onboard vga is such a burden

[Peter]

Just proves one thing - specifying, building and installing minimum budget machines that actually work, or high performance beasts at the other end of the spectrum, is MUCH harder than building a midrange machine. Going on the edge of the scale (either one) just requires more knowledge and thought than slapping something mediocre together from midrange parts.

 

[RobCur]

well folks just wanna let you know that I ordered 2 msi 6330 pro socket a mobo for only 31.85 shipped each, new with everything minus onboard vga. everything working very well. not like before constant crashes and then the board itself died namely the biostar m7vkq which performed well but like i said it did not last long and I can't just put in a pci vga card as it did not work either which resulted in 2 beeps, WTH??
This is with Duron 1.1ghz, Duron 1.3ghz both w/Generic ram pc133 512mb which of course is really trash to most people cause they have onboard vga and need high quality ram for stable operation. 3 of my other computer that is very slow is based on Celeron with biostar m6vlr mobo that I am dumping soon, replacing with... well not now maybe later when I have more $$$ as I am of now short of it.
Heck even sis 6326 agp card is much better, just as slow but more stable. Oh well you learn something new everyday LOL, folks take my advices it's all about knowledge and power, nothing else. Anyway I have too many AGP lieing around and I have to make use of it, otherwise it just sits their and rot for eternity, know what I mean?
everything is so much faster btw, my harddrive accesses faster and the lags are gone! Just amazing, damn man I finally did something right for the first and last time of course.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: RobCur
well folks just wanna let you know that I ordered 2 msi 6330 pro socket a mobo for only 31.85 shipped each, new with everything minus onboard vga. everything working very well. not like before constant crashes and then the board itself died namely the biostar m7vkq which performed well but like i said it did not last long and I can't just put in a pci vga card as it did not work either which resulted in 2 beeps, WTH??

Not a bad price, but I'd go with a K7S5A Pro for just under $50 and save a bit on RAM.

This is with Duron 1.1ghz, Duron 1.3ghz both w/Generic ram pc133 512mb which of course is really trash to most people cause they have onboard vga and need high quality ram for stable operation.

...or they use nice video and still need high quality RAM for stable operation. WHile I wouldn't get a Duron or recommend one, they are fine for normal email, browsing and such stuff. Though even there, going to an Athlon makes a difference.

3 of my other computer that is very slow is based on Celeron with biostar m6vlr mobo that I am dumping soon, replacing with... well not now maybe later when I have more $$$ as I am of now short of it.
Heck even sis 6326 agp card is much better, just as slow but more stable. Oh well you learn something new everyday LOL, folks take my advices it's all about knowledge and power, nothing else. Anyway I have too many AGP lieing around and I have to make use of it, otherwise it just sits their and rot for eternity, know what I mean?

Cards? You could send them to me...I have the opposite problem--no spare new AGP cards, and one 5v one.

everything is so much faster btw, my harddrive accesses faster and the lags are gone! Just amazing, damn man I finally did something right for the first and last time of course.

...it's gotta be the RAM .

 

[Ketchup]

Originally posted by: RobCur
well folks just wanna let you know that I ordered 2 msi 6330 pro socket a mobo for only 31.85 shipped each, new with everything minus onboard vga. everything working very well. not like before constant crashes and then the board itself died namely the biostar m7vkq which performed well but like i said it did not last long and I can't just put in a pci vga card as it did not work either which resulted in 2 beeps, WTH??
This is with Duron 1.1ghz, Duron 1.3ghz both w/Generic ram pc133 512mb which of course is really trash to most people cause they have onboard vga and need high quality ram for stable operation. 3 of my other computer that is very slow is based on Celeron with biostar m6vlr mobo that I am dumping soon, replacing with... well not now maybe later when I have more $$$ as I am of now short of it.
Heck even sis 6326 agp card is much better, just as slow but more stable. Oh well you learn something new everyday LOL, folks take my advices it's all about knowledge and power, nothing else. Anyway I have too many AGP lieing around and I have to make use of it, otherwise it just sits their and rot for eternity, know what I mean?
everything is so much faster btw, my harddrive accesses faster and the lags are gone! Just amazing, damn man I finally did something right for the first and last time of course.

You know, if you had spent your money once on good, high quality components, instead of spending money over and over on the cheapest components you could get your hands on, your experiences would be quite different.

 

[mechBgon]

That does it!

