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BlancoNino

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Because we are the only true party that not only advocates, but pursues less government.

Because we understand that all people are inherently good.

Because we trust individuals.

Discuss.
 

RKS

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Aren't Libertarians just conservatives who smoke pot? :laugh:

Anyway, that's how I voted in the last election but I think this is a P&N discussion.


Discuss.
 

FoBoT

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i voted for harry browne in 2000, but i am not a Libertarian. i was living in GA at the time and knew for sure GA would go for Bush, so it wasn't a big deal to "send a message" by voting for Browne
not that it did any good
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
i voted for harry browne in 2000, but i am not a Libertarian. i was living in GA at the time and knew for sure GA would go for Bush, so it wasn't a big deal to "send a message" by voting for Browne
not that it did any good
Every vote counts man... :thumbsup:
 

acemcmac

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Mar 31, 2003
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I think I'm a libertarian.....

I'm *zealously* against gun control and the government doing ANYTHING to change the status quo on abortion. I think our entire governmnent is dominated by special interests (corperate welfare state) and I think the national deficit is the biggest threat to national security, not terrorists. The real terrorists are the ones who think that deficit spending doesent have the same impact as tax increases on long term economic growth (Ricardian equivalance theorim). You'd think they never took an intermediate macroeconomics class...
 

rgwalt

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I don't trust individuals. In fact, I expect that most people are idiots. However, I don't think that it is the governments responsibility to take care of people. People should be expected to take care of themselves, or seek help from other people. Welfare is force redistribution of wealth.

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dullard

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I'm pretty much halfway between being a Libertarian and a Democrat.

Libertarians tend to be correct in theory, however, that theory is simplified and rarely works in real life. And if the theory does work, it might take 500+ years for things to settle down and the benefits of the Libertarian ways to kick in.

I'm too impatient for that and I'm too much of a realist for that. I want realistic results now, not ideological results long after I'm dead. That is where my half Democrat side kicks in. We can slowly inch ourselves toward the Libertarian ideals with good laws/law changes. That way, we have realistic results now. Then next year, try again to inch closer to the Libertarian ideals.

I have voted Republican twice though (once as a write-in, and the write-in candidate won), when the other candidates were worse.
 

Vic

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This thread would be trolled and flamed to death even worse in P&N. The communists there are so upside-down and backwards about political theory (in the most Orwellian way) that they think they're liberals and that libertarians are anarchists. Typical posts would involve discussion about how selfish libertarians are for wanting to allow things like fairness, freedom, and equal rights, while they wax poetic about their personal utopist visions they would like to impose on everyone.
 

yllus

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No offense BlancoNino, but you don't strike me as anything close to a libertarian.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: dullard
I'm pretty much halfway between being a Libertarian and a Democrat.

Libertarians tend to be correct in theory, however, that theory is simplified and rarely works in real life. And if the theory does work, it might take 500+ years for things to settle down and the benefits of the Libertarian ways to kick in.

I'm too impatient for that and I'm too much of a realist for that. I want realistic results now, not ideological results long after I'm dead. That is where my half Democrat side kicks in. We can slowly inch ourselves toward the Libertarian ideals with good laws/law changes. That way, we have realistic results now. Then next year, try again to inch closer to the Libertarian ideals.

I have voted Republican twice though (once as a write-in, and the write-in candidate won), when the other candidates were worse.

How is a theory that has successfully worked in real life for 230 years something that "rarely works in real life"? Or would take 500+ years to kick in?

Based on those comments, you don't sound like much of realist to me.

I've only voted Republican once in my entire life. Back in '96, I voted for Gordon Smith for senator. I've regretted it ever since, even though it was the only fair thing to do (he lost to Democrat Ron Wyden, who I voted for then, by a small margin in a special election in late '95 IIRC). Didn't matter much though, as Smith won by a good margin because his democratic opponent was completely unworthy of the job.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: Vic
How is a theory that has successfully worked in real life for 230 years something that "rarely works in real life"? Or would take 500+ years to kick in?
We've been down this road in the past, Vic. And we got nowhere. I'm not doing that battle again. Just look at how long it took for peasants in midevil Europe to gain more liberties and take your own view of history. I'm not going to try to force my own views of history on you.