One SC Justice gave advice to Democrats to Countermand the SC Hobby Lobby Decision

[sportage]

It's dead in the House. You can forget it...won't happen. Hell, it will get filibustered in the Senate most likely too.

Not necessarily so.
That is, this could get out the vote in November and really change things.
The media predicts this election to be typically bad for the party in the whitehouse.
But I don't think so. Not this time.
There are plenty of hot topic issues just hot enough to get out the minorities as well as the women to vote.
The house will possibly remain republican, but their margin could shrink substantially.
The senate could see real gains for democrats.
The media will be shocked, never seen it coming, and if this was possible, they will say, what doom is in store for republicans come the real test in November 2016?
Id love to see the political media with a little egg on their face.
And I do not believe Obama or his low poll numbers will have anything to do with it in the end.
All it takes are enough pissed off voters getting out to the polls.
And that storm is already on the horizon.

 

[nehalem256]

You miss the point. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET THE PRESCRIPTION IF IT'S NOT ON THE FORUMLARY. No doctor in the system will just give you the prescription and send you off. Walmart doesn't just take your word that you need it. People who have healthcare that won't cover contraceptive based care will have to seek out of coverage doctors. You're assuming everyone's insurance/healthcare works the exact same way when it in fact does not.

So you are saying that people without insurance cannot get prescriptions?:hmm:

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You miss the point. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET THE PRESCRIPTION IF IT'S NOT ON THE FORUMLARY. No doctor in the system will just give you the prescription and send you off. Walmart doesn't just take your word that you need it. People who have healthcare that won't cover contraceptive based care will have to seek out of coverage doctors. You're assuming everyone's insurance/healthcare works the exact same way when it in fact does not.

Really? My doctor gives me the option of them calling my prescription into the pharmacy I have on file or providing me a printed prescription that I can get filled where I chose. With my plan I pay $10 or less for generic or 20% on name brand, on long term prescription I get a 90 supply for the price of 60 days ($20 for 90 days). There are times I can get the prescription for less at Walmart.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Talkin' cost huh?

Ask yourself which is cheaper buying birth controls pills or the cost of unplanned pregnancies??

You do realize, don't you, that a woman is perfectly free to go out and get an Plan B bill on her own or avail herself of any of the 3 other methods to HL won't cover. I'm 55 and my company won't pay for an annual EKG. WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! Liberals need to grow up and learn that they don't get every effing thing for free. You're nothing but a bunch of spoiled brats.

 

[Jaskalas]

Court finds conflict with laws... rules in a way you don't like, it's perfectly normal and reasonable for Congress to change the law in order to change the outcome. It'd be rather stupid if they couldn't.

Now... getting Congress to agree to pass something... good luck with that.

 

[Zorba]

Really? My doctor gives me the option of them calling my prescription into the pharmacy I have on file or providing me a printed prescription that I can get filled where I chose. With my plan I pay $10 or less for generic or 20% on name brand, on long term prescription I get a 90 supply for the price of 60 days ($20 for 90 days). There are times I can get the prescription for less at Walmart.

I don't know what he is talking about a doctor refusing to write an Rx for a non-covered drug. I don't think I have ever had a doctor look up my drug coverage before giving me an Rx before, definitely not for my wife's birth control. Maybe if you are trying to get $1,000 medication, but not BC.

Our plan used to not cover BC at all, the doctor would still write the Rx for any pill my wife wanted, but we had to pay full price. If the insurance doesn't cover it, there is no discount, no $10 or less for generics, no mail-order 90 day supply for the cost of 30 days retail, etc. But you can pay cash for it.

BTW: I am completely against the outcome of this ruling, but for AyashiKaibutsu to suggest it will completely prevent women from having access to BC is completely wrong.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Just sever this ridiculous "corporation = person" link and all of this bullcrap goes away.

It's complete lunacy to me that people are bickering about birth control when the real monster in the room keeps eating people.

 

[glenn1]

Talkin' cost huh?

Ask yourself which is cheaper buying birth controls pills or the cost of unplanned pregnancies??

Sure, since it seems to be about buying womens' votes with subsidies that are basically paid by men and how it's a "war against women" unless you let them have it without question. Maybe Republicans can raise the ante and instead of "free" birth control, offer to give them taxpayer funded kitchen appliances. One of those nice Kitcheaid mixers cost a lot more than birth control, especially when you're talking about the big 6-quart version. Or maybe just give men an equivalent taxpayer subsidy, say for 2 beers daily since moderate alcohol consumption has been shown to lower stroke risk.

 

[glenn1]

Just sever this ridiculous "corporation = person" link and all of this bullcrap goes away.

Yes, because it will be so much better if corporations weren't people and the Bill of Rights didn't apply to them. It sure would make life so much easier if the NSA didn't need a warrant to seize your data from the telecoms since 4th Amendment didn't apply, have corporate property confiscated without compensation, and all kinds of other fun things.

 

[nehalem256]

Sure, since it seems to be about buying womens' votes with subsidies that are basically paid by men and how it's a "war against women" unless you let them have it without question. Maybe Republicans can raise the ante and instead of "free" birth control, offer to give them taxpayer funded kitchen appliances. One of those nice Kitcheaid mixers cost a lot more than birth control, especially when you're talking about the big 6-quart version. Or maybe just give men an equivalent taxpayer subsidy, say for 2 beers daily since moderate alcohol consumption has been shown to lower stroke risk.

