Only 3% of jobs posted on Tennessee's website offer more than $20,000 per year

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Franz316

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Clearly this guy deserves 30k/year.

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Ah yes, turning point.. the epitome of decency and unbiased news. Classic case of working backwards from a conclusion to fit a belief. I don't give a fuck if the person cooking a burger can spell or not as long as they can cook. Book smarts and actual talent don't need to be intertwined to justify fair wages.

I've made a prayer for you, Webdingus and EmptyMind:

"All hail the market god. May it look favorably upon me and bring wrath against those who I don't like. Let it be mercilessly neutral in how it treats my fellow humans as we are powerless to control it. Amen."
 

fskimospy

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Anyhow, upon a quick search on that jobs website - the article is.......... 100% full of shit. You can easily find over 7,500 jobs there that pay more than 20k.
Lol - from the OP that you obviously didn't read:

Only 3% of the jobs postedabout 8,500 as of Friday evening — pay $20,000 or more. The federal poverty line for a family of three is just under $22,000.

Nice job owning yourself yet again, dipshit.
 

BurnItDwn

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You are what you're worth. Sorry that you want it to be more than reality.

I think you might be posting something about a planned socialist economy or something. Where each person gets what they earn/are worth.

In the US, we have a market economy. In a market economy, businesses expect to earn profits on their investments. If they invest in hiring somebody, they will pay the person less than what they are worth so they can pocket the difference.

No company pays their workers what they are worth, because then the business would not be profitable.
 
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Lol - from the OP that you obviously didn't read:



Nice job owning yourself yet again, dipshit.

Oh sorry for actually being literal detective dipshit. 250000 * .03 = 7,500.

Regardless, there are tons more - tens of thousands more jobs on that site that pay more than $20k. It's a complete lie.
 
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I think you might be posting something about a planned socialist economy or something. Where each person gets what they earn/are worth.

In the US, we have a market economy. In a market economy, businesses expect to earn profits on their investments. If they invest in hiring somebody, they will pay the person less than what they are worth so they can pocket the difference.

No company pays their workers what they are worth, because then the business would not be profitable.

I didn't think it was possible to confuse capitalism for socialism, but here you go.... Amazing.

You are paid based on the value of your SKILLS - not the value of the output of product or services. Yes, if someone's skills cost more than the actual product is worth, then it obviously wouldn't make sense to hire that - and thus it would be fulfilled by other means such as automation, machines, programming, etc. etc.
 

fskimospy

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Oh sorry for actually being literal detective dipshit. 250000 * .03 = 7,500.

Regardless, there are tons more - tens of thousands more jobs on that site that pay more than $20k. It's a complete lie.
No there aren't. What I think confused you was that when you search by salary it also returns jobs where no salary is listed.

How are you this inept at...well...everything?
 

BurnItDwn

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I didn't think it was possible to confuse capitalism for socialism, but here you go.... Amazing.

You are paid based on the value of your SKILLS - not the value of the output of product or services. Yes, if someone's skills cost more than the actual product is worth, then it obviously wouldn't make sense to hire that - and thus it would be fulfilled by other means such as automation, machines, programming, etc. etc.

the value of the "skills" is "how much value the skills add" .. which is the value of the output of products or services. they are the same thing.
 
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the value of the "skills" is "how much value the skills add" .. which is the value of the output of products or services. they are the same thing.

No.... No they aren't lol.

First is just generally not being a selfish ass-hat and understand the complexities that goes with the creation of a product for instance. It's not just a matter of someone that works and provides a service for the assembly of the product.

It initially started with internal R&D of the product to determine if it's viable and is worth potentially selling, then you have the actual development and design of the product, then the marketing of the product, and you're sitting here focusing on ONE part of someone who works on an assembly line and saying that the value of their services is dependent upon how much the product sells for? Hell I'm probably missing plenty of more of the positions that a product runs through in the development lifecycle

No. No, that isn't how the real adult-world works. If a company says "Hmmm, we have a lot of demand - let's increase the price of the product 20%" - do you think that means the value of the services from the assembly line worker just got 20% more valuable?
 

BurnItDwn

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No.... No they aren't lol.

First is just generally not being a selfish ass-hat and understand the complexities that goes with the creation of a product for instance. It's not just a matter of someone that works and provides a service for the assembly of the product.

