No, I noticed one came from CNN and one came from the Washington Post. The Chief explained it rather well a couple of posts up. You can apply his experience in the aviation community to any warfare community, including SpecOps and Trident, and it would just as applicable.
No, I noticed one came from CNN and one came from the Washington Post. The Chief explained it rather well a couple of posts up. You can apply his experience in the aviation community to any warfare community, including SpecOps and Trident, and it would just as applicable.
I think I got 7% last year and 4.1% this year in base pay. Housing allowances have also gone up significantly and sub pay went up significantly for me last year. This is only part of the equation however. During most of the 90's there were minimum pay raises but the real problem was there wasn't enough money for training, spare parts, upgrades, etc. There were also less people but THE MISSIONS NEVER CHANGED. Couple this with a good economy and people were leaving in droves and recruitment was way off for the same reason. Rumsfeld said when he came into office that we would get even smaller but we were going to do it this time much smarter and slower by reducing the mission and replacing the manpower with technology.
Forget how much welfare cost taxpayers. The people it really hurts are mostly black. Black illegitimacy rates today are near 70%. Back when blacks were openly discriminated against, before welfare, their illegitimacy rate was much lower. Black kids were raised in two parent homes. Now they are not. The consequences have been devastating. Black males commit a disproportionate amount of crime, etc. Welfare encourages women, especially black women, to have babies out of wedlock. This has all but destroyed the black family. Black poverty has declined, but the majority of those still poor are single mothers on welfare.
Welfare is a failed democratic social system in my opinion.
Welfare is a failed democratic social system in my opinion.
01/05/2003 1:14 PM
the thing is that you are putting to much emphasis on the so called "lazy people" I think that most republicans blow this way out of proportion. Sure, there are people that could work and do not, but there are also lots of people on welfare that really need the help, and the amount of money that the people that are not working are getting is really not all that much. There are much bigger fish to fry, like the ridiculous military budget we have.
Tim
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Tim,
Did you know that people on Welfare makes more money than those of us making mininmum wage?
Some of them even have cable subscription, washer and dryer. I can't even afford a television yet I am expected to support these people? since you are so pro welfare, how about putting aside 10 percent of your pay to a welfare fund, for example. It's only fair.
the thing is that you are putting to much emphasis on the so called "lazy people" I think that most republicans blow this way out of proportion. Sure, there are people that could work and do not, but there are also lots of people on welfare that really need the help, and the amount of money that the people that are not working are getting is really not all that much. There are much bigger fish to fry, like the ridiculous military budget we have.
Tim
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Tim,
Did you know that people on Welfare makes more money than those of us making mininmum wage?
Some of them even have cable subscription, washer and dryer. I can't even afford a television yet I am expected to support these people? since you are so pro welfare, how about putting aside 10 percent of your pay to a welfare fund, for example. It's only fair.
I was in from from Carter's final days through Reagan and Bush Sr. to the end of Clinton's days. Upon retirement from the Army after 20 years and 24 days, the Dems and Republicans were fighting over who would be president based on the Florida results.
Yes, you are correct SlowSS. We were gutted in reality. There were many times we could not train because of budget constraints. Never saw that under Reagan or Bush Sr. It totally amazed me in '93 when our unit commander tells us training is cancelled because of lack of money. Actually, local training did not suffer. However, large scale, collective training suffered to extremes. Understandably, that particular budget had been appropriated under Bush Sr. in '92. However, during the 13 years prior, extra appropriations had always been injected to insure the troops would train. There is no substitute for training or readiness. None. Period.
Talent and experience: We literally lost thousands of years of talent and experience from '93 - 2000. People were getting out of the service with 12-15 years in saying "f@ck this sh!t!!" Even people who did not qualify for early retirement or other early release incentives were gone. Talent can be replaced. Experience cannot.
Anyone who wants to cry "bush stole the election" should stfu.... If anyone tried to steal the election it was Al Gore and the media...
First off Bush won Florida.... Democrats don't realize that he would have won by more (and we wouldn't have had this bs) if the media hadn't reported Al Gore won the election! It has been proven that people tend not to vote once they know their candidate lost (so they don't feel like losers) and people tend to go out and vote when their cadidate has won (so they feel like winner)! This was a pretty lengthy study done by Michigan University (i think).... Bottom line is if the media didn't give the election to Gore... strong republican districts in the Florida panhandles would have gotten a lot more Bush votes....
Bush won fairly... he is doing a fine job... better than Gore could have ever done... Get over it.