Two words to permanent Republic majority: "Free Chocolate".

 

[MrPickins]

Sure, since it seems to be about buying womens' votes with subsidies that are basically paid by men and how it's a "war against women" unless you let them have it without question. Maybe Republicans can raise the ante and instead of "free" birth control, offer to give them taxpayer funded kitchen appliances. One of those nice Kitcheaid mixers cost a lot more than birth control, especially when you're talking about the big 6-quart version. Or maybe just give men an equivalent taxpayer subsidy, say for 2 beers daily since moderate alcohol consumption has been shown to lower stroke risk.

Do men not also benefit from women using birth control?

 

[glenn1]

Do men not also benefit from women using birth control?

So everyone should pay higher premiums so that you and other breeders can fuck your wife for cheaper?

 

[nehalem256]

Do men not also benefit from women using birth control?

So if a woman claims to be using the BC, that a man is paying for, then turns out to be lying and gets pregnant you would be all for that man not having to pay child support right?

EDIT: Also, if birth control is benefiting men as well as women how can not covering it be part a "war on women"?

 

[Zorba]

Sure, since it seems to be about buying womens' votes with subsidies that are basically paid by men and how it's a "war against women" unless you let them have it without question. Maybe Republicans can raise the ante and instead of "free" birth control, offer to give them taxpayer funded kitchen appliances. One of those nice Kitcheaid mixers cost a lot more than birth control, especially when you're talking about the big 6-quart version. Or maybe just give men an equivalent taxpayer subsidy, say for 2 beers daily since moderate alcohol consumption has been shown to lower stroke risk.

Do women not pay for insurance? I am pretty sure it comes out of my wife's pay check the same as it does mine.

 

[Zorba]

So everyone should pay higher premiums so that you and other breeders can fuck your wife for cheaper?

So everyone should pay for lipator because you ate bacon your whole life? Or you diabetes supplies because you drank pop your whole life?

I am sorry you can't get any women to touch your willie, but sex is a natural part of life and birth control helps society in many ways, much more so than many much more expensive medications/procedures that no one seems to have an issue with.

 

[nehalem256]

Do women not pay for insurance? I am pretty sure it comes out of my wife's pay check the same as it does mine.

Women consume more health care, but pay the same price as men.

This is clearly a male->female subsidy.

 

[nehalem256]

So everyone should pay for lipator because you ate bacon your whole life? Or you diabetes supplies because you drank pop your whole life?

The ACA appears to allow for charging smokers and fatasses more.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/29/health-plans-obese-smokers-supreme-court_n_1636139.html

I am sorry you can't get any women to touch your willie, but sex is a natural part of life and birth control helps society in many ways, much more so than many much more expensive medications/procedures that no one seems to have an issue with.

Ah, so you admit that free BC isn't about "preventative healthcare", but pushing the liberal social agenda.

 

[SunnyD]

Yes, because it will be so much better if corporations weren't people and the Bill of Rights didn't apply to them. It sure would make life so much easier if the NSA didn't need a warrant to seize your data from the telecoms since 4th Amendment didn't apply, have corporate property confiscated without compensation, and all kinds of other fun things.

The 4th Amendment doesn't go away if a corporation isn't a person. If anything, breaking the link would make individual privacy rights stronger. Look at the EU - the person retains their privacy rights to their data, not the company.

But again, it's all a matter of perspective. A perspective that has been perverted massively over the past century or so.

 

[CitizenKain]

You do realize, don't you, that a woman is perfectly free to go out and get an Plan B bill on her own or avail herself of any of the 3 other methods to HL won't cover. I'm 55 and my company won't pay for an annual EKG. WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! Liberals need to grow up and learn that they don't get every effing thing for free. You're nothing but a bunch of spoiled brats.

Old and stupid, the perfect type of people that vote republican.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Why is any form of birth control or Viagra or anything similar even covered? Shouldn't these be considered elective? Are breast implants covered? If not, they should be since birth control is. I just need a better understanding of why birth control should even be covered.

 

[Zorba]

Why is any form of birth control or Viagra or anything similar even covered? Shouldn't these be considered elective? Are breast implants covered? If not, they should be since birth control is. I just need a better understanding of why birth control should even be covered.

Birth control prevents a costly medical condition, like teeth cleanings and vaccines. Viagra treats a medical condition.

 

[glenn1]

I just need a better understanding of why birth control should even be covered.

Because Democrats like sex and womens' votes, and figured it was a huge win if they could have Republican men help subsidize getting more of both.

 

[senseamp]

Yes, because it will be so much better if corporations weren't people and the Bill of Rights didn't apply to them. It sure would make life so much easier if the NSA didn't need a warrant to seize your data from the telecoms since 4th Amendment didn't apply, have corporate property confiscated without compensation, and all kinds of other fun things.

Wait, you really think that when Republican clerics on SCOTUS say corporations are people, they mean the customers? Bwahahahaa. Good one. :thumbsup:

 

[Sonikku]

Getting real tired of the Libs trampling all over the rights of the people (corporations) around here.

 

[Zorba]

Because Democrats like sex and womens' votes, and figured it was a huge win if they could have Republican men help subsidize getting more of both.

Do you honestly think no men or conservatives enjoy sex?