One good thing to like about China-- Death sentence for corruption

[RichardE]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...rruption.ap/index.html

BEIJING, China (AP) -- A former Beijing vice mayor in charge of overseeing Olympic construction projects has been given a death sentence for corruption, a court clerk and his lawyer said Sunday....

I think these sentences would be good policy to adopt in a democracy. I'm actually surprised they are not part of a democracy to be honest, and would completely support there adoption.

 

[winnar111]

We can't even execute repeat child molestors thanks to liberals on the Supreme Court. What's the chances of corruption?

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...rruption.ap/index.html

BEIJING, China (AP) -- A former Beijing vice mayor in charge of overseeing Olympic construction projects has been given a death sentence for corruption, a court clerk and his lawyer said Sunday....

I think these sentences would be good policy to adopt in a democracy. I'm actually surprised they are not part of a democracy to be honest, and would completely support there adoption.

Well we see where your heart lies, when are you moving there?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...rruption.ap/index.html

BEIJING, China (AP) -- A former Beijing vice mayor in charge of overseeing Olympic construction projects has been given a death sentence for corruption, a court clerk and his lawyer said Sunday....

I think these sentences would be good policy to adopt in a democracy. I'm actually surprised they are not part of a democracy to be honest, and would completely support there adoption.

Well we see where your heart lies, when are you moving there?

:laugh:

You mean the heart of killing people who take advantage of the system? Heck, I don't think corruption should be an issue in an authoritarian state moreso than a democratic one.

You don't agree with killing people for corruption, or you don't agree with the state killing people? Or do you think killing people in general is wrong?

 

[techs]

Hey, let's give the death penalty for jaywalking. And death to illegal music sharers.

Seriously, are you a fascist?

 

[StageLeft]

And yet China still has plenty of it. Fail.

Death penalties are generally adopted and/or maintained by 2nd and 3rd world countries who have some romantic sense of justice that they borrowed from unevolved societies or ancient history. The US is one of the few exceptions to this, as it's a 1st world, but still exercises this for the same reasons. The US needs less, not more death penalties.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: techs
Hey, let's give the death penalty for jaywalking. And death to illegal music sharers.

Seriously, are you a fascist?

You seriously cannot see the difference and potential impact between government corruption and jaywalking/music sharing?

How much less corruption would we have in government if we actively executed Senators/house members tried and convicted of corruption?

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...rruption.ap/index.html

BEIJING, China (AP) -- A former Beijing vice mayor in charge of overseeing Olympic construction projects has been given a death sentence for corruption, a court clerk and his lawyer said Sunday....

I think these sentences would be good policy to adopt in a democracy. I'm actually surprised they are not part of a democracy to be honest, and would completely support there adoption.

Ugh, no. Executing people for non-violent crimes is ridiculously barbaric. Fortunately for that guy if he's well-behaved in the next two years he may just have to serve a life sentence.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...rruption.ap/index.html

BEIJING, China (AP) -- A former Beijing vice mayor in charge of overseeing Olympic construction projects has been given a death sentence for corruption, a court clerk and his lawyer said Sunday....

I think these sentences would be good policy to adopt in a democracy. I'm actually surprised they are not part of a democracy to be honest, and would completely support there adoption.

Ugh, no. Executing people for non-violent crimes is ridiculously barbaric. Fortunately for that guy if he's well-behaved in the next two years he may just have to serve a life sentence.

Barbaric? If your "non-violent" crime destroys the lives of a few thousand, hundred thousand, ect people would that still be barbaric? What if your crime undermines the political institution of your country, making its foundation even weaker?

Yes, it is good he has a chance to redeem himself to life, something that obviously should be offered, but to call execution barbaric is naive.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: techs
Hey, let's give the death penalty for jaywalking. And death to illegal music sharers.

Seriously, are you a fascist?

You seriously cannot see the difference and potential impact between government corruption and jaywalking/music sharing?

How much less corruption would we have in government if we actively executed Senators/house members tried and convicted of corruption?

I don't think we'd have any incumbents if we tried it right now.

 

[sprok]

hmm.. it says he can get his sentence commuted to life for good behavior. is he as violent as he is corrupt?

 

[sisq0kidd]

I think the bigger problem is those who execute the corrupt are corrupt themselves. So who is going to execute the corrupt executing the corrupt?

 

[ICRS]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
And yet China still has plenty of it. Fail.

