OMGWTFBBQ Rudy Giulliani: ‘I Never Said There Was No Collusion’

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woolfe9998

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This is a desperate shift given the mounting evidence of collusion. I knew this would always be the last line of defense - that others colluded but Trump knew nothing about it. I didn't expect to hear it before Mueller's report is issued, but Trump and Giulliani know more about what will be in that report than we do.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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We are already well past that, the official stance of the President's team is that the President can not break the law because while in office he is the top cop and that puts him above the law. Basically, there is no one with the authority to arrest the President so logically the laws do not apply to him.




Rudy is not acting as a lawyer he is acting as a propagandist.
Yes siree.
 

HomerJS

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This is a desperate shift given the mounting evidence of collusion. I knew this would always be the last line of defense - that others colluded but Trump knew nothing about it. I didn't expect to hear it before Mueller's report is issued, but Trump and Giulliani know more about what will be in that report than we do.
If Mueller can get the secret blocked number Trump used during the Trump tower meeting, that defense goes away.
 

BoomerD

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"My client was a babe in the woods, completely oblivious to the collusion in his campaign, even by his son & son in law, campaign manager, advisers & all the rest! He's still oblivious today in more ways than that, which makes him a great President!"
When is the goalpost going to be moved to...

committing a crime isn't illegal


We are already well past that, the official stance of the President's team is that the President can not break the law because while in office he is the top cop and that puts him above the law. Basically, there is no one with the authority to arrest the President so logically the laws do not apply to him.



I agree, Rudy sees the writing on the wall. They is going to be evidence of collusion between the Trump Campaign and Russia, so they are starting the propaganda that it is not enough that there was collusion you have to prove that Trump personally knew about and participated in that collusion. We are moving from 'No Collusion' to 'I didn't personally collude.' They are just creating enough smoke to give the GOP cover for not starting an impeachment.

Rudy is not acting as a lawyer he is acting as a propagandist.
Doesn't need to be legal or illegal, because crime isn't crime.


Rudy’s already on record as saying “collusion isn’t a crime,” so why are they denying it anyway?
 

sportage

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Oh WOW!
I mean... just look at the threads and their headlines posted around here.
Just take a glance of the headlines.
And ask yourself, WHEN is enough, enough?
Trump has done everything imaginable any criminal, simple minded, traitor could possible do and STILL he remains president?
Heck, forget about democrats, its the republicans that should be outraged.
Donald Trump has gone so far beyond the unimaginable that it boggles the mind WHY HE STILL EXISTS?
This guy should be serving a very long sentence in some high security prison.

And forget Giulliani. He's only a tiny little speck in this rats nest of corruption.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Oh WOW!
I mean... just look at the threads and their headlines posted around here.
Just take a glance of the headlines.
And ask yourself, WHEN is enough, enough?
Trump has done everything imaginable any criminal, simple minded, traitor could possible do and STILL he remains president?
Heck, forget about democrats, its the republicans that should be outraged.
Donald Trump has gone so far beyond the unimaginable that it boggles the mind WHY HE STILL EXISTS?
This guy should be serving a very long sentence in some high security prison.

And forget Giulliani. He's only a tiny little speck in this rats nest of corruption.

Why? Because he’s “on our team, and the team must win at ALL cost.”
 

kage69

Lifer
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Hahaha, oh my...

Making polls great again?

"The Drudge Report, one of the most important drivers of online reader traffic, featured the Journal story on Thursday morning with a banner headline: "Did Trump bribe Drudge poll?"

"Separately on Thursday, Trump's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, told the Journal that what the story revealed is that Cohen is a thief: Cohen promised to pay $50,000 to the man he asked to help Trump's results in the online polls, but actually only gave him between $12,000 and $13,000 — and, the newspaper reported, one boxing glove. "
 

hal2kilo

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If Mueller can get the secret blocked number Trump used during the Trump tower meeting, that defense goes away.
This will get interesting. There are rumors Trump's new legal team is going to fight all requests for information, claiming executive privilege. I figure this is going to be the first test of that rumor. We will see soon.
 

interchange

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This only validates the primary mandate of the special council and erases the administration's entire, singular defense that the investigation is a hoax and illegitimate. The president's closest lawyer has validated that the Mueller Investigation has so far succeeded in its primary mandate, and that the worst is yet to come.

