On the connection between emotional awareness and political awareness

[Moonbeam]

I make the short hand claim that we are the world, a notion that maybe is to vague to comprehend as intended. I mean by this that how we perceive the world is based on emotional experiences we have had, often beyond conscious awareness, that color our world view interpretation and particularly here our view of politics. I have referred to the result as being essentially mechanical, that because of the unconscious nature of this phenomenon we are not able to change it. I have been attacked for this view because no solution to it is offered when the very statement of the nature of the problem is, when taken as factual, step one of the solution. And anybody who offers insights into cultural defects that mitigate against those defects must of necessity belong to a minority of people in that they espouse a viewpoint that goes against what society believes. And since in a society where status is based on superiority, and claim that falls outside the accepted norms will be labeled egotistical rather than outside those norms. I think the following expresses out side the norm with which I agree. I also agree with the very last point the article makes:

Contempt Fuels Culture War

How we got to 'shrill women' and 'mansplainers.'

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[nickqt]

The problem with most of the world is that Group Z of people are willing to sit down and have a conversation about issues, while Group A only knows how to demonize and depersonalize people they disagree with.

Spoiler: both Group Z and Group A believe they are being depersonalized, even though only one group is actually getting depersonalized while the other is just losing it's long-standing privilege. "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression" - this phrase can be thrown at almost every conservative victim card played, but it doesn't make conservatives feel any better and they just double down on their own victimhood because otherwise they have to come to terms with the fact that they've been the assholes.

Anyway...there's a point at which it is no longer viable for Group Z to sit down and have a conversation because as soon as they do, they will get murdered by Group A, while Group A claims self-defense.

We are at that stage now. The fascists are inches away from taking complete control of the Federal Government, and paired with the majority of state governments, will eventually get around to greenlighting the murder of their political opponents while they sleep, and they will claim self defense.

What makes all of this more precarious now than 80 years ago, is nuclear weapons, and the fact that a dozen or more societal-wide problems that are causing societal collapse are all coming to a climax at roughly the same time, RIGHT NOW.

When one side wants to murder you, you are no longer bound to respect the other side. Here in the US, conservatives believe they are under existential threat because their shit-tier dogshit worldview is no longer the "standard" view. Again, equality is oppression when you're used to privilege. Meanwhile, libtards are still just trying to get quality of living wages, health insurance, and general equality of people.

Why should they hold anything but contempt for the people who want to murder them? So some non-existing branch of the Republican Party will negotiate in good faith? That fucking ship sailed 30 years ago, it's fascist authoritarians all the way down my friend.

There will be no good-faith negotiations, and one of the reasons why I stick by some of the more "doom" or "get ready for civil war so buy firearms and learn how to operate them" comments, is because it's clear if your willing to look at the overall trajectory of things, rather than a snapshot of a few years ago and today, as your meta framing of where we're heading as a species.

In the next 10-20 years, ecofascism is going to make all of this logarithmically worse than most of us can even imagine. Imagine when climate change has advanced that hundreds of millions of people will have no choice but to migrate. Most societies start to crack at thousands of refugees/migrants. And it's the fascists who will provide the answers to the problems they denied over the past 50 years, and another spoiler, it involves murder.

So, sure, contempt and lack of respect is a problem. But, respecting fascists has never worked out, so count me out of that shitshow. Fascists are itching to kill you, and you want to sit down with them?

 

[feralkid]

Howard Johnson is Right.







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[Muse]

As the air to a bird of the sea to a fish, so is contempt to the contemptible. The crow wish'd every thing was black, the owl, that every thing was white. - William Blake, from the Proverbs of Hell in The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

 

[Moonbeam]

The problem with most of the world is that Group Z of people are willing to sit down and have a conversation about issues, while Group A only knows how to demonize and depersonalize people they disagree with.

Spoiler: both Group Z and Group A believe they are being depersonalized, even though only one group is actually getting depersonalized while the other is just losing it's long-standing privilege. "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression" - this phrase can be thrown at almost every conservative victim card played, but it doesn't make conservatives feel any better and they just double down on their own victimhood because otherwise they have to come to terms with the fact that they've been the assholes.

Anyway...there's a point at which it is no longer viable for Group Z to sit down and have a conversation because as soon as they do, they will get murdered by Group A, while Group A claims self-defense.

We are at that stage now. The fascists are inches away from taking complete control of the Federal Government, and paired with the majority of state governments, will eventually get around to greenlighting the murder of their political opponents while they sleep, and they will claim self defense.

What makes all of this more precarious now than 80 years ago, is nuclear weapons, and the fact that a dozen or more societal-wide problems that are causing societal collapse are all coming to a climax at roughly the same time, RIGHT NOW.

When one side wants to murder you, you are no longer bound to respect the other side. Here in the US, conservatives believe they are under existential threat because their shit-tier dogshit worldview is no longer the "standard" view. Again, equality is oppression when you're used to privilege. Meanwhile, libtards are still just trying to get quality of living wages, health insurance, and general equality of people.