Death penalties are generally adopted and/or maintained by 2nd and 3rd world countries who have some romantic sense of justice that they borrowed from unevolved societies or ancient history. The US is one of the few exceptions to this, as it's a 1st world, but still exercises this for the same reasons. The US needs less, not more death penalties.

Singapore a great first world country uses the death penalty more per-capita than anyone. Japan and Taiwan also have the death penalty. I wouldn't call these 2nd or 3rd world countries either. Plenty of first world countries use the death penalty.

 

[ICRS]

China also uses the death penalty to silence people though. Because we know dead men tell no tails.

 

[Throckmorton]

China has no death penalty for authoritarianism....

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...rruption.ap/index.html

BEIJING, China (AP) -- A former Beijing vice mayor in charge of overseeing Olympic construction projects has been given a death sentence for corruption, a court clerk and his lawyer said Sunday....

I think these sentences would be good policy to adopt in a democracy. I'm actually surprised they are not part of a democracy to be honest, and would completely support there adoption.

Ugh, no. Executing people for non-violent crimes is ridiculously barbaric. Fortunately for that guy if he's well-behaved in the next two years he may just have to serve a life sentence.

Barbaric? If your "non-violent" crime destroys the lives of a few thousand, hundred thousand, ect people would that still be barbaric? What if your crime undermines the political institution of your country, making its foundation even weaker?

Yes, it is good he has a chance to redeem himself to life, something that obviously should be offered, but to call execution barbaric is naive.

Nice to see a sociopath be so honest.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...rruption.ap/index.html

BEIJING, China (AP) -- A former Beijing vice mayor in charge of overseeing Olympic construction projects has been given a death sentence for corruption, a court clerk and his lawyer said Sunday....

I think these sentences would be good policy to adopt in a democracy. I'm actually surprised they are not part of a democracy to be honest, and would completely support there adoption.

Ugh, no. Executing people for non-violent crimes is ridiculously barbaric. Fortunately for that guy if he's well-behaved in the next two years he may just have to serve a life sentence.

Barbaric? If your "non-violent" crime destroys the lives of a few thousand, hundred thousand, ect people would that still be barbaric? What if your crime undermines the political institution of your country, making its foundation even weaker?

Yes, it is good he has a chance to redeem himself to life, something that obviously should be offered, but to call execution barbaric is naive.

Nice to see a sociopath be so honest.

Who is more sociopathic, the one who values life so much he would rather let one person live and allow that person to destroy how many lives through corruption, or the one who wishes to protect the whole?

The execution of officials involved in corruption means a better life overall for the people in a democratic nation if this was to happen here.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...rruption.ap/index.html

BEIJING, China (AP) -- A former Beijing vice mayor in charge of overseeing Olympic construction projects has been given a death sentence for corruption, a court clerk and his lawyer said Sunday....

I think these sentences would be good policy to adopt in a democracy. I'm actually surprised they are not part of a democracy to be honest, and would completely support there adoption.

I don't know if you've looked this up recently or not, but killing people is a bad thing unless it?s a necessary measure to stop them from killing someone else.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: DixyCrat

Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...rruption.ap/index.html

BEIJING, China (AP) -- A former Beijing vice mayor in charge of overseeing Olympic construction projects has been given a death sentence for corruption, a court clerk and his lawyer said Sunday....

I think these sentences would be good policy to adopt in a democracy. I'm actually surprised they are not part of a democracy to be honest, and would completely support there adoption.

I don't know if you've looked this up recently or not, but killing people is a bad thing unless it?s a necessary measure to stop them from killing someone else.

Killing people can be a tool to keep an orderly society.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...rruption.ap/index.html

BEIJING, China (AP) -- A former Beijing vice mayor in charge of overseeing Olympic construction projects has been given a death sentence for corruption, a court clerk and his lawyer said Sunday....

I think these sentences would be good policy to adopt in a democracy. I'm actually surprised they are not part of a democracy to be honest, and would completely support there adoption.

Ugh, no. Executing people for non-violent crimes is ridiculously barbaric. Fortunately for that guy if he's well-behaved in the next two years he may just have to serve a life sentence.

Barbaric? If your "non-violent" crime destroys the lives of a few thousand, hundred thousand, ect people would that still be barbaric? What if your crime undermines the political institution of your country, making its foundation even weaker?

Yes, it is good he has a chance to redeem himself to life, something that obviously should be offered, but to call execution barbaric is naive.

Nice to see a sociopath be so honest.

