OMG!! Brainwashed female Trump supporters interview post 60 minutes

[outriding]

You loony left didn't care about Clinton cigar fucking and splashing his spunk all over the interns dress in the Oval office.

Is this your bengazi?

You know what..

lets get an investigation on what happened.. get stormy on the in there ask her what happened..

 

[zinfamous]

You loony left didn't care about Clinton cigar fucking and splashing his spunk all over the interns dress in the Oval office.

Is this your bengazi?

Right, because that isn't terribly shocking with the democratic party, is it. Trump is supported by Evangelicals, who pilloried Clinton for that.

why do we have to keep pointing out to you morons how the two aren't remotely comparable? Did you even pay attention to Trump hoarding this shit over Hillary, over and over again? LoL, idiot that you are were probably cheering him on and smashing Buds with your bros over it. Now you can't handle it when what everyone already knew, forever, is finally starting to sink in.

Did Clinton use campaign cash to cover up the affair, too? How many more false comparisons do you want to shit out before you start feeling better about yourself for supporting this abject scum?

Also, Bengazi? You realize this is something that actually happened, right?

How many times did investigators manage to find any malfeasance regarding Hillary and Bengazi? How many times to find how many instances? How many? Why are you comparing something that we absolutely know to be trumped up bullshit (publicly admitted by your republican congress critters, and proudly so), to something that we absolutely know to be true?

Do you ever get tired of playing this bullshit like team sports, especially when time and time again, your team absolutely proves that they think you and your friends are abject fools, easy to manipulate? Does that not ever make you angry?

 

[bshole]

Right, because that isn't terribly shocking with the democratic party, is it. Trump is supported by Evangelicals, who pilloried Clinton for that.

why do we have to keep pointing out to you morons how the two aren't remotely comparable? Did you even pay attention to Trump hoarding this shit over Hillary, over and over again? LoL, idiot that you are were probably cheering him on and smashing Buds with your bros over it. Now you can't handle it when what everyone already knew, forever, is finally starting to sink in.

Out of curiosity, do you think it is a bad thing for a person to drink domestic beer? If so, what do you drink? I don't drink anymore because of my liver but I have lately learned that certain parts of American society look upon others pejoratively based on what they drink. I guess what I am getting at is, are you domestic beer bigot?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Out of curiosity, do you think it is a bad thing for a person to drink domestic beer? If so, what do you drink? I don't drink anymore because of my liver but I have lately learned that certain parts of American society look upon others pejoratively based on what they drink. I guess what I am getting at is, are you domestic beer bigot?

In many cases, it very much sets the context of the situation. Cheap, shitty beer is definently reflective of that person's taste, and subsequently will be used to render judgement on a myriad of topics immediately, such as taste in cars, clothing, women, politics, dental hygiene, physical health, IQ, high school diploma status, education status in general, just to name a few.

Hope that helps.

 

[bshole]

In many cases, it very much sets the context of the situation. Cheap, shitty beer is definently reflective of that person's taste, and subsequently will be used to render judgement on a myriad of topics immediately, such as taste in cars, clothing, women, politics, dental hygiene, physical health, IQ, high school diploma status, education status in general, just to name a few.

Hope that helps.

So this is a whole thing that I never knew about until today. I was doing the youtube thing and ran across a guy who was talking about "elite Democratic intellectuals" who turned their back on the white working class in the 70s. He specifically mentioned that this demographic has nothing but utter contempt for all things white working class including the beer they drink. It was just weird for me to see the guy mention beer in his video and turn around and see you and zin both confirm that was a thing.

I have read a lot of posts from both of you and it is obvious that both of you have IQs that are 120 or better (about the same as me or perhaps slightly higher). This guys contention is that white society has fractured badly between upper middle class high IQ whites and working class whites of average intelligence. There is no longer any kind of shared experience between the two groups. They live in completely different communities. He contended that the working class white community is completely and hopelessly broken, their industriousness has been destroyed, they have no future, no ambition and an incredible sense of entitlement. He has a point in a way. I have absolutely no idea what the communities of these poor whites are like. I have never actually been to one. Since I started working I have always lived in an middle to upper middle class community. I have no context in which to evaluate poor white communities. It simply does not compute for me.

His diagnosis is that the end game is pretty catastrophic. He contends that the economy will always need high IQ workers but increasingly low IQ workers are becoming simple excess baggage. He did mention that the coming destruction of all trucking jobs is going to have a horrible impact. His bottom line (Jask has made this point) was that a universal basic income is mandatory if America is to have a chance of surviving.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So this is a whole thing that I never knew about until today. I was doing the youtube thing and ran across a guy who was talking about "elite Democratic intellectuals" who turned their back on the white working class in the 70s. He specifically mentioned that this demographic has nothing but utter contempt for all things white working class including the beer they drank. It was just weird for me to see the guy mention beer in his video and turn around and see you and zin both confirm that was a thing.

I have read a lot of posts from both of you and it is obvious that both of you have IQs that are 120 or better (about the same as me or perhaps slightly higher). This guys contention is that white society has fractured badly between upper middle class high IQ whites and working class whites of average intelligence. There is no longer any kind of shared experience between the two groups. They live in completely different communities. He contended that the working class white community is completely and hopelessly broken, their industriousness has been destroyed, they have no future, no ambition and an incredible sense of entitlement. He has a point in a way. I have absolutely no idea what the communities of these poor whites are like. I have never actually been to one. Since I started working I have always lived in an middle to upper middle class community. I have no context in which to evaluate poor white communities. It simply does not compute for me.

His diagnosis that the end game is pretty catastrophic. He contends that the economy will always need high IQ workers but increasingly low IQ workers are becoming simple excess baggage. He did mention that the coming destruction of all trucking jobs is going to have a horrible impact. His bottom line (Jask has made this point) was that a universal basic income is mandatory if America is to have a chance of surviving.

