One sentence from the stimulus bill:

[HeXploiT]

?For transit capital assistance grants, $6,000,000,000 (increased by $1,500,000,000), of which $5,400,000,000 (increased by $1,350,000,000) shall be for grants under 5 section 5307 of title 49, United States Code and shall be apportioned in accordance with section 5336 of such title (other than subsections (i)(1) and (j)) but may not be combined or commingle More..d with any other funds apportioned under such section 5336, and of which $600,000,000 (increased by $150,000,000) shall be for grants under section 5311 of such title and shall be apportioned in accordance with such section 5311 but may not be combined or commingled with any other funds apportioned under that section: Provided, That of the funds provided for section 5311 under this heading, 3 percent shall be made available for section 5311(c)(1): Provided further, That applicable chapter 53 requirements shall apply except that the Federal share of the costs for which a grant is made under this heading shall be, at the option of the recipient, up to 100 percent: Provided further, In lieu of the requirements of section 1103 of this Act, funds made available under this heading shall be apportioned not later than 7 days after the date of enactment of this Act: Provided further, That for purposes of applying section 1104 of this 25 253 Act to this appropriation, the deadline for grantees to enter into obligations to make use of not less than 50 percent of the funds awarded shall be 90 days after apportionment: Provided further, That the provisions of section 1101(b) of Public Law 109?59 shall apply to funds made available under this heading: Provided further, That not-withstanding any other provision of law, of the funds apportioned in accordance with section 5336, up to three-quarters of 1 percent shall be available for administrative expenses and program management oversight and of the funds apportioned in accordance with section 5311, up to one-half of 1 percent shall be available for administrative expenses and program management oversight and both amounts shall remain available for obligation until September 30, 2012: Provided further, That the preceding proviso shall apply in lieu of the provisions in section 1106 of this Act.?

Now my fellow congressmen get off your lazy asses and pass this thing. You have two days to read all 431 pages.
No need to comprehend it. Just know that it is good for the nation. Let it not be said that we did nothing.

 

[jagec]

You mean that a group of highly paid professionals whose entire job it is to review and revise legislation can use the excuse "but this stuff's so hard", and it passes muster with you?

Lots of people have to contend with thickly written documents laden with jargon and technical terms which the rest of us cannot comprehend. I bet that you wouldn't have much faith in a doctor who refused to read their medical textbooks prior to a procedure because "Jeez, who can understand that crap anyway? So, do you want the surgery or not?"

 

[MovingTarget]

Wow, that made my brain hurt at first. However, I do see that this "sentence" is quite dense containing a lot of valuable information. You literally need a decoder ring to decipher it - namely a copy of the federal code. It isn't too hard to trudge through if you had the proper reference. If it were my JOB to do so (i.e. if I was a congressman - man, you guys would be screwed ), then you bet your arse I'd be thumbing through it. That is what we expect (or should expect) from our representatives. The smaller stuff can be dijested by their staff, but the major stuff (esp. ONE BILL of this importance) should be gone over with a fine-tooth comb before applying any political philosophy.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

The stimulus bill also includes the creation of a government appointed board to review doctor decisions and make recommendations of treatment. That's not scary at all...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...ughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

As usual... a bill with a hopeful name is cammo for a bunch of crap designed to ruin the country.

One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and ?guide? your doctor?s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, ?Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.? According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and ?learn to operate less like solo practitioners.?

Hospitals and doctors that are not ?meaningful users? of the new system will face penalties. ?Meaningful user? isn?t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose ?more stringent measures of meaningful use over time? (511, 518, 540-541)

Now, reagarless of which side of the socialized medical debate you're on... why is this in an economic stimulus bill?

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: jagec
You mean that a group of highly paid professionals whose entire job it is to review and revise legislation can use the excuse "but this stuff's so hard", and it passes muster with you?

Lots of people have to contend with thickly written documents laden with jargon and technical terms which the rest of us cannot comprehend. I bet that you wouldn't have much faith in a doctor who refused to read their medical textbooks prior to a procedure because "Jeez, who can understand that crap anyway? So, do you want the surgery or not?"

You would expect your doctor to read through a 400 page document concerning your health and force him to come to a conclusion within a few days? I should think you would want to give him all the time he needed so that his diagnosis was accurate.

Does anyone else find it rather ironic that Obama is playing the Bush/cheney "IF YOU DON'T DO IT OUR WAY AND IMMEDIATELY SOMETHING TERRIBLE IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!" game.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Oops! Posted in wrong thread! Post deleted.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: HeXploiT

Originally posted by: jagec
You mean that a group of highly paid professionals whose entire job it is to review and revise legislation can use the excuse "but this stuff's so hard", and it passes muster with you?

Lots of people have to contend with thickly written documents laden with jargon and technical terms which the rest of us cannot comprehend. I bet that you wouldn't have much faith in a doctor who refused to read their medical textbooks prior to a procedure because "Jeez, who can understand that crap anyway? So, do you want the surgery or not?"

You would expect your doctor to read through a 400 page document concerning your health and force him to come to a conclusion within a few days? I should think you would want to give him all the time he needed so that his diagnosis was accurate.

Does anyone else find it rather ironic that Obama is playing the Bush/cheney "IF YOU DON'T DO IT OUR WAY AND IMMEDIATELY SOMETHING TERRIBLE IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!" game.

I'm seeing a lot of parallels between the new admin and the old admin... It was scary then... more scary now.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: HeXploiT

Originally posted by: jagec
You mean that a group of highly paid professionals whose entire job it is to review and revise legislation can use the excuse "but this stuff's so hard", and it passes muster with you?

