Oliver Stone is a grade a LOON.

[Atreus21]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/oliver-stone/dispatch-from-caracas_b_590741.html

I can understand some points the left makes. I can understand fighting in favor of gay marriage, abortion, and other issues, but I thought the one thing we could all agree on was this: That regardless of politics, dictators like Hugo Chavez should be universally regarded as just another screwball who thinks repeating the failures of history will somehow produce different fruit.

Yet people like Oliver Stone remind me that even the stupidest of ideas have their proponents.

 

[shortylickens]

Right. Anyone whose extreme views dont coincide with your extreme views is a loon.

Thats lovely.

 

[IGBT]

well, with liberalism reality is optional. they will always take money from people who work and give it to people that won't work so on and so forth. liberals will always find ways to grow gov.and destroy achievement. That's why they adore dictators and presidents for life. They can do all of the above and not bother with elections or consequences.

 

[boomerang]

I breezed through the first two paragraphs and it just served to confirm my suspicions about Stone.

He hates this country, therefore the opposite must be great. Just another rich Hollywood type breathing that salt air coming in off the ocean. It fucks with your mind somehow.

His type embraces a form of government that eventually will put him out of work. He's too "creative" to make propaganda films, and filmwork is all he can do. Another shortsighted nut job.

 

[Danube]

Immoral people tend to reverse their perceptions. Anything good to them feels evil and threatening since it reminds them of what they lost. Conversely bad things with a counterfeit virtue seem genuinely good. This describes most die-hard liberals (like Stone and Sean Penn) - who are bascially psychotics who get everything backwards.

 

[Red Dawn]

Immoral people tend to reverse their perceptions. Anything good to them feels evil and threatening since it reminds them of what they lost. Conversely bad things with a counterfeit virtue seem genuinely good. This describes most die-hard liberals (like Stone and Sean Penn) - who are bascially psychotics who get everything backwards.

You know what makes Stones and Penn's lunacy a little more troubling than yours? They are somewhat influential where as your just an ass.

 

[Double Trouble]

Stone is just trying to drum up publicity for another idiotic "documentary". He's pretty much a prototypical complete moron. You visit "el presidente for life" dictator, he guides you around some areas and people he wants you to see, and voila, you conclude he must not be all that bad. What a tool. Sad to see such complete morons falling for that tripe.

What's going on in Venezuela is not "Obama is a socialist, no he's not!", it's complete crushing of political opposition, crushing the free press, imprisoning or killing of people who oppose Chavez, destruction of the Venezuelan economy, and ultimately destruction of all the wealth that belongs to all the people of Venezuela. I can't help but feel sorry for all the people of that country that are being dragged from one of the wealthiest countries in south america to the point where they don't have power or clean water in much of the country.

Chavez needs to be taken out. Doesn't matter who does it or why, he needs to be eliminated.

 

[Atreus21]

Right. Anyone whose extreme views dont coincide with your extreme views is a loon.

Thats lovely.

Condemning a repressive dictatorship by a firebrand ideologue as something is hardly extreme.

 

[IGBT]

Stone is just trying to drum up publicity for another idiotic "documentary". He's pretty much a prototypical complete moron. You visit "el presidente for life" dictator, he guides you around some areas and people he wants you to see, and voila, you conclude he must not be all that bad. What a tool. Sad to see such complete morons falling for that tripe.

What's going on in Venezuela is not "Obama is a socialist, no he's not!", it's complete crushing of political opposition, crushing the free press, imprisoning or killing of people who oppose Chavez, destruction of the Venezuelan economy, and ultimately destruction of all the wealth that belongs to all the people of Venezuela. I can't help but feel sorry for all the people of that country that are being dragged from one of the wealthiest countries in south america to the point where they don't have power or clean water in much of the country.

Chavez needs to be taken out. Doesn't matter who does it or why, he needs to be eliminated.

don't forget he's also a business man more then willing to cash in on the locoweed liberal loons that would line up and pay to see his flicks.

 

[Double Trouble]

Right. Anyone whose extreme views dont coincide with your extreme views is a loon.

Thats lovely.

I've been posting on AT since 1997, and I don't think you'd find a lot of people that would categorize me as "extreme" on much of anything.

The actions of Chavez and his henchmen hit close to home for me, I grew up in that part of the world and I know people who lived there and some that still live there. What Chavez is doing there is downright criminal. The only reason he can get away with it is that the US and the rest of the world keep showering him with petro-dollars to cover up the disaster that he's created.

 

[Red Dawn]

I've been posting on AT since 1997, and I don't think you'd find a lot of people that would categorize me as "extreme" on much of anything.

The actions of Chavez and his henchmen hit close to home for me, I grew up in that part of the world and I know people who lived there and some that still live there. What Chavez is doing there is downright criminal. The only reason he can get away with it is that the US and the rest of the world keep showering him with petro-dollars to cover up the disaster that he's created.

More precise, they really don't give a fuck about that country or it's people. Anyway they elected him, let them deal with him.

