One Way To Fight Back Over BF2142 Spyware

DasFox

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Someone mentioned the best course here is through the purchasing power.

I agree this is a very effective method, so then in what ways do you all think this can be accomplished?

This is not about standing outside a store making a scene, or badmouthing anyone, it's about educating a consumer.

So we're clear here. This is about just talking to people and letting them know what is going on, then let them decide.

But there needs to be a better understanding by those wanting to invlove themself in a matter like this, and what this type of thing with spyware in gaming can turn into in the future.

If you want to control people, companies, and countries you take away their money, and standing out at stores is a simple approach for reaching the massses and the media at trying to take away money, and hopefully get the consumer into not spending.

There are many issues here at stake. There is alot more going on here then most people realise. It's more then just some simple spyware and ads.

Also talk to friends and family, talk to store managers and see what their take is on this, Costco, Walmart, Kmart, BestBuy, GameStop, etc... Tell it to the masses!

Is it TRUE there is no mention of this on the outside of the box? This is bad especially when stores will not take back an open box. I've known of stores that have this type of policy that won't accept open boxes.

EA needs to MARK this on the outside of the box.



Here is my take on this:
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I look at it this way, we are the PC geeks, and the average PC consumer is clueless to this, and will not even bat an eyelash over this matter.

Personally I think those of you that have purchased this game, especially you, so you can show people your game with this slip of paper to explain this to them. And any other hardcore PC geeks, gamers should do the same.

When you get free time go down to your local game store in the shopping mall and stand outside and let the people know who are going in and out of those stores, and ask if they have bought the game and let them know about this, and explain to them what this means.

And let them know about this for any other games, then ask them how they feel about this and give them an email address and tell them to contact the companies in question, EA, not to send in nasty letters, but as consumers letting them know how we feel about this.


Also possibly some of you live in small towns and know the local News stations, and possibly they might just be looking for some news and they can follow you to the game store and film this while you stand outside the store.

I haven't located any good email addresses for them, in the meantime here is their toll free number for USA/Canada: 866-543-5435

ALOHA



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CVSiN

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Write letters to consumer action groups telling them about the spyware thats not advertised till after you open a 50 dollar game.. making it unreturnable..

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ROTC1983

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Well, if a person where I work at attempts to buy it, I will mention that they shouldn't do to the fact that the game has this "issue". I was going to purchase the game, but I have a distaste for EA and for BS like this that they pull.
 

potato28

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BF2 is THE last PC game I'll buy from them for a long time, unless they change their ways.
 

ROTC1983

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Originally posted by: potato28
BF2 is THE last PC game I'll buy from them for a long time, unless they change their ways.


What makes me sad is that they (EA) seem to be slowly consuming a lot of different game companies :(
 

Atheus

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I'm sure the later pirate releases will have the spyware stripped out and patches built in. If you feel bad about it you could mail $20 to DICE, or take you local software engineer out for a drink.
 

ROTC1983

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Originally posted by: DasFox
LOOK back up people all the text in BOLD, new edit.

ALOHA ;)


I work at the Best Buy in Pearl city DasFox, and I will let people know ;)
 

DasFox

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Originally posted by: ROTC1983
Originally posted by: DasFox
LOOK back up people all the text in BOLD, new edit.

ALOHA ;)


I work at the Best Buy in Pearl city DasFox, and I will let people know ;)

Awesome BRAH! ;)

Ok here is another take on this people.

A good angle on this is a local media station in your area that CARES for its locals.

If you can find a media station that is hardcore for it's local community and you can do a take on this as for example ----> Look what's happening to our town, our people etc... Then hopefully as it hits local news it will spread from there.

Get the local community involved....
ALOHA
 

mordantmonkey

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I Say everybody just prints off stickers that say : WARNING this game contains advertising spyware. and slap them on the copies at your local store.
 

DasFox

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Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
I Say everybody just prints off stickers that say : WARNING this game contains advertising spyware. and slap them on the copies at your local store.

AHH ha!

How many games would you say out there in the market has spyware in it like this?

If there are a few then maybe a sign made up that you can walk around outside a game store showing it to people, but then it might be looked upon like you are picketing.

So don't make it look like you're running a strike picket line or something, hehe, but hold up a small sign and show people and say read this.

Like this as example:

WARNING did you know now that some games you buy might contain spyware, and possibly infringe on your rights?

ALOHA
 

pontifex

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while i'm totally against EA's bs, who the hell has the time to stand outside a game store telling people that a game has spyware?


i like the sticker idea though.
 

Kromis

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What will all this accomplish, exactly?

I'm being closed-minded right now so I'd like to know the flaws of the BF2142 "spyware".
 

DasFox

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So call store managers if you haven't the time, and what this will hopefully accomplish is the removal of this game from store shelves.

I just contacted the local GameStop in my area, they are going to discuss this. The manager was very surprised over this and didn't like what I was telling him and agreed this is not good.