First off Bush won Florida.... Democrats don't realize that he would have won by more (and we wouldn't have had this bs) if the media hadn't reported Al Gore won the election! It has been proven that people tend not to vote once they know their candidate lost (so they don't feel like losers) and people tend to go out and vote when their cadidate has won (so they feel like winner)! This was a pretty lengthy study done by Michigan University (i think).... Bottom line is if the media didn't give the election to Gore... strong republican districts in the Florida panhandles would have gotten a lot more Bush votes....
Bush won fairly... he is doing a fine job... better than Gore could have ever done... Get over it.
That's not what I'm looking for at all. I just wanted to share the hypocritical ramblings of a woman who spreads hate and lies but thinks she is above the fray
Look in a mirror.
Look in a mirror.
43st
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Originally posted by: SlowSS
Thank you and I've served for 21 years and retired 2 1/2 years ago.
Wow... Work for only 21 years and get to retire. You never see benefits like that in the public sector. I guess the military really does waste it's money. Too bad Clinton didn't cut more.
Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: SlowSS
Thank you and I've served for 21 years and retired 2 1/2 years ago.
Wow... Work for only 21 years and get to retire. You never see benefits like that in the public sector. I guess the military really does waste it's money. Too bad Clinton didn't cut more.
Well Thera, if the thought of serving 20+ years sounds so appealling, then why don't you give it a whirl like some of us have?
By the way, the "retirement" is classified as a retainer.
Productive (and decent) members of society have a great burden . . . working enough to support ourselves and those too lazy to get by on merit. But corporate greed is just as malevolent as lazy "welfare" recipients. The US steel and lumber industries are not going to shape up with tariffs or logging federal land . . . but I bet some airlines are going to fly right.
Welfare reform was well overdue but it is not a resounding success or a cruel agenda. States that block access to Medicaid ultimately increase the likelihood that people wind up on public assistance long term. States that do not adequately fund childcare make it impossible for mother's to enter to the workforce. The old reliable, leave them with a neighbor or family, is idiotic. Most people of limited means live around others with limited means. Their neighbors should have to go to work as well. The explosion in service jobs masked the decimation of many manufacturing jobs (textile, furniture) . . . many of which have shifted overseas.
I think its time to impose real welfare reform. No job no cable. No job no mobile phone. The mother of three working two jobs shouldn't have to support someone else's chrome wheels . . . Yet it remains necessary to massively invest in infrastructure (education, healthcare, childcare) to produce an environment where all that are able can definitely work.
Thompson (when he had a real job) was probably the best at reform (by investing in the removal of barriers to gainful employment) but even he lacked clear solutions to entrenched poverty.
Actually, it was Bush who stole that election, that's what she was refering to, smartypants.
And oh yes, Republicans are HUGE on hate crime laws and minority rights. not.
So yeah, she's an idiot. And you are too. You guys should start a club together.
Here's my problem with that. There are Execs that are doing very little in the way of work taking MORE of my tax dollars than the poor guy. If he doesn't want to work, fine...go ahead and give him a couple of my tax dollars every week so he can get a can of soup and some water, and mabye he'll turn his life around one day. How you can be AGAINST abortion and FOR letting these people starve is beyond confusing to me. Secondly, your boy Georgie there is still helping out his friends with crap like his new economic "stimulus" package. Finally, where did Ken Lay go? Haven't seen too much on his trial for cheating hundreds of working taxpayers out of their retirement money. Haven't seen much pushing from Georgie's white house to get him a speedy trial....
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Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: SlowSS
Thank you and I've served for 21 years and retired 2 1/2 years ago.
Wow... Work for only 21 years and get to retire. You never see benefits like that in the public sector. I guess the military really does waste it's money. Too bad Clinton didn't cut more.
You are a true idiot.
Bush won the electoral vote he lost the popular vote. look it up if you dont believe me.
the election was a scam because the supreme court stepped over their bounds. and to make matters worse all the justices voted by which party put them on the bench
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Wow... Another moron wearing their ignorance on their shirt sleeve, ain't it cute?
If taking care of those people who put their lives on the line so people like Thera have the right to humiliate and disgrace themselves publically, well than I say waste on!!
Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: SlowSS
Thank you and I've served for 21 years and retired 2 1/2 years ago.
Wow... Work for only 21 years and get to retire. You never see benefits like that in the public sector. I guess the military really does waste it's money. Too bad Clinton didn't cut more.
Hmmm, you must be a byproduct of incest.
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To anybody who says the military doesn't get enough money, when we already spend twice as much per capita as the next closest country, perhaps if we didn't have hundreds of thousands of troops stationed in countries where they're not wanted, defending against enemies that don't exist anymore, maybe there would be more money for pay, housing, and training...hmm? Or maybe we shouldn't give the military industrial complex billions of dollars for weapons that we don't need...i.e. Crusader artillery, B2 bomber.
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