One thing that bugs me in recent movies.

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dennilfloss

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One thing that bugs me in today's special effects is how so many things are speeded up. When Spiderman swings on his web between buildings in the 60s cartoons, the speed looks like what we'd expect in real life but the bits of the recent movies I saw show him swinging way too fast. Same things for the transformers trailers and Legolas attacking the oliphant in Return Of The King. Then there was the abomination of the American version of Godzilla.

Even in fantasy movies, changing this parameter really hurts my suspension of disbelief and ruins the movie for me.

No idea why they speed up things so much except maybe to hide poor resolution or texture flaws.

I bet if they remade The 7th Voyage of Sinbad, the Cyclopses would do kung fu. :(

Bah humbug...:frown:
 
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The worst thing about modern action films is the epileptic camera that most movies seem to use. Come on directors, it's not a sin to use a single camera angle for more than 1/4 second.
 

dennilfloss

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
The worst thing about modern action films is the epileptic camera that most movies seem to use. Come on directors, it's not a sin to use a single camera angle for more than 1/4 second.


That too. It's like they have attention deficit disorder.:frown:
 
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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
The worst thing about modern action films is the epileptic camera that most movies seem to use. Come on directors, it's not a sin to use a single camera angle for more than 1/4 second.

They should have never given Michael J. Fox that photography job out of pity. 8-(
 

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One thing that bugs me in recent movies is that they're all COMIC BOOK MOVIES!!!! I'm sick of them.
 
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Originally posted by: zerocool84
One thing that bugs me in recent movies is that they're all COMIC BOOK MOVIES!!!! I'm sick of them.

Yes! This! I've never read a comic book in my life and I'm not a fucking kid, enough of men in fucking tights and rubber jumpsuits. Grow the fuck up people.
 

CRXican

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I somewhat agree.

Trying to follow the fight sequences in Transformers was pretty impossible.
 

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
One thing that bugs me in recent movies is that they're all COMIC BOOK MOVIES!!!! I'm sick of them.

well, comic books... and the lengthier, more serious cousin the graphic novel, have been ripe for the picking for movie adaptations for so long. And the great thing is, many of them have an excellent story, and they are already visualized to a degree. And with the studios now realizing people will pay to see them, and often in record or close to record numbers, it's a damn good idea. Just requires effort to get it done right and not piss off all the fans.

As for special effects in recent movies, I'd say it's just a characteristic of the actual directors that tend to have stories that more or less rely on special effects.

I mean, you have Michael Bay, who has always had been that "ADHD guy with a camera", but I like that style for those types of movies. The frantic pace is easily digested when the camera work is doing half the work to make it look frantic.

And you have movies like the Bourne trilogy, which use that frantic camera work but the action is relatively slow if you pay careful attention. But the camera work plays tricks with our mind and how it views speed/action.

Other times its just for the sake of screen time and/or to fit the pace of everything else.

Spiderman's swinging speed always felt natural imho with the new movies, because it kind of makes sense with the whole swinging from large ropes. You get a large jump, and take a large swing, gravity is going to help with the pull down, while the motion is going to keep going afterward, and get a few swings going on, that speed is going to keep increasing due to the physics of such motion. The old concept of slower swinging was probably just due to budget and small set that couldn't possibly replicate the more likely speed. :p

The main aspect of the faster action of special effects and camera work combined, are likely simply related to the change in the style of camera work. Newer movies are greatly influenced by the concept of point of view, in the sense that the camera is trying to make it look like the eyes of a person or at least get you to feel like you, the viewer, is right in the middle of everything going on. It really just comes from the increase in quality of special effects and budgets. Lower quality special effects, or when it was mostly stage tricks in the old days of film, it just wasn't possible to really create a very convincing scene in the sense that today can. And today's special effects movies are action packed, which goes with my earlier statements regarding cameras and action. You'll still see the more dialog-heavy films or dramas, when they do use special effects, everything tends to be slower to really let it sink in.
 

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Originally posted by: dennilfloss
One thing that bugs me in today's special effects is how so many things are speeded up. When Spiderman swings on his web between buildings in the 60s cartoons, the speed looks like what we'd expect in real life but the bits of the recent movies I saw show him swinging way too fast. Same things for the transformers trailers and Legolas attacking the oliphant in Return Of The King. Then there was the abomination of the American version of Godzilla.

Even in fantasy movies, changing this parameter really hurts my suspension of disbelief and ruins the movie for me.

No idea why they speed up things so much except maybe to hide poor resolution or texture flaws.

I bet if they remade The 7th Voyage of Sinbad, the Cyclopses would do kung fu. :(

Bah humbug...:frown:

bugs me also. :beer:
 

Gothgar

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Originally posted by: Possessed Freak
My main gripe: Special Effects are now just CGI. When in doubt, throw a computer at it.

this too

while sometimes it looks awesome and works, looking back at some old movies that used miniatures or other forms of SFX they can have a more real feel to it
 

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Originally posted by: CRXican
I somewhat agree.

Trying to follow the fight sequences in Transformers was pretty impossible.
Yes. That was my major complaint about the movie.

 

Nik

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Originally posted by: Possessed Freak
My main gripe: Special Effects are now just CGI. When in doubt, throw a computer at it.

Agreed. Even if the models look shitty, I'd much rather live-action than CGI. CGI should be used to touch up frames, not create the whole entire frame or the whole entire monster or whatever.

As far as the point Dennis makes, speeding up filming loses the illusion of size, depth, and power of many things. It does indeed ruin important elements!
 

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Originally posted by: Epic Fail
You are just getting old. :p

This :thumbsup:

I wonder if CGI has a significant cost/time savings over the old school special effects [back when they used miniatures].

One good thing about CGI - it's a hell of a lot more fluid today than it was 10 years ago.
 
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