OMG Look how hard it was for Microsoft

Ioman

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This article I read showed just how hard it was for Microsoft to get Japanese developers onboard. Can you guys believe this crap?


"to land Tecmo's Dead or Alive 3, Ohura had to face this scary question from Tecmo's president: "Are you willing to sacrifice your life for our game?" (His answer was yes). Snagging Genma Onimusha required countless hours spent schmoozing Capcom's Okamoto with wine, women and even a bizarre ritual involving chocolate cake. "


What a load of crap!
 

joohang

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<< Don't help the geijin! >>



HUH? I don't get it?
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I believe that "geijin" means "foreigners" in Japanese.

Edit: restructured the sentence to make it clearer
 

gopunk

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bizarre ritual? ugh, i don't think i want to know :p

sacrifice life for game? wtf is wrong with those people...
 

Ioman

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I find it humiliating how the US supports these Japanese gaming companies over here, but when our US company tried to do business in their country, we have to do these bizzare (SP?) rituals. Don't get me wrong Japanese game developers are some of the best, but...chocolate cake! YUCK!
 

Pocatello

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Asians are that way. Americans and Europeans are more open to foreign people and products, from my experience.
 

gopunk

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<< Asians are that way. Americans and Europeans are more open to foreign people and products, from my experience. >>



asians, bah! chinese would never make you go through some bizarre chocolate cake ritual :p
 

Pocatello

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Somethink worse :) ?
Since I'm of Vietnamese-Chinese heritage, my experience is that Asians that have Chinese some influence (Vietnam, Korea, Japan), they usually don't trust foreigners, even if they're other Asians. But things have improved vastly compare to the past because of increasing contacts with people of different culture.
 

Dat

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if you look at history you will understand why asian nations dont trust foreign ones easily. I'm talking the past several thousand years, especially chinese civ. history.

 

Ioman

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Well I don't care what the reasons are, this type of behavior is BS. If they are going to act this way, then I say the US needs to stop importing their game consoles (like that would ever happen), I think every company deserves a fair chance.
 

Ameesh

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the japanese have a very different culture, i think a lot of this is going to be misconstrued in the translation.
 

Ioman

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<< this IS one big joke.. right? ..right?! >>




No, this is no joke, this really did happen. Isn't this just sickening? So not only are Nintendo and SOny competing and fighting each other, but the software developers in Japan won't write for Microsoft, without some ebarrassment against the US/Microsoft.
 

erub

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I'm sure this is the usual when trying to score big contracts - bribery, whining and dining the head honchos, etc..I don't understand the part about sacrificing his life (translation problem probably)
 

Ioman

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<< I'm sure this is the usual when trying to score big contracts - bribery, whining and dining the head honchos, etc..I don't understand the part about sacrificing his life (translation problem probably) >>




Sadly this is normal. Welcome to the business world! But it still sucks....now lets get Square to make Microsoft games!
 

element

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Konami's Kazumi Kitaue confronted Ohura at last year's E3 expo to complain about difficult development tools and an overall high risk factor impeding work on an Xbox MGS.

Later, when Microsoft announced that the Japanese Xbox launch would miss the all-important holiday shopping season in Japan due to hardware production problems, Kitaue recalls screaming "You stupid idiot!" to Ohura on the phone.


LOL
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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<< "to land Tecmo's Dead or Alive 3, Ohura had to face this scary question from Tecmo's president: "Are you willing to sacrifice your life for our game?" (His answer was yes). >>



I do hope they tried that one out.
The only good Microsoft employee is a dead one.
 

Ioman

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<<

<< "to land Tecmo's Dead or Alive 3, Ohura had to face this scary question from Tecmo's president: "Are you willing to sacrifice your life for our game?" (His answer was yes). >>



I do hope they tried that one out.
The only good Microsoft employee is a dead one.
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That was a very stupid comment. I am not a huge Microsoft fan, but I AM going to support American business over seas and you should too. Unless you arent American....
 

b0mbrman

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There was no law saying he had to do it...it was just more valuable for Microsoft to do so than not to do so...
 

CQuinn

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Ioman, it sounds like you aren't even trying to understand a culture and business style that might
be different from your own experience.

Personal Loyalty and Responsibilty are very important in Japanese culture, and people's careers
can be made or broken solely on the basis of what companies you work for and with.
For many business relationships there is no such thing as working "with" someone; when you
agree to a deal, then that companies success is supposed to be just as important to you as your
own. You don't commit to go "the extra mile" like we would do in the US, you commit to going
all the way.

Nobody in modern Japan really expects someone to sacrifice themselves for a business deal, but
almost everyone expects someone to stick with the deal no matter how bad or expensive things
might get, because thats how much giving your word means in that culture.

In the US, when a company screws up the CEO gets out by retiring with a "Golden Parachute"
of several million in cash and company stock. When the CEO of a failing company in Japan steps down
(by choice) it is not unusual to see them give back money and stock to try and repair the damage
left behind under his management... the Japanese take failure personally.

Because of that, even though it sounds like they might be playing games to us, Businessmen over there
are very serious about making sure the people they do deals with are just as serious about being
successful as they are. Microsoft has built their reputation on often changing strategies and
business deals in mid-stream - a reputation that looks very untrustworthy from their point of view.
Are you really that surprised that they would want to make sure that Micro-"Oh, we'll fix that in
a service pack later"-Soft is just as dead serious about making sure the launch of the XBox was
done on time and without any major issues? Every black mark against MS for the XBox is also
a black mark against the companies that supported the XBox at launch.

No wonder Kitaue was so mad at Ohura over the launch delay... the announcement probably
set his position in the company back several years, if not risking getting him reassigned (or fired)
outright. For a typical Japanese to yell "You Stupid idiot" even over the phone to someone else
(who is not a member of the immediate family) is pretty fscking serious.

You think its crap that MS gets to answer scary questions in order to make a deal, but Tecmo probably
thinks its crap to get backstabbed by unfulfilled promises when they have a multimillion dollar product
release on the line.

EDIT: Looking at your later messages I think I understand more what you were thinking, but this has
nothing to do with Microsoft being a US company. It might have a little to do with MS being a foreign
company to the Japanese (in the console market)... The Japanese are quite familiar with MS as a computer
company, and even to this day have to deal with two different versions of Windows for everything becuase
of some bad deals (misunderstandings) made in the early days of the PC market over there.
But ultimately this has much more to do with how they value strategic business deals, regardless of
who makes them.

 

MacBaine

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Eh... DOA 3 is the crappiest piece of crap game that ever crapped. It should be called "Clipfest - 2002"
 

gopunk

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<<

<< "to land Tecmo's Dead or Alive 3, Ohura had to face this scary question from Tecmo's president: "Are you willing to sacrifice your life for our game?" (His answer was yes). >>



I do hope they tried that one out.
The only good Microsoft employee is a dead one.
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i know several microsoft employees personally, and would like to hear your rationale.