I wonder what Trump fluffers think about this? I'm sure the usual suspects will be around to try and convince us that words are not words.

Obviously. An interesting angle is to remove Trump from consideration here. If nailing him is the focus, then the fight isn't lost until he is nailed regardless of all the evidence given to his supporters. But, having this knowledge admitted from the top, what does that say about Nunes, McConnell, etc.? Or Comey or Steele? Trump fluffers have a lot to answer to at the moment.
 
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kage69

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Trump fluffers have a lot to answer to eat the moment.(sic)

And for once most of it isn't mushroom flavored. I'm enjoying the looks of despondency I'm seeing from some of them, they're starting to realize they've been had by a traitor.
 
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zinfamous

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If Mueller can get the secret blocked number Trump used during the Trump tower meeting, that defense goes away.

I'm starting to wonder if Trump was at least wise enough at the time to accept the polling and rational analysis that he really had no chance of winning. It kind of explains why they were so obvious about making these deals with Russian agents. The FBI knew about this stuff before the meetings even happened. I wouldn't be surprised if they already have Trump's voice calling into this meeting. Anyway, I'm wondering that, with no real expectation of winning, the bargain was to influence the RNC platform and move the party to act as a serious barrier to the Clinton administration wrg to Russia sanctions. Obviously, a GOP-controlled Congress would generally block anything a Dem administration would try to do, anyway--simply proven again and again and again that it's the only thing they know how to do--but I think blocking Russia sanctions and giving Putin what he wants would have been a tough sell to the GOP and their base.

I wonder if the goal was really to get Trump and Manafort in there to solidify the GOP as an unquestioning pro-Russia party in the USA, which is exactly what they did at the RNC when they allowed Manafort so simply re-write their platform. As if it isn't eye-opening enough that the Trump campaign's only contribution to the platform related to Russia and sanctions. I am thinking that they--Putin and Trump--didn't really care about keeping all of this secret, because they just needed to trap the GOP into promoting Russian hegemony in the occupied east and as a constant threat to Europe. Trump wouldn't need to be president in order to compel the GOP to sick to the policy that they had officially established. And hell--once the Russian influence and control of the RNC would be inevitably discovered, all the better for Russia, anyway. Because it's still chaos.

You would assume the Russians would be better at keeping this stuff secret; unless they didn't really want to. That includes knowing Trump well enough to know that he can't be trusted to do a single fucking thing that he promises to do. Vlady was never going to give him his tower, anyway.
 

Indus

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Oh WOW!
I mean... just look at the threads and their headlines posted around here.
Just take a glance of the headlines.
And ask yourself, WHEN is enough, enough?
Trump has done everything imaginable any criminal, simple minded, traitor could possible do and STILL he remains president?
Heck, forget about democrats, its the republicans that should be outraged.
Donald Trump has gone so far beyond the unimaginable that it boggles the mind WHY HE STILL EXISTS?
This guy should be serving a very long sentence in some high security prison.

And forget Giulliani. He's only a tiny little speck in this rats nest of corruption.


I think its time for:

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To apply here..
 

Indus

Lifer
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You would assume the Russians would be better at keeping this stuff secret; unless they didn't really want to. That includes knowing Trump well enough to know that he can't be trusted to do a single fucking thing that he promises to do. Vlady was never going to give him his tower, anyway.

Divide and Rule.

Divide: Get people to hate each other.
Rule: Do nothing, have nothing done, and let no one do anything.

It's no wonder the GOP conservaterrorists and Russia are natural allies. There's just a little matter of treason but we can just sweep that under the Fake News carpet.
 
