On the subject of conservative gloating over the Trump win:

[Moonbeam]

Could it be the result of an impending sense of disaster, an attempt to bluster away a foreboding that the Republican sweep of all branches of government has yanked the props of their altered reality from under their feet, that they will not be able to shift the blame as effectively as they have before onto liberals. Could all that gloating really be fear?

I mean, really, who can't see that voting Trump was a death wish. What better way in the world to express ones self loathing. And to gloat and preen and make oneself uge, how better to suffer one's fall, to punish oneself.

I wonder if all the humiliated liberals crying in their beers weren't actually handed a gift. We always create what we fear.

 

[Kazukian]

I'm not celebrating a Trump win, I'm celebrating a Hillary loss.

Seriously though, there are lots of checks and balances in place, and the guy's a limousine liberal pragmatist. I think we dodged a bullet by not electing what I consider the most corrupt/amoral candidate I've ever seen run for POTUS, and I'm including Nixon.

I watched Obama's press conference yesterday, he talked about how the office shapes the president, and I believe that,

 

[Mai72]

Only time will tell.

Wasn't it just last year that many Dems were saying that the GOP is dead? Then what happens? They take the House, Senate, President, and Supreme Court. Life is very unpredictable.

Who knows. If Trump is firing on all cylinders and many of his promises are coming true than that will be good for Republicans. If many of his plans cause despair, frustration and we have massive riots than he will be quickly ushered out of office.

Again. Only time will tell.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I don't think they're gloating over Trump's win as much as they're gloating over seeing the elite/smug being so very wrong and having an omelet in their face.

 

[Commodus]

I'm not celebrating a Trump win, I'm celebrating a Hillary loss.

Seriously though, there are lots of checks and balances in place, and the guy's a limousine liberal pragmatist. I think we dodged a bullet by not electing what I consider the most corrupt/amoral candidate I've ever seen run for POTUS, and I'm including Nixon.

I watched Obama's press conference yesterday, he talked about how the office shapes the president, and I believe that,

The irony in calling Clinton "the most corrupt/amoral candidate" when Trump espoused racist, sexist and homophobic ideas, is taking on bank execs and anti-Semites for his cabinet, has cheated on two wives and likely committed sexual harassment against many other women, regularly stiffs contractors, made fun of a disabled person, lies far more often than Clinton, offered only lip service to discourage violence from his supporters, rejects the science of human-made climate change, faces trial over Trump U fraud... need I go on?

I don't pretend that Clinton is a saint, but Trump is about as corrupt and amoral as it gets. And it's hard to say he's a "limousine liberal pragmatist" given who he's surrounding himself with in office. Especially since Trump will try to avoid actual responsibilities during his term, it'll be those hardline conservatives and business tycoons running most of the show.

There's an unintended appropriateness to that picture: the person burning down the system is far worse than the system and must be stopped at all costs.

 

[Kazukian]

Commodus, I respect you and Moonbeam a lot, but I'm hopeful you're both wrong. We shall see.

Namaste'

 

[buckshot24]

I don't think they're gloating over Trump's win as much as they're gloating over seeing the elite/smug being so very wrong and having an omelet in their face.

Pretty much this.

 

[werepossum]

This is an amazingly ironic thread considering the amount of gloating by the far left members here just prior to Hillary's loss. Bitek even sent me images of Kleenex and Vasoline, and I'm not even a Trump voter.

 

[buckshot24]

This is an amazingly ironic thread considering the amount of gloating by the far left members here just prior to Hillary's loss. Bitek even sent me images of Kleenex and Vasoline, and I'm not even a Trump voter.

That is exactly why there is so much gloating.

 

[Moonbeam]

Pretty much this.

You and Londo are simply refining what gloating over a Trump win means. That's still gloating over a Trump win and well within what I meant by my catch all phrase.

You are still reacting to a perceived slight, we can agree, one that is also real, but it is always a slight to the ego of conservatives, those liberal elites and their smug self confidence get their pie hole stuffed. This can happen only as a result of self hate, the satisfaction of having proved to be a winner in the face of scorn, scorn that finds footing in your psyches because it is internally and unconsciously believed.

Furthermore, the reason you can't see this truth is because it is a truth you struggle with all your might to disprove. You just can't hide these things from people who are aware of how worthless they feel.

And don't waste your time getting mad. You will never achieve the level of enmity I discovered I already have for myself. So please please please don't throw me in that briar patch.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is an amazingly ironic thread considering the amount of gloating by the far left members here just prior to Hillary's loss. Bitek even sent me images of Kleenex and Vasoline, and I'm not even a Trump voter.

Don't you think it would have only been ironic if I was the one that sent those images? It seems to me I was quite vicious toward the Trump haters and bitterly lamented their liberal brain defects.