I'd be lying if I said I knew exactly when the break between white collar and blue collar began.

He's right with regards to the end result. But it's not isolated by skin color, IMO. It's just that whites had it pretty good compared to other races, so the fall is hard.

He's also correct in terms of job demands, where physical jobs are easier to automate compared to jobs requiring increased mental capacity. The automation of trucking is a prime example. Warn as many people as possible, but what about those who simply can't perform in a job market that doesn't rely solely of physical abilities? Idle hands are the devil's playground so to speak, crime will increase as people are put into desperate situations. Will we continue to feed the industrial prison system with condescension and disdain, or will empathy and knowledge overrule ignorance?

I've already expressed this to my own kids. I point out that in my current job role, I'm not paid for lifting, moving,(sometimes I use a lift tool) etc.... just need to drive and walk. I'm paid for my knowledge, critical thinking, following directions, attention to detail, etc...and it will be even more so for them. I'm encouraging my older son, who's a tech nut, to pursue computer science and robotics, so his future may be more secure *hopefully*

Even with the increased use of the internet, tech jobs that would've been seen as "secure" 20 years ago have gone overseas for cheaper labor costs. System admins, software development, operations. Also, much of the physical aspect, such as tape operations, has been moved towards virtual tape, so no physical media to manage (meaning less hands on required), less bodies to do something. Just a few people, ideally, to manage the backup jobs, virtual drives, virtual libraries, etc..

I do believe some form of UBI will eventually be necessary. I also think the upper and ruling classes will fight it to the bitter end, and try to keep us squabbling over social issues that they don't really care about, but in the end UBI becomes fuel for our next revolution. Which is almost darkly humorous to see the change from the industrial revolution, to machines taking our jobs, half circle to the point it creates another revolution.

I've never visited places devastated by a job market collapse from automation and/or outsourcing, but the few PBS reports I've seen don't make it look pretty

What I get to see is in-sourcing. Where whole IT departments are wiped out, and contractors employing mainly h1-b's are put in place. It's pretty shitty.

 

[bshole]

I'd be lying if I said I knew exactly when the break between white collar and blue collar began.

He's right with regards to the end result. But it's not isolated by skin color, IMO. It's just that whites had it pretty good compared to other races, so the fall is hard.

He's also correct in terms of job demands, where physical jobs are easier to automate compared to jobs requiring increased mental capacity. The automation of trucking is a prime example. Warn as many people as possible, but what about those who simply can't perform in a job market that doesn't rely solely of physical abilities? Idle hands are the devil's playground so to speak, crime will increase as people are put into desperate situations. Will we continue to feed the industrial prison system with condescension and disdain, or will empathy and knowledge overrule ignorance?
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What I get to see is in-sourcing. Where whole IT departments are wiped out, and contractors employing mainly h1-b's are put in place. It's pretty shitty.

One of your better posts. Thank you for that.

PS. I envy you your kids. My son scored only in the 75th percentile in the pre-SATs and I consider that score marginal at best. I am hoping that his utter contempt for school and utter love of pot is making him perform lower. Is is possible that his emotional intelligence (which is much higher than mine) opens up something up for him. I can totally see him falling into the underclass. Unfortunately he sees what a miserable and unhappy person I am and so he doesn't believe me when I speak of the connection between financial security and happiness.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Likes the pot, eh? Two choices, business degree - open own pot shop in a state that is legalizing. Or horticultural specialist at least with the business degree he has the option to be his own boss.

I'm not sure how it will go for mine, teenage years incoming lol.

 

[bshole]

Likes the pot, eh? Two choices, business degree - open own pot shop in a state that is legalizing. Or horticultural specialist at least with the business degree he has the option to be his own boss.

I'm not sure how it will go for mine, teenage years incoming lol.

Dude you have no idea! I suppose it depends on what you were like as a kid. My bothers and I were all hell-raisers and I was the only one who gave a shit about school. However compared to me my son is off the rails. Most of the engineers I wok with have none of the problems that I am having. Of course most of them would fall in the category of "nerd" and were never in the party scene at all. Are you a nerd? If so, I am sure you will be ok. In any event from what I have read from you, you aren't making some of the mistakes that I have made.

For me, I stopped being able to control my son at the age of 14. He was going over to fool around with a girl and I told him no, he said fuck you and went anyways. I basically went hands off from that point on to avoid conflict. Now I spend all my time telling him of the consequences of certain behavior. Thankfully I believe I have talked him out of using hard drugs and to always use condoms.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Dude you have no idea! I suppose it depends on what you were like as a kid. My bothers and I were all hell-raisers and I was the only one who gave a shit about school. However compared to me my son is off the rails. Most of the engineers I wok with have none of the problems that I am having. Of course most of them would fall in the category of "nerd" and were never in the party scene at all. Are you a nerd? If so, I am sure you will be ok. In any event from what I have read from you, you aren't making some of the mistakes that I have made.

For me, I stopped being able to control my son at the age of 14. He was going over to fool around with a girl and I told him no, he said fuck you and went anyways. I basically went hands off from that point on to avoid conflict. Now I spend all my time telling him of the consequences of certain behavior. Thankfully I believe I have talked him out of using hard drugs and to always use condoms.

I'm a kinda geek. I like science and math, was always good at it, but often lacked the attention span and was pretty goofy to be considered a nerd.

I went through a party stage in my 20's. Lots of lessons learned lol.

I can only hope my kids listen to what I have to say. I was not provided guidance by my folks, or school setting, other than to pray and ask Jesus for direction. Kinda sad, sometimes wonder who I could've been had I been raised outside of that. Anyways, guess I just over compensate with my own. They'll eventually stop seeing my as dad, and recognize my flaws for what they are.