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interchange

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And for once most of it isn't mushroom flavored. I'm enjoying the looks of despondency I'm seeing from some of them, they're starting to realize they've been had by a traitor.

Haha. I believe it was a Swype fail, but it could have been a slip.
 

Jhhnn

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I have this fantasy scenario of how it all ends- Trump goes to Moscow. While he's there, Mueller issues a report so damning that he he seeks asylum rather than coming home. Trumpsters finally (finally!) get to see how badly they've been deceived.

It would be glorious, but I'm not counting on it happening.
 

alien42

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I have this fantasy scenario of how it all ends- Trump goes to Moscow. While he's there, Mueller issues a report so damning that he he seeks asylum rather than coming home. Trumpsters finally (finally!) get to see how badly they've been deceived.

It would be glorious, but I'm not counting on it happening.

so you support the Derp State instead of America.

/s
 

interchange

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Trump being aware of meetings he said he wasn't.

The calls are a big deal, but it's not concrete proof. I mean, for anyone with half a brain, Junior making a call to Daddy immediately before and after a meeting with the Russians and blocking the number to conceal the calls is proof beyond reasonable doubt that Trump knew of the meeting. But that requires half a brain. Not that I think those who need convincing by and large don't have at least half a brain. I do doubt their willingness to use it.
 
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hal2kilo

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Obviously. An interesting angle is to remove Trump from consideration here. If nailing him is the focus, then the fight isn't lost until he is nailed regardless of all the evidence given to his supporters. But, having this knowledge admitted from the top, what does that say about Nunes, McConnell, etc.? Or Comey or Steele? Trump fluffers have a lot to answer to at the moment.
Ex GOP Chairman says they are colluding.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-steele-collusion_us_5c4003f1e4b0a8dbe16d9402
 
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esquared

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We are already well past that, the official stance of the President's team is that the President can not break the law because while in office he is the top cop and that puts him above the law. Basically, there is no one with the authority to arrest the President so logically the laws do not apply to him.

I agree, Rudy sees the writing on the wall. They is going to be evidence of collusion between the Trump Campaign and Russia, so they are starting the propaganda that it is not enough that there was collusion you have to prove that Trump personally knew about and participated in that collusion. We are moving from 'No Collusion' to 'I didn't personally collude.' They are just creating enough smoke to give the GOP cover for not starting an impeachment.

Rudy is not acting as a lawyer he is acting as a propagandist.
So, he's now Rudy Goebbels?
 

Sonikku

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Frankly at this point it doesn't matter. Conservatives have no breaking point for disavowing Trump no matter whether he broke the law or not. At this point Rudy could say "Yeah, Trump knowingly colluded with Russia. So what?" and it wouldn't make a difference to Conservative voters or Republicans in the Senate, the latter of whom would need to contribute votes for an impeachment to succeed.
 
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thilanliyan

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Frankly at this point it doesn't matter. Conservatives have no breaking point for disavvowing Trump no matter whether he broke the law or not. At this point Rudy say "Yeah, Trump knowlingly colluded with Russia. So what?" and it wouldn't make a difference to Conservative voters or Republicans in the Senate, the latter of whom would need to contribute votes for an impeachment to succeed.
Exactly... I really don't think there is a breaking point for his support, which is still around 40% isn't it?
 
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Exactly... I really don't think there is a breaking point for his support, which is still around 40% isn't it?
Recent polls have pushed his support down quite a bit including among his core supporters.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/17/tru...re-voters-as-the-shutdown-drags-on-polls.html

White evangelicals’ support for Trump, for instance, plunged a net 13 percentage points in the NPR poll, sinking to 66-23 percent approval from 73-17 percent in the December poll. Trump also lost support from noncollege-educated white men, with his approval falling to 50 percent from 56 percent and his disapproval ticking up 1 point to 35 percent.

Cracks even appeared in Trump’s seemingly impenetrable facade of overall Republican support: 83 percent of Republican respondents said they support the president in the most recent poll — down 7 points from the early December poll — while his disapproval in the party rose 3 points.