But I know somebody twisted your nickers and you might as well blame me, right?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

LMAO!!!! The only one's that seem to be mad are those with egg in their face. Poor smug elites who were so very wrong about the outcome of the election.

I'm a moderate so I didn't vote for Trump, I wrote in John Kasich.

 

[Sonikku]

Only time will tell.

Wasn't it just last year that many Dems were saying that the GOP is dead? Then what happens? They take the House, Senate, President, and Supreme Court. Life is very unpredictable.

Who knows. If Trump is firing on all cylinders and many of his promises are coming true than that will be good for Republicans. If many of his plans cause despair, frustration and we have massive riots than he will be quickly ushered out of office.

Again. Only time will tell.

The GoP, as it was, is dead. Trump did not just take on the establishment in the Democrat party, he took on the establishment in his own as well. Don't think for a moment he has only an axe to grind with the Democrats. The look is all over Paul Ryan and McCain's faces, they aren't relishing in this victory with popped corks and wine bottles. They're scared shitless of the fact that after feeding fear, paranoia and hate for decades to get out the vote against their enemies that they now have created a monster too big for them to control on their hands now poised to wreck havoc upon the very game they had sought to dominate.

Republicans have not sought to govern for a very long time now, preferring instead to obstruct those that do at every turn. Now they are thrust into a position of leadership with a standard bearer who is perhaps the loosest cannon ever to hold office. The best advice I can give is to relish in this moment of victory in the election now while one can. Come January shit is going to get very serious for the next four years and neither Obama nor the Democrats can take credit for the fallout to come. Already Trump is slapping the Republican old guard in the face with about faces on numerous issues and they are powerless to stop him. An angry, rabid block of voters whipped into a frenzy rally behind him in a foreboding message to the establishment old guard and if they dare cross Trump now then those are the voters they will need to explain their defiance to in mid terms.

The GoP sold their souls for years, first to the Tea Party and now to Trump for the sake of winning elections at all costs. The GoP that once stood for Capitalism, reduced government spending and less big government dictating terms to smaller governments is dead. We all now have a front row seat to the emergence of an all new Republican party. Stay tuned.

 

[soundforbjt]

LMAO!!!! The only one's that seem to be mad are those with egg in their face. Poor smug elites who were so very wrong about the outcome of the election.

I'm a moderate so I didn't vote for Trump, I wrote in John Kasich.

I thought Carson was your first pick, what changed your mind about him?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I thought Carson was your first pick, what changed your mind about him?

He dropped out long before the end. Kasich was in the last 3, I did not like Trump or Cruz.

 

[trenchfoot]

He dropped out long before the end. Kasich was in the last 3, I did not like Trump or Cruz.

Sounds like a reasonable approach and choice made. If I were voting Repub, logic would have determined the same guy that you picked. I'd say he was the least harmful from the litter.

That being said, with the world now knowing of the Autumn Surprise of All Time and the sentiments that arose from it, it looks like Trump was the only one of the three that could have, and did win.

 

[soundforbjt]

Good c

He dropped out long before the end. Kasich was in the last 3, I did not like Trump or Cruz.

Good choice, I disagree with him on a couple of things but I'd much rather see him in place of Trump.

 

[Muse]

The irony in calling Clinton "the most corrupt/amoral candidate" when Trump espoused racist, sexist and homophobic ideas, is taking on bank execs and anti-Semites for his cabinet, has cheated on two wives and likely committed sexual harassment against many other women, regularly stiffs contractors, made fun of a disabled person, lies far more often than Clinton, offered only lip service to discourage violence from his supporters, rejects the science of human-made climate change, faces trial over Trump U fraud... need I go on?

I don't pretend that Clinton is a saint, but Trump is about as corrupt and amoral as it gets. And it's hard to say he's a "limousine liberal pragmatist" given who he's surrounding himself with in office. Especially since Trump will try to avoid actual responsibilities during his term, it'll be those hardline conservatives and business tycoons running most of the show.

There's an unintended appropriateness to that picture: the person burning down the system is far worse than the system and must be stopped at all costs.

I like this post and will repost it below so you don't have to read it in italics:
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The irony in calling Clinton "the most corrupt/amoral candidate" when Trump espoused racist, sexist and homophobic ideas, is taking on bank execs and anti-Semites for his cabinet, has cheated on two wives and likely committed sexual harassment against many other women, regularly stiffs contractors, made fun of a disabled person, lies far more often than Clinton, offered only lip service to discourage violence from his supporters, rejects the science of human-made climate change, faces trial over Trump U fraud... need I go on?