So for those with no time, call managers of stores and the Corporate offices and speak to them and let them know.

Here is the Corporate telephone number in Texas of GameStop -----> 817-424-2000
 

flashbacck

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Originally posted by: Kromis
I'm being closed-minded right now so I'd like to know the flaws of the BF2142 "spyware".

It's almost like having someone dig through your trash when you take it to the curb so they can find out your shopping habits. There's nothing illegal about it, but I sure as hell find it annoying that someone is doing it.
 

mordantmonkey

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Originally posted by: flashbacck
Originally posted by: Kromis
I'm being closed-minded right now so I'd like to know the flaws of the BF2142 "spyware".

It's almost like having someone dig through your trash when you take it to the curb so they can find out your shopping habits. There's nothing illegal about it, but I sure as hell find it annoying that someone is doing it.


a better analogy is that you are paying a maid to snoop through you house and offer the information to telemarketers.
 

DasFox

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Originally posted by: flashbacck
Originally posted by: Kromis
I'm being closed-minded right now so I'd like to know the flaws of the BF2142 "spyware".

It's almost like having someone dig through your trash when you take it to the curb so they can find out your shopping habits. There's nothing illegal about it, but I sure as hell find it annoying that someone is doing it.

Well consider this for a moment. Do you think that EA games is ignorant to store policies over returning open software boxes?

If they deliberately kept this information off the outside the boxes in an attempt to manipulate getting greater sales in fear of this information on the outside of a box and what it might do to sales, then this possibly might be looked upon as an illegal attempt at fraud.

There is no mention of this on the outside of a box, and most companies once you open a box and try to return will not give you a refund. They only exchange for the same item if it was defective, not just because you don't like it.

You're being sold something you don't know about until it's to late, and that is not good and can be the real issue here.

ALOHA
 

DasFox

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I would love to hear how this game fairs in Norway, because did you know they outlawed any form of advertisment to children, and with a game pumping out ads I don't think they'll be able to sell it there.

I don't think we realise this, but this is exploitation on the youth that play this game, and that is totaly wrong!

Exploitation here could form a real lawsuit.

ALOHA
 

DasFox

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Just heard this over at Widescreen Gaming Forum

Originally posted by: Jedediah

You guys are going to love this little story. I just got off the phone with EA. When I inquired about the software they acted like they had no idea about it and that if there is software its only for monitoring BF2142 data, like log on time, gameplay time, ect.

Then I asked them, "So if I was to go and buy this game now, read the documents only available from with in the box about this software, I wont find anything discussing in detail about the monitoring of my web browser data?" The man I was talking to paused a second and asked to put me on hold. He returned roughly 4 mins later and said "Well, I just looked into this and EA is aware of this software. We here at technical support are just as surprised at this as you are. Unfortunately EA is only the publisher and we do not have any info from Dice about this software because the developer has not shared it with us." :? You read right. EA, a publisher in charge of sales and distributing doesn't have info about what's inside the game even AFTER LAUNCH. Which is pretty scary and dumb considering this is spyware we are talking about.

So I asked them how could they not have info on this for consumers even after the game launched? I of course got not good answer. Only that the software will not harm my computer but does in fact monitor/share my web browser info, though you have to hassle them to get that info. So I told the guy simply, if your not recording this, record it now. Then I told him that what they are doing is a invasion of privacy and is illegal. It is also not on the box anywhere that this software is included. And that EA has made zero attempts to alert current owners of the game about the software which is also wrong. The man said he will send my message to his superiors right now and watch over this incident himself.

So my advice guys is call them. Know the info you need about the papers and what the software does and call them. Don't play around if they play dumb, they know about this. Call and demand action. It will either go to the superiors or put pressure on tech support till it does.
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: DasFox
I would love to hear how this game fairs in Norway, because did you know they outlawed any form of advertisment to children, and with a game pumping out ads I don't think they'll be able to sell it there.

I don't think we realise this, but this is exploitation on the youth that play this game, and that is totaly wrong!

Exploitation here could form a real lawsuit.

ALOHA

whats the game rated? depending on rating, children shouldn't be owning it anyway.
 

DasFox

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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: DasFox
I would love to hear how this game fairs in Norway, because did you know they outlawed any form of advertisment to children, and with a game pumping out ads I don't think they'll be able to sell it there.

I don't think we realise this, but this is exploitation on the youth that play this game, and that is totaly wrong!

Exploitation here could form a real lawsuit.

ALOHA

whats the game rated? depending on rating, children shouldn't be owning it anyway.


Yes that's true, darn can't tell by the picture showing that spyware leaflet, I'm sure it's M, but heck people are going to let kids probably 15 years old play it, maybe even some younger too without realising it.

So parents aren't going to be aware of what's going on here, trying to pump their kids into all this buying.

ALOHA