OMG: We wonder why kids are so stupid just look at what schools do to them

[Brutuskend]

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[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: conjur
Kyle was back in school Tuesday.

Be damned if my kid would have gone back there!

Damn straight - at least not without a gun or two!

- M4H

 

[clicknext]

That's pretty stupid... I stomped in puddles and sprayed people all the time in elementary school...

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

That kid could be a real hell-raiser, and his parents might be complete a-holes for all we know. Indeed, if the boy has has a disorder, maybe the parents should take that into account before they start blaming the cops/school for mishandling the situation.

Jail sounds stupid, but then again, we don't know if the decision was the deputy's idea (think barney fife) or done at the school's urging. The article suggests that the decision followed POLICE policy, which might or might not coincide with the school's policy.

I am not going to judge anyone in this case... i don't trust the media enough to present a whole and accurate story when there is just one little article.

 

[isaacmacdonald]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: rgwalt
Zero tolerance policies don't work. There was a really great kid that had a knife in the bed of his pickup that he had used for hunting over the weekend. It was reported, and he was expelled for 1 year due to the zero tolerance weapons policy at my high school. I'm sure things have only become worse since I left.

I'm not going to rule out public schools for my kids, but I won't rule out private school either. However, if I'm going to send my child to private school, shouldn't I get at least some credit for the taxes I've paid in?

Ryan

All public schools should be privatized, but regulated. What makes our country great is competition (capitalism). When the government communizes programs like Public education, Healthcare, Social Security, etc. You end up with a bloated, wasted, worthless social program. Instead of teacher's unions, if you had private schools all competing for students, and school taxes were eliminated, then the total cost of education would dramatically go down and teacher's would wave their power by simply working for a different school rather than striking the school they're in.

That's a bit of a falacy. Australia, Canada, and most of europe have very successfully implemented socialized medicine and the like. The problem with "competition" is that there are a number of undesirables that companies simply don't want to compete for. In Australia, the gov't subsidizes water costs for certain areas to promote habitation in otherwise undersirable areas. If the water industry was entirely capitalistic, the inhabitants would move because the water costs would prove prohibative.

The same goes for education. In certain areas, privatized education industry would be profitable and might even work better than publicly run systems. In others (eg: inner city ghettos) profit margins would be unattractive, and privitazation would result in even crappier education.

The point is that capitalism is just a tool for handling certain systems. It works well in some situations, and badly in others. Moral capitalism (eg: ayn rand) lacks the kind of pragmatic perspective required to understand hugely complex systems (national healthcare, education, etc.)

 

[LeeTJ]

We wonder why kids are so stupid just look at what schools do to them

If your kids are stupid, it's NOT because of the schools but because of the PARENTS.

ADD, School systems, other kids . . . yada yada yada it never ends.

people in the US criticize the school systems all the time as if they are soo much better elsewhere. they AREN'T. that's the biggest lie told in the US today that our school systems are soo bad.

do they need work, YES. Could they be better, YES. are they the worst in the WORLD, not even close.

In my opinion, they are still ranked close to the top.

the bigger problem in the US is the prevalence of single parent families. Children of single parent families CONSISTENTLY don't do as well in school as children from 2 parent families.

It's whats happening in the HOMES that determines success or failure of this children NOT what happens in the schools.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: notfred
Public schools in the US are so fvcked now. I will NOT be sending my kids to them, when I have kids.

Me neither. Either home schooling or private schooling, the latter if we can afford it.

Public schools aren't safe for anyone - if you're religious, you get persecuted and repressed, if you're just an ordinary active kid you get punished, if you're a scumbag misfit you get a free pass, if your parents teach you to stay abstinent until marriage you get free condoms, if you get pregnant you get taken to an abortion clinic or shipped to another school, if you're college prep you get picked on, if you're vocational you get picked on, blah blah blah etc. etc.

I hated high school. :|

I'm sorry that you were religious, abstinent, and pregnant.


What the hell areyou talking about religious kids being persecuted? It was the other way around at my high school, just like in the real world. Religious folks were the ones doing the persecuting. And why the hell didn't I get free condoms?

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

We wonder why kids are so stupid just look at what schools do to them

If your kids are stupid, it's NOT because of the schools but because of the PARENTS.

ADD, School systems, other kids . . . yada yada yada it never ends.

people in the US criticize the school systems all the time as if they are soo much better elsewhere. they AREN'T. that's the biggest lie told in the US today that our school systems are soo bad.

do they need work, YES. Could they be better, YES. are they the worst in the WORLD, not even close.

In my opinion, they are still ranked close to the top.

the bigger problem in the US is the prevalence of single parent families. Children of single parent families CONSISTENTLY don't do as well in school as children from 2 parent families.

It's whats happening in the HOMES that determines success or failure of this children NOT what happens in the schools.

You're confusing correlation with causation.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

We wonder why kids are so stupid just look at what schools do to them

If your kids are stupid, it's NOT because of the schools but because of the PARENTS.

ADD, School systems, other kids . . . yada yada yada it never ends.

people in the US criticize the school systems all the time as if they are soo much better elsewhere. they AREN'T. that's the biggest lie told in the US today that our school systems are soo bad.

do they need work, YES. Could they be better, YES. are they the worst in the WORLD, not even close.

In my opinion, they are still ranked close to the top.

the bigger problem in the US is the prevalence of single parent families. Children of single parent families CONSISTENTLY don't do as well in school as children from 2 parent families.

It's whats happening in the HOMES that determines success or failure of this children NOT what happens in the schools.

You're confusing correlation with causation.

So are you saying there is a correlation but it is no causation??

i disagree. i'm sure there is a correlation but i'm sure that it is also the cause. a single parent cannot offer the child the same type of family atmosphere that a 2 parents can.

 

[toant103]

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
the officer is retarded

 

[isaacmacdonald]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
You're confusing correlation with causation.

So are you saying there is a correlation but it is no causation??

i disagree. i'm sure there is a correlation but i'm sure that it is also the cause. a single parent cannot offer the child the same type of family atmosphere that a 2 parents can.[/quote]


Well, the way to figure it out is to understand which part of being a single parent you're proposing has the negative impact on education. Is it lack of attention? Is it an insufficiently hetrogenous enviornment (not enough debate)? Once you can pinpoint what trend you're looking for, you should be able to isolate the exceptions where these trends occur in traditional nuclear families... then you can establish causation.

 

[imported_Mike]

ADD doesnt exist

ADD or no ADD, he is a frickin' kid, thats what kids do, that cop is a retard.

 

[isaacmacdonald]

That I agree with. If arresting small children is the best thing that guy can do with his time, that place has one to many cops.