OMG LOTR: The Return of the King is a ridiculous movie!

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I just watched it, how did it even win the Oscar for best movie? I mean there is no logic behind the movie at all. Are humans retarded or something? If the ghost army is so powerful like it was shown in the movie that it wiped out the Orcs in seconds, why won't the humans let the ghost army fight the whole war and avoid losing any life?
 
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I'm no LOTR nerd, but it appears they were under attack and had no choice but to engage to defend themselves. They didn't even know the ghost army was going to come.

Second of all I believe the ghost army deal was to fight in one battle, not an entire war.

In b4 why didn't they just fly on the eagles to mordor.
 
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Enjoyed it but what kinda got me was a multiple endings in succession. For a long ass movie it shouldn't be toying with people feelings like that.
 
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ManSnake said:
I just watched it, how did it even win the Oscar for best movie? I mean there is no logic behind the movie at all. Are humans retarded or something? If the ghost army is so powerful like it was shown in the movie that it wiped out the Orcs in seconds, why won't the humans let the ghost army fight the whole war and avoid losing any life?
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which was the problem with all the lotr films, its just randomish fantasy stuff. the fanboys forgive, but truthfully its bad story telling.
 
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I have seen the first two but not this one. Maybe it's Oscar-material or maybe it's not. But from what I remember, Peter Jackson was denied the Oscar for the first two films of the trilogy when everyone thought he deserved at least one. The Academy finally gave him the Oscar not only for the last one but also as an acknowledgment of the monumental achievement that this trilogy was. This is what I picked up from the chatter around that time.
 
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gimmewhitecastles said:
Enjoyed it but what kinda got me was a multiple endings in succession. For a long ass movie it shouldn't be toying with people feelings like that.
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The biggest problem was that it did not include the scouring of the Shire, which was a key character development device in the book. Without it, the ending fall rather short. There weren't multiple endings really, just the finishing of certain things in certain parts. You had Aragorn the new king and all and that kinda finished his part up, but the hobbits didn't end their adventure there, they had to go back to the Shire. So it was sort of the end of one characters part of the story but not all.
 
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nublikescake said:
I have seen the first two but not this one. Maybe it's Oscar-material or maybe it's not. But from what I remember, Peter Jackson was denied the Oscar for the first two films of the trilogy when everyone thought he deserved at least one. The Academy finally gave him the Oscar not only for the last one but also as an acknowledgment of the monumental achievement that this trilogy was. This is what I picked up from the chatter around that time.
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Yeah they didn't give it to him for the first two though with the other movies at that time I think he should have gotten at least 2 out of the 3 years.
 
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which was the problem with all the lotr films, its just randomish fantasy stuff. the fanboys forgive, but truthfully its bad story telling.
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How so?

The Ghost Army are humans that had one pledged their support to Isildur, but when he came under attack they fled and hid. With his dying breath, he cursed them to a life of undeath until the had fulfilled their promise to the King of Gondor.

Several millenia later, along comes wannabe king Aragorn. He is the heir to the throne of Gondor and therefore the only one who can release these undead from their curse. He makes a deal with them to fight with them against the Mordor army marching on Gondor and in exchange he will release them. And to answer the "why not just keep them around to fight the whole fight" - it would be a HUGE flaw in Aragorn's virtuous and honor-bound character if he reneged on his word.
 
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Yeah they didn't give it to him for the first two though with the other movies at that time I think he should have gotten at least 2 out of the 3 years.
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yea i went and looked up what also was nominated those years and LOTR should have prob won another best pic award
 
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crownjules said:
How so?

The Ghost Army are humans that had one pledged their support to Isildur, but when he came under attack they fled and hid. With his dying breath, he cursed them to a life of undeath until the had fulfilled their promise to the King of Gondor.

Several millenia later, along comes wannabe king Aragorn. He is the heir to the throne of Gondor and therefore the only one who can release these undead from their curse. He makes a deal with them to fight with them against the Mordor army marching on Gondor and in exchange he will release them. And to answer the "why not just keep them around to fight the whole fight" - it would be a HUGE flaw in Aragorn's virtuous and honor-bound character if he reneged on his word.
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Well supposedly what I got from the OP is instead of making a deal for one battle, why not make a deal for the war?
 
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crownjules said:
How so?

The Ghost Army are humans that had one pledged their support to Isildur, but when he came under attack they fled and hid. With his dying breath, he cursed them to a life of undeath until the had fulfilled their promise to the King of Gondor.

Several millenia later, along comes wannabe king Aragorn. He is the heir to the throne of Gondor and therefore the only one who can release these undead from their curse. He makes a deal with them to fight with them against the Mordor army marching on Gondor and in exchange he will release them. And to answer the "why not just keep them around to fight the whole fight" - it would be a HUGE flaw in Aragorn's virtuous and honor-bound character if he reneged on his word.
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Its a cop out
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeusExMachina
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina
 
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darkxshade said:
Well supposedly what I got from the OP is instead of making a deal for one battle, why not make a deal for the war?
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The war didn't matter. The battle did. If they could hold out long enough and save Gondor, and the ring was destroyed, then everything would work out, which it did.

If they saved Gondor, and the ring was not destroyed, then it wouldn't have mattered anyway as Sauron would have become too powerful and Gondor would have been destroyed eventually anyway.
 
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The war didn't matter. The battle did. If they could hold out long enough and save Gondor, and the ring was destroyed, then everything would work out, which it did.

If they saved Gondor, and the ring was not destroyed, then it wouldn't have mattered anyway as Sauron would have become too powerful and Gondor would have been destroyed eventually anyway.
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Well it still wouldn't have hurt to keep them around anyway until the ring was destroyed. You never know when Sauron might call upon a cursed army out of nowhere to fight for him in exchange for freedom. ;)
 
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darkxshade said:
Well it still wouldn't have hurt to keep them around anyway until the ring was destroyed. You never know when Sauron might call upon a cursed army out of nowhere to fight for him in exchange for freedom. ;)
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It just wouldn't be the same level of the original agreement though. The original time when they fled, it was to fight a battle for Isildur, not a war. His curse was upon them until they fulfilled their original agreement to come to the aid of Gondor, but in a battle, not a war.

Basically it makes sense, especially if you read the books. You can't just keep an undead army around however long you like. Besides, if they tried to get them to do even more, they might turn against you and then you'd be in trouble.
 
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Numenorean said:
No it isn't. It was there all along, just not really mentioned in the movie until then. The books (and not just LOTR) have more info on it.
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i dont' remember much from the books, but i don't remember much about that army. its mostly as i said, a cop out, esp in the film.
 
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Numenorean said:
It may seem that way in the film, but it isn't in the actual story.
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Exactly.

Like all movies based on books, LOTR had to gloss over some of the details to fit into the run time it had. This was one of those details...
 
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All I remember was the ending was very wierd. It was an old Pedo Wizard/Old Man chuckling over and over again at the gay little hobbits.
 
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