Lots of people have to contend with thickly written documents laden with jargon and technical terms which the rest of us cannot comprehend. I bet that you wouldn't have much faith in a doctor who refused to read their medical textbooks prior to a procedure because "Jeez, who can understand that crap anyway? So, do you want the surgery or not?"

You would expect your doctor to read through a 400 page document concerning your health and force him to come to a conclusion within a few days? I should think you would want to give him all the time he needed so that his diagnosis was accurate.

Does anyone else find it rather ironic that Obama is playing the Bush/cheney "IF YOU DON'T DO IT OUR WAY AND IMMEDIATELY SOMETHING TERRIBLE IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!" game.

I'm seeing a lot of parallels between the new admin and the old admin... It was scary then... more scary now.

Actually what you are seeing is your own reflection.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: HeXploiT

Originally posted by: jagec
You mean that a group of highly paid professionals whose entire job it is to review and revise legislation can use the excuse "but this stuff's so hard", and it passes muster with you?

Lots of people have to contend with thickly written documents laden with jargon and technical terms which the rest of us cannot comprehend. I bet that you wouldn't have much faith in a doctor who refused to read their medical textbooks prior to a procedure because "Jeez, who can understand that crap anyway? So, do you want the surgery or not?"

You would expect your doctor to read through a 400 page document concerning your health and force him to come to a conclusion within a few days? I should think you would want to give him all the time he needed so that his diagnosis was accurate.

Does anyone else find it rather ironic that Obama is playing the Bush/cheney "IF YOU DON'T DO IT OUR WAY AND IMMEDIATELY SOMETHING TERRIBLE IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!" game.

I'm seeing a lot of parallels between the new admin and the old admin... It was scary then... more scary now.

Actually what you are seeing is your own reflection.

How so? Please explain.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I'm seeing a lot of parallels between the new admin and the old admin... It was scary then... more scary now.

Actually what you are seeing is your own reflection.

How so? Please explain.

Sure, you're incapable of differing from bogyman tactics and the truth.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

the fuck... MoonDawn?

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: HeXploiT
Now my fellow congressmen get off your lazy asses and pass this thing. You have two days to read all 431 pages.
No need to comprehend it. Just know that it is good for the nation. Let it not be said that we did nothing.

It doesn't seem that bad for me. Key here is the context and details that need to be linked up. If you're familiar with those sections of code, it probably makes more sense.


So they're getting $6B. $5.4B will be for existing grants (Grants A) and divvied up the same way. The remaining $0.6B should be for some other grants (Grants B). Keep all of this money separate from the original money except where we say otherwise.

Of that money going to Grants A, 3% should apply to a particular subsection of that grant.

Follow chapter 53 requirements except you can pay for the whole thing with federal money if you want.

Instead of following some other section of this act, the money here needs to be divvied up within a week.

Because we're not following that other section, follow these other rules instead of the ones that would normally apply for spending the money.

Some rules elsewhere still apply though.

Unless the law states otherwise, only so much of Grants A money can go to overhead. Only so much can go for Grants B overhead too.

These rules apply instead of those other rules mentioned.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I'm seeing a lot of parallels between the new admin and the old admin... It was scary then... more scary now.

Actually what you are seeing is your own reflection.

How so? Please explain.

Sure, you're incapable of differing from bogyman tactics and the truth.

Exactly, the truth might be worse of a fear than the boogeyman but it's the best we got.

Reality IS reality and analysing it into something it's not is just fucking daft.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: HeXploiT

Originally posted by: jagec
You mean that a group of highly paid professionals whose entire job it is to review and revise legislation can use the excuse "but this stuff's so hard", and it passes muster with you?

Lots of people have to contend with thickly written documents laden with jargon and technical terms which the rest of us cannot comprehend. I bet that you wouldn't have much faith in a doctor who refused to read their medical textbooks prior to a procedure because "Jeez, who can understand that crap anyway? So, do you want the surgery or not?"

You would expect your doctor to read through a 400 page document concerning your health and force him to come to a conclusion within a few days? I should think you would want to give him all the time he needed so that his diagnosis was accurate.

Does anyone else find it rather ironic that Obama is playing the Bush/cheney "IF YOU DON'T DO IT OUR WAY AND IMMEDIATELY SOMETHING TERRIBLE IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!" game.

Actually your logic is failed!!
No if I was terminally ill or if there was even the slightest possibility that I was terminally ill, I would want doctor to read through all 400 pages and make a diagnosis as soon as possible. Not when he feels like it!!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
the fuck... MoonDawn?

Hehe

Actually, I'm leaning toward Whoozyerdaddy on this one. I just got out of the drunk tank and there were 5 people in there who swear Bush and Obama are pink and we're all in deep doo doo up to our tusks and trunks. I couldn't go 100 on the pink part but I nosed they were right about the doo doo the minute I got in there.

 

[TallBill]

Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level: 76.00

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
the fuck... MoonDawn?

Hehe

Actually, I'm leaning toward Whoozyerdaddy on this one. I just got out of the drunk tank and there were 5 people in there who swear Bush and Obama are pink and we're all in deep doo doo up to our tusks and trunks. I couldn't go 100 on the pink part but I nosed they were right about the doo doo the minute I got in there.

Radical changes never happened in days, politics is a very dirty business and all that jazz.

Truth is that the more things change the more they stay the same, we've seen it all over the world and it's no different in your place.

However, there are room for major changes and i see some, even if not so many, that are coming fairly swift.

Personally, i love Obama for his Pakistan/Afghanistan interest but that is for "selfish" reasons, it will help me help young women and girls to create a life other than being a sex slave which is the ONLY thing they want them to be.