I don't pretend that Clinton is a saint, but Trump is about as corrupt and amoral as it gets. And it's hard to say he's a "limousine liberal pragmatist" given who he's surrounding himself with in office. Especially since Trump will try to avoid actual responsibilities during his term, it'll be those hardline conservatives and business tycoons running most of the show.

There's an unintended appropriateness to that picture: the person burning down the system is far worse than the system and must be stopped at all costs.
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I will add that this guy gloated in not paying any taxes for very likely over a decade, says it makes him "smart," declared that if he had paid any taxes it would have been squandered by the US government (his rationalization for all to hear). Such a role model for our kids. Grope at women's pussies, become president. This election was one giant face plant.

 

[poofyhairguy]

The GoP that once stood for Capitalism, reduced government spending and less big government dictating terms to smaller governments is dead.

I am pretty sure that version of the Republican Party died when W got elected. It has been dead this entire century at least and maybe longer.

What died last week was a Republican Party that Bush or more exactly Karl Rove created- one obsessed with the homosexual "culture war," one obsessed with fighting a nebulous form of middle eastern terrorism abroad, and one that upgraded trickle down taxes cuts with outright corporate welfare.

Trump's GOP doesn't care about the culture war (that could already be lost one could argue), wants to be isolationist nationally except when dealing with Isis, is defined by an aversion to political correctness in all forms, and actually wants MORE taxes if they come in the form of protectionist tariffs. It is a completely new animal.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Seriously though, there are lots of checks and balances in place, and the guy's a limousine liberal pragmatist.

There are no checks and balances in place when one party controls all three braches of government. Once he gets his 1-2 Supreme Court picks he will have a SCOTUS that will back him and a congress that is afraid (with good reason) to obstruct him. It is the very definition of a rubber stamp government, all in the tiny hands of a man that doesn't understand why we can't nuke Mexico if they don't buy us a wall.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

I think the gloating is really coming from a place of wanting to strike back at liberals who have been some of the most intollerant people during this election cycle, notably worse than prior elections and more notably backed by social media and the main stream media.

So many liberals were unopen to discourse on the issues, many of them acted in a way to vilify conservatives as homophobic, biggoted, racist etc. The whole national and even global discussion of this election was decidedly left wing, which is why when the right won there was a push back.

When you call the opposition deplorables and repeatedly asset they're racist, sexist, homophobic etc, then you don't just have an opposition, you've created an enemy, who will be motivated to rub your face in it when you lose. There was a huge lack of empathy displayed during the run up to the election, and now that's being reciprocated.

I think it's well deserved to be quite frank, and well worth remembering that when it stops being a discussion between the citizens of a nation and becomes about socialist ideology that contains no compromise then the left are responsible for creating the kind of opponents they're now facing. If you don't want Trump and alt-right groups and hatred, then engage next election cycle and negotiate a moderate position. Because the shaming tactics don't work anymore, Trump has changed politics forever.

 

[Muse]

There are no checks and balances in place when one party controls all three braches of government. Once he gets his 1-2 Supreme Court picks he will have a SCOTUS that will back him and a congress that is afraid (with good reason) to obstruct him. It is the very definition of a rubber stamp government, all in the tiny hands of a man that doesn't understand why we can't nuke Mexico if they don't buy us a wall.

Indeed, I can't remember when things were shaping up this scarrily. There's a real justification in being apprehensive now.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I am pretty sure that version of the Republican Party died when W got elected. It has been dead this entire century at least and maybe longer.

I think we can make a pretty good argument that it has been dead since at least Reagan. They might have talked about small government and less taxes but no republican leader has actually done that since Reagan.

 

[Perknose]

I'm a moderate so I didn't vote for Trump, I wrote in John Kasich.

John Kasich is no moderate. I guess your idea of moderates is you and John Kasich. That's a truly immoderate view of the political landscape.

 

[Bitek]

This is an amazingly ironic thread considering the amount of gloating by the far left members here just prior to Hillary's loss. Bitek even sent me images of Kleenex and Vasoline, and I'm not even a Trump voter.

Ah, I'm so disappointed. I thought that montage was hilarious and appropo.

Vas and tissues (for, you know) for when Comey re-opened the email case and the polls shifted.

Tissues (for tears) when he had nothing and reclosed it.

Vas again for election day.
That was supposed to be for Comey, but sadly we'll need a bigger jar as the whole country is going to get greased.


You take the losses with the wins and get over it.

Take my broncos. Good god you can't be a fan and not learn to live with disappointment.

2014: Highest scoring offense in history, get torched by the Seahawks from the very first play.

2015: Don't make it back, but at least the Seahawks get fucked.

2016: Retool, historic defense trashes the high flying 17-1 team.

Grab your tissues, wipe away your man tears, and great ready to fight again another day.