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One SC Justice gave advice to Democrats to Countermand the SC Hobby Lobby Decision

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Patty Murray bill takes on Hobby Lobby contraceptives ruling

Taking up advice offered by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., in the Hobby Lobby case, Sen. Patty Murray and fellow Democrats are introducing legislation to get around the Supreme Court’s ruling on contraceptive coverage.

WASHINGTON — Taking up advice from Supreme Court Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., congressional Democrats Wednesday introduced legislation to get around the court’s decision last month to exempt private corporations from having to provide coverage for birth-control pills and devices that violate the companies’ religious beliefs.

The companion bills — the Senate version co-authored by Patty Murray of Washington and Mark Udall of Colorado — are perhaps the sharpest pushback against judicial authority since the 2010 Citizen United ruling that greenlighted unlimited independent campaign spending by corporations and unions.

The Murray-Udall bill would address the court’s June 30 opinion that Hobby Lobby Stores and other closely-held for-profit companies can opt out of providing contraceptive coverage. Birth control coverage without copays is among mandatory preventive services that employers must provide under the federal Affordable Care Act.

A companion bill in the House is being introduced by Reps. Louise Slaughter and Jerrold Nadler of New York, and Diana DeGette of Colorado.

Democrats said they are channeling widespread anger and fear that the ruling will embolden employers to deny coverage for vaccines, HIV treatment and other services that violate their values.

In January, Murray, Sen. Maria Cantwell and 17 other Senate Democrats filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court to argue that secular for-profit companies had no right to impose their owners’ religious beliefs on people on their payrolls.

“Women across the country are outraged” that CEOs can interfere with health-care decisions, Murray said at a news conference Wednesday at the Capitol, where she was flanked by lawmakers and reproductive-rights advocates.

Women are “tired of being targeted and are looking to Congress to right this wrong by the Supreme Court,” Murray said.

Justice Roberts himself suggested a legislative remedy during oral arguments in March. Roberts pushed back against Solicitor General Donald Verrilli’s argument that the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act that prohibited the government from “substantially burden(ing) a person’s exercise of religion” was never intended to apply to for-profit corporations.

“Well, if Congress feels as strongly about this as you suggest, they can always pass an exemption,” Roberts said.

Murray said the bill had support from about 40 senators, all Democrats. The legislation would ban employers from refusing coverage for any benefits guaranteed under the Affordable Care Act. It also specifies that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act is not grounds for such refusal.

Hobby Lobby, a family-owned national craft-store chain, objected to coverage for emergency contraceptives known as morning-after pills. The company argued the pills, sold under brand names Plan B and ella, worked by aborting fertilized eggs. However, researchers believe the pills prevent conception by keeping the egg and sperm from meeting.

A second, Christian family-owned company, Conestoga Wood Specialties, made the same challenge.

In a 5-4 opinion, the justices said requiring such coverage created substantial burden on the companies’ religious liberty.

Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Action Fund, said her group was mobilizing women across the country. Richards said women use contraceptives for medical reasons as well as to guard against pregnancies, and denying them coverage was gender discrimination.

Ilyse Hogue, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, said the Obama administration allowed “reasonable” exemptions under the health-care law for churches and religious nonprofits. But private corporations, she said, deserve no such accommodation, and their owners’ personal beliefs should not impinge on their workers’ rights.

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This has to be the biggest push back I have ever seen against a "political activist court". They may just be able to enact this and get around it.
 
LOL I thought for sure this would get some people's attention:

The legislation would ban employers from refusing coverage for any benefits guaranteed under the Affordable Care Act. It also specifies that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act is not grounds for such refusal.
 
It's dead in the House. You can forget it...won't happen. Hell, it will get filibustered in the Senate most likely too.
 
IMO the RFRA is a bad law in the first place. I think it's unfortunate that the Left is getting so upset at the court's entirely reasonable interpretation of the law rather than the law itself. Ginsberg said the majority was creating a minefield with their decision, but it was Congress that created it when the passed the RFRA and it's not the court's job to fix it.


This has to be the biggest push back I have ever seen against a "political activist court". They may just be able to enact this and get around it.


You don't like the implications of the decision, and there are several legislative remedies available ranging from exempting Obacare to repealing or revising the RFRA. I don't see why you have to paint this as some kind of war with the SCOTUS.
 
IMO the RFRA is a bad law in the first place. I think it's unfortunate that the Left is getting so upset at the court's entirely reasonable interpretation of the law rather than the law itself. Ginsberg said the majority was creating a minefield with their decision, but it was Congress that created it when the passed the RFRA and it's not the court's job to fix it.



You don't like the implications of the decision, and there are several legislative remedies available ranging from exempting Obacare to repealing or revising the RFRA. I don't see why you have to paint this as some kind of war with the SCOTUS.