It initially started with internal R&D of the product to determine if it's viable and is worth potentially selling, then you have the actual development and design of the product, then the marketing of the product, and you're sitting here focusing on ONE part of someone who works on an assembly line and saying that the value of their services is dependent upon how much the product sells for? Hell I'm probably missing plenty of more of the positions that a product runs through in the development lifecycle

No. No, that isn't how the real adult-world works. If a company says "Hmmm, we have a lot of demand - let's increase the price of the product 20%" - do you think that means the value of the services from the assembly line worker just got 20% more valuable?
As a percentage of total cost of production, the workers would likely be worth less in that scenario.
If you increase prices by 20%, you would likely see a very significant drop in demand since your competitors would take your market share.
 
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No.... No they aren't lol.

First is just generally not being a selfish ass-hat and understand the complexities that goes with the creation of a product for instance. It's not just a matter of someone that works and provides a service for the assembly of the product.

It initially started with internal R&D of the product to determine if it's viable and is worth potentially selling, then you have the actual development and design of the product, then the marketing of the product, and you're sitting here focusing on ONE part of someone who works on an assembly line and saying that the value of their services is dependent upon how much the product sells for? Hell I'm probably missing plenty of more of the positions that a product runs through in the development lifecycle

No. No, that isn't how the real adult-world works. If a company says "Hmmm, we have a lot of demand - let's increase the price of the product 20%" - do you think that means the value of the services from the assembly line worker just got 20% more valuable?

Isn’t that how we have been told for DECADES trickledown works?
 

fskimospy

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I’m not sure if we should be listening to the guy who couldn’t figure out how to work the Tennessee job website on how to correctly value labor.
 

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Employers pay their workers just enough money to eat ramen and show up to work the next day. If the employee has an emergency like their car breaking down or a medical issue they are completely fucked. Welcome to the runaway free market economy where FYGM is the name of the game.

I wonder what the worth of those workers would be if they quit showing up to work for a month?
 
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As a percentage of total cost of production, the workers would likely be worth less in that scenario.
If you increase prices by 20%, you would likely see a very significant drop in demand since your competitors would take your market share.

Exactly lol.

But lets just say they raised the prices 20% - but the sales remained relatively the same because of a lack of competition currently. Did the assembly line worker skills become more valuable? Of course not. Because thats entirely built on things like the demand for their services - but also the supply of workers that have those skills which is completely outside of the overall control of the company.

Just like if the company goes bankrupt from making shitty decisions, that doesn't mean their skills became worth less money.

Isn’t that how we have been told for DECADES trickledown works?

That has nothing to do with the "trickledown" fallacy.
 

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Employers pay their workers just enough money to eat ramen and show up to work the next day. If the employee has an emergency like their car breaking down or a medical issue they are completely fucked. Welcome to the runaway free market economy where FYGM is the name of the game.

I wonder what the worth of those workers would be if they quit showing up to work for a month?
$0 they will be replaced with someone else.
 
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if that's the results of the local school system then maybe you'll want to address that deficiency, after all you get what you pay for.

We spend some of the highest per capita on school.

Nice try though. Why use facts when you can use your feelings instead?
 
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But look at the upside, Tennessee has a "low" unemployment rate of only 5%. Oh, and the so called catch with the numbers? The Rs claim the good jobs are just posted elsewhere and not on the Tennessee job site. They did not specify where "elsewhere" was, probably because it is out of state.

A republican paradise! ... for crappy employers who pay people shit.


Stupidity, poverty, and voting republican go together. But hey, at least they can CCW without a permit*! Freedumb!
*https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/background-checks-longer-required-tennessee-gunowners-76954350


We should let ALL the $hithole Southern states try going it alone as their own backward little GOP-run country.


We spend some of the higehst per capita on school.


Then we are clearly getting ripped off. :confused_old:

Oh ... and the irony ROTFL. :p
 

mect

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If we took all resources and equally distributed them, then made laws that gave equal footing to all individuals, and ensured everyone had perfect information when negotiating, then possibly one could argue that free market wages reflected the value of an individual's labor. Considering the current conditions, free market wages are more a reflection of power differentials. Yes, your knowledge and abilities provide some level of leverage, but not near as much as the resources you control.
 

Captante

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If we took all resources and equally distributed them, then made laws that gave equal footing to all individuals, and ensured everyone had perfect information when negotiating, then possibly one could argue that free market wages reflected the value of an individual's labor. Considering the current conditions, free market wages are more a reflection of power differentials. Yes, your knowledge and abilities provide some level of leverage, but not near as much as the resources you control.

Translation: It's not what you know it's who you know? ;)
 

MrSquished

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I wonder if Dick's Burgers in Seattle is having a tough time finding employees. Apparently you can make money and still pay people right with good benefits.

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