Who is more sociopathic, the one who values life so much he would rather let one person live and allow that person to destroy how many lives through corruption, or the one who wishes to protect the whole?

The execution of officials involved in corruption means a better life overall for the people in a democratic nation if this was to happen here.

There is thing called prison, you may have heard of it.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...rruption.ap/index.html

BEIJING, China (AP) -- A former Beijing vice mayor in charge of overseeing Olympic construction projects has been given a death sentence for corruption, a court clerk and his lawyer said Sunday....

I think these sentences would be good policy to adopt in a democracy. I'm actually surprised they are not part of a democracy to be honest, and would completely support there adoption.

Ugh, no. Executing people for non-violent crimes is ridiculously barbaric. Fortunately for that guy if he's well-behaved in the next two years he may just have to serve a life sentence.

Barbaric? If your "non-violent" crime destroys the lives of a few thousand, hundred thousand, ect people would that still be barbaric? What if your crime undermines the political institution of your country, making its foundation even weaker?

Yes, it is good he has a chance to redeem himself to life, something that obviously should be offered, but to call execution barbaric is naive.

Nice to see a sociopath be so honest.

Who is more sociopathic, the one who values life so much he would rather let one person live and allow that person to destroy how many lives through corruption, or the one who wishes to protect the whole?

The execution of officials involved in corruption means a better life overall for the people in a democratic nation if this was to happen here.

There is thing called prison, you may have heard of it.

Club Fed, yeah, sure have.

Why not send the corrupt politicians to the *real* prisons?

As I said, execution can be a valuable tool to keeping an orderly and stable society.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: DixyCrat

Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...rruption.ap/index.html

BEIJING, China (AP) -- A former Beijing vice mayor in charge of overseeing Olympic construction projects has been given a death sentence for corruption, a court clerk and his lawyer said Sunday....

I think these sentences would be good policy to adopt in a democracy. I'm actually surprised they are not part of a democracy to be honest, and would completely support there adoption.

I don't know if you've looked this up recently or not, but killing people is a bad thing unless it?s a necessary measure to stop them from killing someone else.

Killing people can be a tool to keep an orderly society.

Your right, and so can killing their children, cutting of their wives toes, forcing them to eat their dogs, cutting off their noses.

There's a lot of stuff we can do to keep an orderly society, but apparently you are a flame bating troll, or maybe you can disprove me and give me an ethical standard on which you are basing your ideas (think hard, back to collage ethics class)

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Club Fed, yeah, sure have.

Why not send the corrupt politicians to the *real* prisons?

As I said, execution can be a valuable tool to keeping an orderly and stable society.

Yes, a fascist state benefits greatly from that.

 

[alphatarget1]

[sarcasm]Um, no. It's really effective that corruption in China has been decreasing[/sarcasm]

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: DixyCrat

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: DixyCrat

Originally posted by: RichardE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...rruption.ap/index.html

BEIJING, China (AP) -- A former Beijing vice mayor in charge of overseeing Olympic construction projects has been given a death sentence for corruption, a court clerk and his lawyer said Sunday....

I think these sentences would be good policy to adopt in a democracy. I'm actually surprised they are not part of a democracy to be honest, and would completely support there adoption.

I don't know if you've looked this up recently or not, but killing people is a bad thing unless it?s a necessary measure to stop them from killing someone else.

Killing people can be a tool to keep an orderly society.

Your right, and so can killing their children, cutting of their wives toes, forcing them to eat their dogs, cutting off their noses.

There's a lot of stuff we can do to keep an orderly society, but apparently you are a flame bating troll, or maybe you can disprove me and give me an ethical standard on which you are basing your ideas (think hard, back to collage ethics class)

As societies progress corruption becomes more rampant, and eventually will lead to the demise of your society (as can be seen often in history, think hard, back to your western history class). Using two very good deterrents to corruption, a large salary, and a very harsh sentence on corruption (death penalty) for those convicted and tried can both aid in ensuring that your society does not fail as a result of this. Would we have gone to war if major players potentially would have been executed for corruption related issues in regards to there profiteering from the war? Would the banking crisis be as bad if greed was held in check by the threat of execution due to corruption? How much better would our country be if we were able to combat corruption with such an ultimate tool?

The needs of many, and the preservation of your society far outweigh the individual need of one or a few. Especially if the one or the few are only in there situation due to a distinct disregard for the fabric of the society in which they are hired to serve due to greed.