FUD, by mechBgon

• docta' mech's had enough of the dis-information :music:
  time to rhyme up a batch 'o med-i-cation :music:
  refutin' this FUD with the obvious facts
  it's 2003, not '99, Jack :|
  
  you got plenty to say, and repeat it a lot
  how onboard video ain't so hot? well
  it's simple to see what you're tryin' to state
  but it looks to docta' mech like you're three years late with it
  
  
  
  nForce flyin' high on docta' mech's LAN now
  Fiscal is declarin' me the miracle man now
  "wow this new system is like royal-ty ,"
  says the head of Clinic-al, talkin' to me
  
  "if I blink then I'm missin' what it did,
  it's so fast :Q" says my num-ber-1 Fis-cal lass
  onboard Ge-Force, yessiree, both of these rigs
  came with it for free
  
  DAPUNISHER's talkin', what's he sayin' :music:
  gettin' phat performance in the games he's play-in' :music:
  rackin' six-grand in a 3D-Mark benchie
  with nForce2's on-board I-G-P. hey ...are you startin' to see?
  this ain't your father's Olds-mobile, homie
  
  Other boys handin' you sage advice too
  no charge either, ain't they nice?
  spendin' time on you, with nothin' to gain
  'cept more of your in-finite FUD refrain
  
  
  
  docta' mech wishes you all the best :sun:
  not dissin' you bro, but give it a rest now
  you're talkin' big talk, let's see you walk it
  hyper-link up your 3DMark score, or caulk it
  FUD's cheap homes, we know it on sight
  Slingin' more of it doesn't make it right

 

[beatle]

ROFL! You're gonna get me FIRED!

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: RobCur
many reason to avoid, i don't care how poor you are, saving 20-30 bucks for a cheap external vga is just no excuses...not to mention onboard vga based mobo cost more so it pretty much pay for itself if you pay less for mobo and use that toward a vga card for 2-4 times performance.

1. slow down your memory performance greatly
2. reduces stability
3. most onboard manufacturer take out agp port thinking that onboard vga is superior to agp card!
4. generic or standard dimm/ddr will not do, you pay less for mobo now you gotta pay more for high quality ram or it will crash often.
5. i have a few board that fried itself because it didn't like my generic dimm lol.
6. very poor investment, you be better off with any board that don't have video and an agp slot instead. for christ's sake, never buy anything that shares bandwidth with your dimm because the cpu need at least 100 percent to function at maximum speed.
onboard audio/lan seem to be ok since it doesn't require much resources like video.

I think the problem is somewhere right between your monitor and your chair.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: Peter
Just proves one thing - specifying, building and installing minimum budget machines that actually work, or high performance beasts at the other end of the spectrum, is MUCH harder than building a midrange machine. Going on the edge of the scale (either one) just requires more knowledge and thought than slapping something mediocre together from midrange parts.

Amen to that. Im building a computer right now for someone with a $600 budget, and the minimum I want to make off it is $100, and of course shes got the 'OMG I NEED MEGAHURTZ AND LOTS OF RAMS' syndrome when all she wants to do with it is run microsoft office and browse the intarweb. Ive been trying to find a system that will satisfy her wants as well as her needs and my need to not be bothered every 3 weeks because the components are all crap. Im thinkin of just sellin her my old box and going nforce2/barton 2500+ though.

 

[RedRonin]

mechBgon: Excellent! For those who are unaware...

FUD - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. ie [that means, "as in"]: lies, misinformation and propaganda

Peter & nan0bug: Yeah, with a $500 budget one can certainly build a better than merely decent PC. It all depends upon whether or not you are reusing old parts and peripherals really. If you don't need a new OS, monitor, scanner, printer or whatnot, then everything you spend can go into the CPU box. I do recommend getting a new optical mouse and keyboard ($15-30) , both wireless if that can be had within budget ($40-65). Let's see... A motherboard ($55-100) with built-in LAN, audio and video (with available AGP slot, possibly even TV-Out)... If the client is on a dialup, they'll need a PCI modem ($10-20), otherwise skip it... Minimum 256 MB DDR RAM ($30-$35)... 80GB Hard Drive ($80), DVD/CD-RW Combo Drive ($70) and Floppy ($10) or Multimedia Reader ($25-40)... Processor ($45-90), Fan/Cooler ($7-25) and Case ($45-75)... Then just add some speakers ($30-55) and you're done! When you balance what the PC will be used for it becomes clear which points you should splurge on and which you can afford to be more frugal.

HUN-YA!

Red Ronin

 

[Peter]

My starting point for ultrabudget computers are the PC-Chips boards that come with EVERYTHING - including AMR/CNR modem card, graphics, sound, LAN, CPU, fan/heatsink - and still are only around 90 euros.
I found this choice to be astonishingly safe since typically that audience does not upgrade their computers EVER, apart from maybe going DSL and/or adding more RAM.