Why should they hold anything but contempt for the people who want to murder them? So some non-existing branch of the Republican Party will negotiate in good faith? That fucking ship sailed 30 years ago, it's fascist authoritarians all the way down my friend.

There will be no good-faith negotiations, and one of the reasons why I stick by some of the more "doom" or "get ready for civil war so buy firearms and learn how to operate them" comments, is because it's clear if your willing to look at the overall trajectory of things, rather than a snapshot of a few years ago and today, as your meta framing of where we're heading as a species.

In the next 10-20 years, ecofascism is going to make all of this logarithmically worse than most of us can even imagine. Imagine when climate change has advanced that hundreds of millions of people will have no choice but to migrate. Most societies start to crack at thousands of refugees/migrants. And it's the fascists who will provide the answers to the problems they denied over the past 50 years, and another spoiler, it involves murder.

So, sure, contempt and lack of respect is a problem. But, respecting fascists has never worked out, so count me out of that shitshow. Fascists are itching to kill you, and you want to sit down with them?

I am not sure where you get the idea that anybody wants to sit down with them other than stuff we were taught in kindergarten like you are supposed to get along and you have some internal conflict with the position you take here and that old moral teaching. I personally have a great deal of sympathy for what you are saying but my view is that when you feel you can't meet people half way and they want it all it leads to contempt for them. The issue for me, step one as it were, is to see this for what it is. I am saying first step is to recognize the hopelessness of the situation, that there is no way we can rationally get on with an insane fascist right. But we have to see that and see it without reacting with contempt. They need to be consciously dealt with without the emotional reaction of contempt. This requires knowing the dangers of feeling contempt and where it leads.

I believe the democratic message to the people of the country should be that the Republican party has become dangerously mentally ill and the only way to save the country without destroying it is to vote them out of office. All efforts should go to to destroying once and for all that there is anything in their aim that is good, that following them will lead to our countries destruction. These facts should be presented without contempt, consistently and relentlessly. They must be removed from power for there to be real progress.

 

[Greenman]

This particular line " I am saying first step is to recognize the hopelessness of the situation, that there is no way we can rationally get on with an insane fascist right"
Is the fundamental problem. That line establishes that those you disagree with are in fact inferior humans that have to be controlled. It's the exact same extremists crap you profess to be above.
I'm disappointed Moonie, you're better than this. That statement leads to a conclusion that no sane person wants.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

inferior humans that have to be controlled

Your projection is showing.

 

[Greenman]

Your projection is showing.

You're reading comprehension skills need a bit of work. Allow me to explain the error to you. You took a sentence fragment and reacted to it as though it were a complete statement. That is at the very least disingenuous, though not unexpected.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You're reading comprehension skills need a bit of work. Allow me to explain the error to you. You took a sentence fragment and reacted to it as though it were a complete statement. That is at the very least disingenuous, though not unexpected.

What I'm saying is, the statement "I am saying first step is to recognize the hopelessness of the situation, that there is no way we can rationally get on with an insane fascist right" in no way insinuates that anyone is inferior or needs to be controlled. You read that because your mind thinks that way. If you can step past your ego a bit you might gain a greater understanding of things.

 

[Moonbeam]

This particular line " I am saying first step is to recognize the hopelessness of the situation, that there is no way we can rationally get on with an insane fascist right"
Is the fundamental problem. That line establishes that those you disagree with are in fact inferior humans that have to be controlled. It's the exact same extremists crap you profess to be above.
I'm disappointed Moonie, you're better than this. That statement leads to a conclusion that no sane person wants.

I am saying that the problem is between being unconscious and aware, between being asleep and aware, being the function of a program, being brainwashed, and being motivated by one’s true nature, lovingly. It is the nature of programming to fear being free because the programming was created by violence and hate, and to react against that programming with violence and hate is one way to respond to that programming, to be also conditioned by it. The program creates duality, hope and fear. That duality dies when hope turns to hopelessness and the fear is manifest, that what we fear can’t hurt us because it already happened, we are the program built on the terror of hopelessness.

What I am saying is that what you fear is the judgment of others, the contempt they have of the inferior because the good that is within you rejects the evil done by such labeling. I am saying the exit from that endless struggle is to accept that pain. We were already made to feel inferior, the program is in place. No need to resist because it is a lie. One can see it when we abandon all hope of escape. You are the only one you can set free. The enemy is your own programming and the job is to surrender to that fact. We are afraid to feel what we feel and all in the world that threatens to awaken to that fact.

Relax and be happy. Trust that no matter how inferior you may feel you feel that because of having been programmed that way.

We are insane, but why feed it. No sense fighting to disprove something we feel but isn’t true. That’s insane but part of the program. Try not to feed it. No hope there.