see how silly your statement is?

Ummm... no actually I don't. Your statment is the silly one. 99% of republicans believe in creationism and like 1% of scientists probably do(my rough guess) and since most republican policies are based around this belief why would scientists be inclined to be republican? I think your are defensive because of your own insecurities.

Your numbers are demonstrably false. The unfortunate fact is that way too many fucking people in this country of both parties believe idiotic things, even if in this instance a few more reps than dems believe this crud.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108...iffer-Creationism.aspx

oh soorrry it was 96%...lol. And the other 4% have to be willing to vote for people that believe this fantasy.

100% of this poster can't read.

Given as there is pretty much NO way an atheist could be elected in this country any person who does not believe in God is forced to vote for someone who does (or at leasts proclaims to). What you are really saying is that only 4% of Republicans vote for someone they think believes fairy tales are true whereas 17% of Democrats do. Numbers can be made to say pretty much anything you want them to. This thread is so full of silly stereotypes its funny. As if every Republican was an evangelical christian and every democrat was a free thinker. The fact of the matter is that most people no matter what their affiliation believe TONS of completely idiotic things on faith. One can point out that most people have never been on the moon for example, so how do we know it even happened unless we have faith that the people saying it did are trustworthy?

 

[Red Dawn]

I wonder what percentage of Fundie Young Earth Televangelist are Republicans?

 

[alchemize]

I wonder what percentage of male hairstylists are democrats?

Remember Kerry vs. Bush numbers, where clearly more less educated people voted for Kerry based on exit polls? Whee this is so fun and divisive!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: microbial

Originally posted by: Vic
It's hard for anyone with the slightest hint of the ability for critical thinking and who is not monarchist to be able to badmouth the word 'liberal' all day (as though the political philosophy of representative govt tempered by the rule of law is something evil). And because the latter is what the GOP currently requires of its members, people with objective thinking skills (like scientists) are going to be hesitant to admit their membership.

Yes, hesitant to admit GOP membership, or outright hesitant to become GOP members. Either way 6% is interesting.

I know quite a few scientist-most of my friends and co-workers are such- and I have yet to meet one that had any kind of distaste for the title of liberal. Most embrace the characterization as a complement.

Far from character assassination, scientists are clearly not the kind of people whose knees convulse violently at the mere mention of the "L" word.

Specious, facile and superficial Rush-type arguments and discourse (lots of e.gs. in this thread) are inherently unsatisfactory and often insulting to scientists. They may even be seen as attacks against science. Attack logical coherent thought, and you attack science in general.

Very true. The irony here is that scientists are generally very conservative in the true meaning of that word. Very defensive of status quo and resistant to any challenges to existing theory. I suppose the issue there is that what is called 'conservative' in American politics today is actually reactionary.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I wonder what percentage of male hairstylists are democrats?

I bet you're the only one that isn't.

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: Vic

Very true. The irony here is that scientists are generally very conservative in the true meaning of that word. Very defensive of status quo and resistant to any challenges to existing theory. I suppose the issue there is that what is called 'conservative' in American politics today is actually reactionary.

No, scientists are not conservative. I mean fine, everyone has a conservative and a liberal side about them, but just because scientists are defensive about the theory of gravity or some other fact, doesn't mean they're conservative. I can bet you that if you asked most if it would be cool to come up with a new theory of relativity that had room for all the exceptions we see, they'd tell you "yes." If they were conservative, they'd never try to break the laws of physics in the first place because the status quo would be enough. That's the difference, all you're trying to do here is downplay conservative politics into tug and shove emotions. Both parties have their fair share of that, and none of it is worth discussing.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alchemize
I wonder what percentage of male hairstylists are democrats?

I bet you're the only one that isn't.

Wow, Red Dawn with the zinger! How long did it take you to think that one up? I stand humbled...