One reason Alan Grayson needs to be re-elected: the alternative

Craig234

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One of the ways people who could never get elected, for good reason, do so is when voting against someone gets so extreme the alternative isn't looked at, just voted for.

Put Alan Grayson out of the picture for a moment. Just look at his opponent.

This is an example of a monster, who is all too common, who has a radical right agenda. He's sneering at Miranda rights, sneering at our legal system, and demagoguing against the minority group of Muslims, saying basically to largely ignore any rights they might have and take shortcuts on equality. The many who are wrongly harmed by this, he's in favor of.

Why? It seems clear he does this as extreme pandering to the 'mob mentality', the guy who shows up and demands 'get rid of that Sheriff who says no and tried to protect the prisoner against you good people's desires, and put ME in charge and you will get your lynching and justice!'

Why would he pander and throw away the rights of people like that? Because it's politically effective to give the mob what they want, and not to stand up for right to them.

And why does he want that power?

Now that's the real question you won't people who like his ad asking.

In my experience, panderers like this are almost always trying to get power for some unstated other agenda, often that's AGAINST the interests of the very people they're asking for votes from (if it were a good agenda, they'd be talking about it instead of the pandering issue), and that's dangerous. Trillions of dollars in spending, civil rights, who is helped by the government and much more are at stake with this guy, and all he wants to do is to try to get votes with disgusting pandering.

This guy needs a no vote, badly. Even if you don't like Alan Grayson, ask yourself if he isn't far less bad than this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umTITWQuXwY&feature=player_embedded
 

MotF Bane

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Or, a better idea - you vote for the best candidate for the job, and very likely, that won't be Alan Grayson or Dan Faneli. If you continue to vote for the lesser evil, you will still continually be voting for evil.
 

cubby1223

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Craig, you seriously need to get out more. You are *sorely* lacking a sense of humor.

That ad was pretty damn funny
 

cubby1223

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I think you're so wrapped up in your blogs & journals & ideology & what-not, that you've completely forgotten that there is a world out there to go experience and have fun living in.
 
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Or, a better idea - you vote for the best candidate for the job, and very likely, that won't be Alan Grayson or Dan Faneli. If you continue to vote for the lesser evil, you will still continually be voting for evil.
This.

Faneli is a douche and so is Grayson. How about voting for someone that's not a douche instead of voting strictly based on the party line?
 

BoomerD

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Craig, you seriously need to get out more. You are *sorely* lacking a sense of humor.

That ad was pretty damn funny

I gotta agree...and I agree with his points.

Instead of putting EVERYONE under a microscope...let's first look at the folks who LOOK like terrorists and have shown a propensity for airplane-related terror.

AFAIK, there haven't been too many white grandmother-looking shoe bombers or airplane hijackers...

That doesn't mean that muslim-looking people shouldn't be allowed to fly, but it should mean that they get a bit more scrutiny beforehand.
 

cumhail

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I gotta agree...and I agree with his points.

Instead of putting EVERYONE under a microscope...let's first look at the folks who LOOK like terrorists and have shown a propensity for airplane-related terror.

AFAIK, there haven't been too many white grandmother-looking shoe bombers or airplane hijackers...

That doesn't mean that muslim-looking people shouldn't be allowed to fly, but it should mean that they get a bit more scrutiny beforehand.

And what does a "Muslim-looking" person look like? You are aware that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not Arabs/Semites, right? That there are officially as many, and unofficially likely more, Muslims in China than in Saudi Arabia? That there are about 3x as many Nigerian Muslims and more than 8x as many Indonesian Muslims as there are Saudis? That of the top five most Muslim-populous countries, only one (Egypt, the fifth) is at all Arab... with other ethnic groups mixed in (like Anwar El Sadat, their former president, who was half-Nubian)?

So which of these are the "muslim looking people" that should "get a bit more scrutiny beforehand?"
 

BoomerD

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And what does a "Muslim-looking" person look like? You are aware that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not Arabs/Semites, right? That there are officially as many, and unofficially likely more, Muslims in China than in Saudi Arabia? That there are about 3x as many Nigerian Muslims and more than 8x as many Indonesian Muslims as there are Saudis? That of the top five most Muslim-populous countries, only one (Egypt, the fifth) is at all Arab... with other ethnic groups mixed in (like Anwar El Sadat, their former president, who was half-Nubian)?

So which of these are the "muslim looking people" that should "get a bit more scrutiny beforehand?"

ALL of them...:p

Yes, I understand your points...and NO, I don't think the 9-11 hijackers all wore turbans/towels/rags, etc.
 

Zebo

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This is an example of a monster, who is all too common, who has a radical right agenda. He's sneering at Miranda rights, sneering at our legal system, and demagoguing against the minority group of Muslims, saying basically to largely ignore any rights they might have and take shortcuts on equality. The many who are wrongly harmed by this, he's in favor of.
If there is another huge terror attack Alan Greyson won't save us from what will happen.
 

Craig234

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If there is another huge terror attack Alan Greyson won't save us from what will happen.

Better than his opponent, he will, and he won't *cause* the attack like his opponent.

It's not about 'terror attacks'. It's about the agenda for the rich.

The 'terror attacks' crap is about as relevant as how pretty the girl in the beer ad is to the quality of the beer - it gets votes.
 

Vette73

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I gotta agree...and I agree with his points.

Instead of putting EVERYONE under a microscope...let's first look at the folks who LOOK like terrorists and have shown a propensity for airplane-related terror.

AFAIK, there haven't been too many white grandmother-looking shoe bombers or airplane hijackers...

That doesn't mean that muslim-looking people shouldn't be allowed to fly, but it should mean that they get a bit more scrutiny beforehand.


If you or anybody else kept up with the news and know how REAL terrorists work you would know they now use women and even children a lot in the middle east now due to the fact men were being stopped while most women and children went right through.

Only look for 1 and they will use the one you do not look for and make you pay even bigger.
 

MotF Bane

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Better than his opponent, he will, and he won't *cause* the attack like his opponent.

It's not about 'terror attacks'. It's about the agenda for the rich.

The 'terror attacks' crap is about as relevant as how pretty the girl in the beer ad is to the quality of the beer - it gets votes.

FEAARRRRRR!!!! VOTE DEMOCRAT!!! :rolleyes:
 

Double Trouble

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Without knowing anything about him, based on Craig's post, am I safe in assuming Dan Faneli is the much better candidate?
 

cubby1223

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It's not about 'terror attacks'.
Really? You were able to deduce that from the ad? Wow, you have AMAZING powers of insight!!! No wonder you're so much smarter than dumb ol' me! I'm glad we have you on this forum to point out the obvious!

It's about the agenda for the rich.
Has the thought truly never occurred to you that you may be wrong? I know it's very simple to say "Well, all progressives want to do is help the poor, therefore anyone who opposes the progressives has a secret agenda protecting the rich."

Whatever, you're a lost cause :D Couldn't get that luxury apartment space next to your hero Chavez?
 

bamacre

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Alan Grayson is a certified loon. Batshit crazy. He's a client of Peter Schiff's EuroPacific Capital for Christ's sake.