One More Smackdown for Donny.

Viper1j

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Just put them with the rest.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/30/poli...ctuary-city-law-enforcement-grants/index.html

US judge rules against Trump administration in suit over policing grants to 'sanctuary cities'

A federal judge ruled against the Justice Department on Friday in a lawsuit over withholding federal money from so-called sanctuary cities, the latest blow to the Trump administration's hardline immigration tactics.

The lawsuit challenged the Justice Department's efforts to punish sanctuary cities by withholding a key law enforcement grant the department said was available only to cities that complied with specific immigration enforcement measures.

In July 2017, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced that applicants for Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assistance Grants would have to comply with federal immigration enforcement in ways that were unlike years past, like allowing federal law enforcement agents to have access to detainees in jails for questioning about their immigration status.

According to the ruling, the seven states involved in the lawsuit, as well as New York City, had been receiving the grant money since Congress created the fund for the "modern version of the program in 2006," and the funds "collectively totaled over $25 million."

"In 2017, for the first time in the history of the program, the U.S. Department of Justice ('DOJ') and Attorney General (collectively, 'Defendants') imposed three immigration-related conditions that grantees must comply with in order to receive funding," wrote Judge Edgardo Ramos, of the US District Court for the Southern District of New York, in his ruling.

New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood led the suit and was joined by New Jersey, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Washington state and Virginia. Underwood said in a statement on Friday that the ruling was "a major win for New Yorkers' public safety." CNN has reached out to the Justice Department for comment.

This isn't the first ruling of its kind -- in April, a panel of three judges from the 7th US Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a ruling in favor of the city of Chicago that blocked the Justice Department from adding new requirements for the policing grants.
 
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trenchfoot

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Trump is willing to make people painfully suffer physically and mentally in order to pander to his base.

That right there says it all about the guy who would be Tyrant in Chief.

A$$hole.
 

Vic

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I've first hand knowledge that Trump's base wants Sanctuary Cities to end, by any means possible.
You blame Trump as President, as their leader, but it's more than him. Someone had to elect him.
The problem there is this false narrative of Sanctuary Cities. They're not 'Sanctuary Cities.' They are Anti-Commandeering Cities. The federal government is required by law to use its own agencies and resources to enforce federal law. The federal govt has no lawful authority whatsoever to commandeer state and local agencies in order to enforce federal law.
 
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I've first hand knowledge that Trump's base wants Sanctuary Cities to end, by any means possible.
You blame Trump as President, as their leader, but it's more than him. Someone had to elect him.

Turmp's base also doesn't know jack shit. Many of them live in areas where if it wasn't for recent immigrants (let alone their ancestors immigrating), they'd be living in ghost towns, as they're the ones keeping a lot of rural areas from dying off completely.

No shit its more than him, the problem is he's actually working to make their vision a reality. Its one thing for your racist uncle or shithead shut-in neighbor to be ranting about immigrants, its another thing for the President to be actively trying to institute policy that is built on that hatred.
 
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blackangst1

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The problem there is this false narrative of Sanctuary Cities. They're not 'Sanctuary Cities.' They are Anti-Commandeering Cities. The federal government is required by law to use its own agencies and resources to enforce federal law. The federal govt has no lawful authority whatsoever to commandeer state and local agencies in order to enforce federal law.

Thid
 

shortylickens

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The problem there is this false narrative of Sanctuary Cities. They're not 'Sanctuary Cities.' They are Anti-Commandeering Cities. The federal government is required by law to use its own agencies and resources to enforce federal law. The federal govt has no lawful authority whatsoever to commandeer state and local agencies in order to enforce federal law.

They dont?
None whatsoever?
Really?

Can we get a law student in here to investigate that? Cuz I'm honestly not sure.
 

Viper1j

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I've first hand knowledge that Trump's base wants Sanctuary Cities to end, by any means possible.
You blame Trump as President, as their leader, but it's more than him. Someone had to elect him.

“Two factors are necessary for a resurgence of Nazism,” “a worsening of social conditions till they approximate those of the early thirties and the emergence of a Hitler-like leader. Should both these factors come into being, neo-Nazi groups around the world would of course become a focus of danger," -- Ira Levin: The Boys from Brazil.

What's missing from that quote?

People willing to follow him.
 

Viper1j

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They dont?
None whatsoever?
Really?

