Onboard audio AC97 vs soundblaster Live!

Rhonda85

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I have been having problems with my soundblaster live value card, so I removed it an started using the onboard AC97 sound. I have heard negative things about using onboard sound, but I see no change at all. My FPS in games is no different, winstone 99 scores are the same and the sound out of my speakers it exactly the same. I have heard the onboard sound is a system hog, but I can't see (or hear) any difference. Comments?

Rhonda..
 

Willoughbyva

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Used to be onboard sound sucked, but the past couple years there have been pretty nice onboard sound built into motherboards. I use onboard sound and it is all I need. As long as your happy I wouldn't worry about it too much.

 

rbV5

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I have heard the onboard sound is a system hog, but I can't see (or hear) any difference. Comments?
Its your rig, who cares what anyone says if its working good for you?
 

Lord Evermore

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"hog" is a relative term. A software-based audio processor that uses 10% of the cycles of a 100MHz CPU may only use 5% of a 200MHz CPU. Back in the day, CPU power wasn't that great compared to what needed to be done. Now, we've got plenty of cycles to spare even when playing intense games. AC'97 with say, 2-channel output, really hasn't changed much. 2-channel audio only takes a certain amount of processing, and all things being equal, the efficiency of an AC'97 audio processor will become better over development time, so fewer cycles will be needed for each generation of a particular company's AC'97 solution. At the same time, the processor doing the work will have gotten hundreds of MHz faster, if not more than a GHz faster. The gap between needed cycles and available cycles grows wider and wider.

AC'97 has however changed to incorporate things like 4 channel audio, 6 channels, digital output, et cetera. That takes more cycles than standard 2-channel audio. Audio quality of AC'97 isn't nearly as good as a good hardware processor, but it is fully adequate for the average user; however when you move up to multiple channels of output, and various audio effects, the AC'97 processor will start to use more of the host CPU's cycles, and start to sound lower quality compared to a hardware processor.

Even in fast games, the CPU probably has a lot of unused cycles, so if an AC'97 audio processor only needs 1 or 2%, the hit to gaming performance or other apps isn't going to be very noticeable. I don't know if Winstone 99 uses audio output, but unless the system is actually outputting sound, the CPU isn't really doing any processing; the CPU cycles only get used when audio is being played, for the most part, so running a soundless benchmark shouldn't be affected at all.
 

holdencommodore

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Some onboard sound is better than others. AC97 codecs from Realtek, C-media, Analog Devices (SoundMAX) are quite decent intergrated solutions, most having, 6 channel, SPDIF Out, HRTF algorithims and Sensaura 3D (EAX1, 2 etc..) . By no means whatsoever are they audiophile quality, but they are fine for most people that use "multimedia" speakers. IMO, codecs from VIA are only adequate for "Office" sound, but may be fine for others. CPU usage isn't too bad with most codecs, my Realtek ALC201A uses roughly 10%, measured with Ziff Davis AudioWinbench 99 on a Duron 1200 @ 1333.

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xSauronx

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im happy with my onboard sound...at least happy enough that i dont feel like spending any money on something else, but im no audiophile...and i dont have the money to get a good soundcard AND good speakers to go with it
 

compudog

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The only thing I've noticed between onboard sound and SB Live is the midi wavetables sound much more realistic with the SB. Aside from that, I haven't really noticed. If the AC'97 is working, keep it that way.
 

Amber

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Rhonda85,
I have just started using my AC97 onboard sound after removing my soundblaster live 5.1 card, the soundblaster drivers would blow out in XP pro all the time, I use the line-in for my TV/FM card and the soundblaster has a humm in the line-in and the AC97 is clean , the AC97 drivers seam to work better with XP Pro and the sound is the same on my CA 3 peace speackers

I am a fan of onboard sound on the good MOB's (this is a MSI KT3)

and now I have 1 more PCI slot to fill
 

Mitzi

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Originally posted by: Amber


I am a fan of onboard sound on the good MOB's (this is a MSI KT3)

and now I have 1 more PCI slot to fill

I too am happily using the onboard sound on the MSI KT3. When I got this board I dumped my original SBLive to free up another slot. Because I only use a sh!tting pair of stereo speakers, I hardly notice the difference in sound quality/processing time between the AC97 and the SBLive.

I'm sure if I were running a decent pair of 5.1s off the AC97, the SBLive would be a much better solution though.

 

Rhonda85

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Gosh! I wish I would have tried my onboard sound before shelling out 50bucks for the SB live! I guess I'll just sell it now.
 

WinWiz

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I hace creative FPS 2200 system but i dont use the SB live 5.1 cause strange things happends when i increase my FSB speed above 140 Mhz. In my ears the onboard Cmedia chip sound just as god, and features optial in and out.
 

Bloodstein

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Well folks, I posted a posting a while ago on onboard sound vs. sound cards. Apparently the guys at the Sound forum didn't think of onboard sound to be very much. I personally am very happy with my onboard sound.
 

RustyNale

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I just upgraded to the Epox 8K9A2+, and thought I'd try the onboard sound instead of the Audigy that was in my old system. No problems with it at all, cept' it didn't have quite the depth of sound that the audigy has. If you after decent sound, go with the onboard. If you want more, go with an aftermarket card. JMTC's worth :)
 

Lord Evermore

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People who frequent an Audio or Sound specific forum are more likely to be "audiophiles", the kind of people who think they can tell the difference between using a Monster Cable and a lesser brand for a 3-foot coax connection, and feel that CDs are inferior to vinyl. Of course they're going to crap on onboard sound.
 

CraigRT

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The only real reason (IMHO) to change from onboard to a nice dedicated sound is for the sound quality... forget system resources. i can't see why that is a huge deal.... sound quality is fine for more than 50% of users out there. you need a good quality sound/speaker setup to hear differences anyways, so use the AC'97 if you think it sounds fine.... you likely can't hear any difference with your current speaker/sound setup anyways.... if you got a nice set of computer speakers or like me hooked up a home theater to my PC, you might be able to tell.

I use onboard sound on my EPoX P4 board through my home theater and it sounds mint, if that's any help to you. :D