One cop fired another disciplined for ordering deletion of recording

[Linux23]

My vote is that any cop who gives an order that is unlawful should be guilty of a felony.

agreed x 2

 

[rudeguy]

My point was that cops are not trained to lie in the sense of concealing a crime that they've committed, which I think is what JediYodi was implying (if not, I apologize).

Yes, a cop can lie to a subject that they are interviewing/interrogating. They can say they have evidence of a crime, when they really don't. They can say that other people arrested gave them up. Do people fall for that? Sure. But, that doesn't mean that the person needs to confess to the crime. And the cops can't lie to trick you into waiving your rights. If they are interrogating you, they MUST read you your rights. There's no exception to that. A person can stop talking at any time they want or ask for a lawyer at any time as well.

As for subjects lying to police, it is done all the time and in most cases, it is not a crime. If you are arrested for theft and the cop interrogates you and lie about where you were or that you didn't do it (when in reality you did), that's not against the law. However, if you lie to cover up what someone else has done, then yes, you can be charged with obstruction in many places. If you lie about who you are, depending on the location and if you are detained or arrested, you can be charged with obstruction or a similar charge.

- Merg

Are you going to answer me?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Yes, a cop can lie to a subject that they are interviewing/interrogating. They can say they have evidence of a crime, when they really don't. They can say that other people arrested gave them up. Do people fall for that? Sure. But, that doesn't mean that the person needs to confess to the crime.

So you are saying it's the fault of the person who got tricked? That the dirty liar is in the moral right? A used car salesman using flashy half-truths and outright lies is totally legit because the customer doesn't HAVE to buy the car? Are you a dick?

And the cops can't lie to trick you into waiving your rights.

Merg, you just said the opposite in the above quote. You just described the cops intentionally tricking someone out of their rights and then agreed they can do that. Your quote was that "people fall for that". How does one "fall for" something when not being tricked? Oh yeah, I "fell for" the truth. I "fell for" an honest attempt to inform me of my rights by someone who nobly gives a shit about them. I can't believe that you would make such a blatantly false statement. Does your defense of your beloved profession know any moral bounds?

If they are interrogating you, they MUST read you your rights. There's no exception to that. A person can stop talking at any time they want or ask for a lawyer at any time as well.

Yeah that's all fine and good if the cop tells him he has the right to remain silent and then the cop proceeds to ask simple questions. You are phrasing this as if cops never threaten to take away all of their freedom and everything they hold dear. "Confess and you won't get 15 years in jail." "Tell me what I want to know and I'll go easy on you." Many people confess simply out of terror from the lie-backed threats the cops make, or misplaced trust that the lying cop isn't actually a lying piece of shit. Blaming the terrified and/or trusting victim is rapist tactics.

 

[rudeguy]

funny that Merg ran away.

The moron posts like he actually knows what he's talking about, is proven wrong, twists his words, is proven wrong again, then runs and hides like a 5 year old girl.