Can we get a law student in here to investigate that? Cuz I'm honestly not sure.

Where certain crimes violate both state and federal law, (the sign on the door says that all bank robberies are investigated by the FBI, but they are always not the first responding agency). Federal law enforcement may take over an investigation, or let a state agency handle it, or work with cooperation.

But federal law enforcement can not walk into a Police Department and start ordering city officers around.
 

Jaskalas

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“Two factors are necessary for a resurgence of Nazism,” “a worsening of social conditions till they approximate those of the early thirties and the emergence of a Hitler-like leader. Should both these factors come into being, neo-Nazi groups around the world would of course become a focus of danger," -- Ira Levin: The Boys from Brazil.

What's missing from that quote?

People willing to follow him.

I suppose that's covered by "worsening of social conditions", because people will look for scapegoats when injured. Like say, by 40 years of trickle down economics. Republicans may be the ones screwing our people over, but it has far reaching consequences when the people don't know the truth, when they think they are electing a savior and its "other" people that are the problem.

I mean, Trump's economic message, (the intent, not the failed result) is appealing if one believes our workers can thrive in an economy of isolation. Where our woes are derived from our inability to compete with foreign workers with very poor living conditions. If we believed all the puffed up BS of how great, and unique, and magical America and its economy are. If bootstraps existed and all one needs is to stop the migrants from stealing them.

It's a disease of the mind, a collection of lies and misdirections that form together to create a compelling Republican narrative.

I mean, right from the start they ignore automation. As if that alone will not sweep the field of workers within a generation. If one realizes that, the factor of immigrants seems paltry by comparison. Yes it is tough to compete against lower wages, but not even slave labor competes with a robot. So even if their arguments were valid, they are only valid for the world as it was. Not for the world as it is, and/or will be tomorrow.

Problem is, they don't know that. They don't see it. Hell, if they did they'd probably freak the !@#$ out instead of calmly realizing the simplest solution. Because to find the answer, one must understand what an economy is in the first place. And how to maintain liquidity among the consumers even if the consumers are not workers. Basic Income (and similar solutions) are rather simple, but one has to be in a correct frame of mind / reference in order to accept such a leap in policy.

And at this point, it appears that for all the money spent, Americans appear woefully uneducated and unprepared for understanding the state of the world and how we need to respond to it, in order to help ourselves through turbulent waters ahead.
 

hal2kilo

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Just put them with the rest.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/30/poli...ctuary-city-law-enforcement-grants/index.html

US judge rules against Trump administration in suit over policing grants to 'sanctuary cities'

A federal judge ruled against the Justice Department on Friday in a lawsuit over withholding federal money from so-called sanctuary cities, the latest blow to the Trump administration's hardline immigration tactics.

The lawsuit challenged the Justice Department's efforts to punish sanctuary cities by withholding a key law enforcement grant the department said was available only to cities that complied with specific immigration enforcement measures.

In July 2017, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced that applicants for Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assistance Grants would have to comply with federal immigration enforcement in ways that were unlike years past, like allowing federal law enforcement agents to have access to detainees in jails for questioning about their immigration status.

According to the ruling, the seven states involved in the lawsuit, as well as New York City, had been receiving the grant money since Congress created the fund for the "modern version of the program in 2006," and the funds "collectively totaled over $25 million."

"In 2017, for the first time in the history of the program, the U.S. Department of Justice ('DOJ') and Attorney General (collectively, 'Defendants') imposed three immigration-related conditions that grantees must comply with in order to receive funding," wrote Judge Edgardo Ramos, of the US District Court for the Southern District of New York, in his ruling.

New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood led the suit and was joined by New Jersey, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Washington state and Virginia. Underwood said in a statement on Friday that the ruling was "a major win for New Yorkers' public safety." CNN has reached out to the Justice Department for comment.

This isn't the first ruling of its kind -- in April, a panel of three judges from the 7th US Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a ruling in favor of the city of Chicago that blocked the Justice Department from adding new requirements for the policing grants.
I'm happily surprised that Virginia was part of that suit. Our AG in Washington kicks ass!
 

woolfe9998

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He’s right. State employees cannot be forced to enforce federal law.

Right, on anything, not just immigration. If the federal government is going to forcibly co-opt state and local resources to enforce its laws, then it better be paying all our bills for those resources. Which it is not.