How can you call a decision based on scientific illiteracy, reasonable??
 
Well I agree it may be very iffy that this thing gets passed. But I do know that Barbara Boxer and these other ladies did what most thought would be impossible with the current congress and they got the Lilly Ledbetter act fixed and passed. So I imagine that they will be like a pit bull with a bone, and won't let go of this easily. I suspect that with enough pressure on the Republicans they might be able to get enough votes to get it passed. This will certainly be one to watch.
 
Well I agree it may be very iffy that this thing gets passed. But I do know that Barbara Boxer and these other ladies did what most thought would be impossible with the current congress and they got the Lilly Ledbetter act fixed and passed. So I imagine that they will be like a pit bull with a bone, and won't let go of this easily. I suspect that with enough pressure on the Republicans they might be able to get enough votes to get it passed. This will certainly be one to watch.

Just more evidence that some women can be bought off very cheaply, in this case the price being a subsidy for their birth control paid for by their fathers, husbands, and sons. Men would ask for a helluva lot more for their votes.
 
Hm.....so I wonder if companies can now also opt out of covering immunizations, since that also goes against some superstitious beliefs. Or operations that would require a blood transfusion. Or the use of any manner of modern medicine.
 
Just more evidence that some women can be bought off very cheaply, in this case the price being a subsidy for their birth control paid for by their fathers, husbands, and sons. Men would ask for a helluva lot more for their votes.

I know. I mean you can buy months worth of pills for what an AR costs.
 
Just more evidence that some women can be bought off very cheaply, in this case the price being a subsidy for their birth control paid for by their fathers, husbands, and sons. Men would ask for a helluva lot more for their votes.

Talkin' cost huh?

Ask yourself which is cheaper buying birth controls pills or the cost of unplanned pregnancies??
 
I guess Republicans can block it, and then Democrats can use it against them with women. This is now hitting white middle class women who work for corporations.
And it's now conflating abortion issue on which there is a fairly even split, with contraception, which has nearly unanimous support.
If a significant percentage of these women turn against GOP over this, it's not going to be pretty.
 
What's truly sad is the amount of money that has been spent "debating" this topic, could have instead just been used to buy birth control pills for everyone.
 
It's dead in the House. You can forget it...won't happen. Hell, it will get filibustered in the Senate most likely too.

Won't be filibustered in the Senate. The Dems will not allow it to get even that far in the process, will not push the Democrats who are up for re-election to make any potentially controversial decisions in preparation for the Nov. elections.

They want the media coverage but have no intentions of taking any actions. In past years this would be plastered all over the place as more evidence of this so-called war on women. They'd do anything to force Republicans to vote. Not this year. Not this election cycle.
 
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Hm.....so I wonder if companies can now also opt out of covering immunizations, since that also goes against some superstitious beliefs. Or operations that would require a blood transfusion. Or the use of any manner of modern medicine.

read the ruling and you'll get your answer

hint: its no.
 
What about the cost of going to doctors to get the prescriptions to begin with? Walmart doesn't just take your word that you need prescription drugs hence why it's part of healthcare.

Are you saying visits to physicians aren't covered? Since when does having medical coverage release Walmart from needing a prescription to dispense?
 
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Are you saying visits to physicians aren't covered? Since when does having medical coverage release Walmart from needing a prescription to dispense?

I know attempting to get prescriptions that aren't in tricare's formulary is very difficult and ones not in their extended formulary impossible. I imagine non-coverage creates much more roadblocks for people than you are assuming with the narrow view your choosing to take (surprising considering I thought you worked in healthcare?).
 
I know attempting to get prescriptions that aren't in tricare's formulary is very difficult and ones not in their extended formulary impossible. I imagine non-coverage creates much more roadblocks for people than you are assuming with the narrow view your choosing to take (surprising considering I thought you worked in healthcare?).

Formularies are for payment of medications through insurance. If it's non formulary the alternative is to pay cash, in this case $9. Yes I do this for a living. Cash works when all else fails.
 
Formularies are for payment of medications through insurance. If it's non formulary the alternative is to pay cash, in this case $9. Yes I do this for a living. Cash works when all else fails.

You miss the point. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET THE PRESCRIPTION IF IT'S NOT ON THE FORUMLARY. No doctor in the system will just give you the prescription and send you off. Walmart doesn't just take your word that you need it. People who have healthcare that won't cover contraceptive based care will have to seek out of coverage doctors. You're assuming everyone's insurance/healthcare works the exact same way when it in fact does not.
 
read the ruling and you'll get your answer

hint: its no.

This is exactly the problem though. Isn't it kind of backwards that they're actually having to point out that this doesn't apply to other people's religious beliefs about medications?

Or does Christianity just get an exception?

EDIT: Post 69 would come on a discussion on birth control...giggity.
 
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