 

[Zebo]

We overlook a lot worse places than Venezuela.

How about Saudi Arabia? Child brides. Just outlawed slavery in 1979 but still practiced on the down low. Horrific human rights violations. Gender apartheid. Funding racial islam. And so on. Spice must flow.

How about China who dont even have elections but we sure love their slave labor camps and good we get at Wal-Mart.

As long as they stay democratic they are exponentially better than our other "partners." I don't get the hate either or at least it's misallocated by our media and state reps.

 

[Rainsford]

well, with liberalism reality is optional. they will always take money from people who work and give it to people that won't work so on and so forth. liberals will always find ways to grow gov.and destroy achievement. That's why they adore dictators and presidents for life. They can do all of the above and not bother with elections or consequences.

Reality is usually not black and white. You don't need to be a liberal to see a middle ground between "I adore Chavez" and "Chavez is worse than Hitler."

The real problem in discussions like this isn't the loony left or the wackjob right, it's your particular brand of political garbage that allows no middle ground or complexity on any topic. Everything has to be distilled into something you can slap on a bumper sticker. Since reality rarely fits in that kind of space, I don't think you're in much a position to say people are treating reality as an optional part of politics.

You might not agree with Stone's assessment of Chavez, I don't. But at the very least he's ATTEMPTING to have an intelligent and nuanced view of the world...which is more than I can say for people like you.

 

[BoberFett]

Reality is usually not black and white. You don't need to be a liberal to see a middle ground between "I adore Chavez" and "Chavez is worse than Hitler."

The real problem in discussions like this isn't the loony left or the wackjob right, it's your particular brand of political garbage that allows no middle ground or complexity on any topic. Everything has to be distilled into something you can slap on a bumper sticker. Since reality rarely fits in that kind of space, I don't think you're in much a position to say people are treating reality as an optional part of politics.

You might not agree with Stone's assessment of Chavez, I don't. But at the very least he's ATTEMPTING to have an intelligent and nuanced view of the world...which is more than I can say for people like you.

Mussolini made the trains run on time. Amirite?



There's intelligent and nuanced, and then there's naive and easily led. Stone has long since fell into the latter. Chavez may simply be a product of his environment and a intelligent person seeks to understand the why. What an intelligent person does not do however is believe the man's propaganda about how he's a champion of the people. He's a wannabe dictator. No more, no less. Hopefully you're intelligent enough to understand the time and place for nuance.

 

[IGBT]

Reality is usually not black and white. You don't need to be a liberal to see a middle ground between "I adore Chavez" and "Chavez is worse than Hitler."

The real problem in discussions like this isn't the loony left or the wackjob right, it's your particular brand of political garbage that allows no middle ground or complexity on any topic. Everything has to be distilled into something you can slap on a bumper sticker. Since reality rarely fits in that kind of space, I don't think you're in much a position to say people are treating reality as an optional part of politics.

You might not agree with Stone's assessment of Chavez, I don't. But at the very least he's ATTEMPTING to have an intelligent and nuanced view of the world...which is more than I can say for people like you.

the New Castrati has spoken. hope you enjoy your middle position i.e. road kill.

 

[Rainsford]

the New Castrati has spoken. hope you enjoy your middle position i.e. road kill.

Hey, believe me...I'm the first to admit the dangers of holding a position I didn't get verbatim from talk radio. But all things considered, it's better than the alternative.

Edit: But I would point out it's not a "middle position". Using your brain every once in a while isn't "middle of the road". It's using your brain, which shouldn't be a political position at all.

 

[Mani]

Immoral people tend to reverse their perceptions. Anything good to them feels evil and threatening since it reminds them of what they lost. Conversely bad things with a counterfeit virtue seem genuinely good. This describes most die-hard liberals (like Stone and Sean Penn) - who are bascially psychotics who get everything backwards.

Penn has done a hell of a lot more good in the world than you can ever hope to do, regardless of his views.

 

[Jadow]

Penn has done a hell of a lot more good in the world than you can ever hope to do, regardless of his views.

like beating his wife (the chick from Forrest Gump) and also beating Madonna?

How good can a serial woman beater be?

 

[Mani]

like beating his wife (the chick from Forrest Gump) and also beating Madonna?

How good can a serial woman beater be?

Link to convictions? Indictments? Even public accusations? Garbage tabloid journalism doesn't count.

 

[boomerang]

Penn has done a hell of a lot more good in the world than you can ever hope to do, regardless of his views.

He's pretty good at kicking the shit out of the paparazzi.

 

[Jhhnn]

just another screwball who thinks repeating the failures of history will somehow produce different fruit.

If you had any sense at all, you'd realize you were talking about the Bush Admin and the fools who cheered them on...

 

[Triumph]

But I found him to be a charismatic and dynamic figure, bent on helping his country emerge from the crushing weight of US political interests.

The first part of that statement is probably true. Most dictators get their power by being charismatic, able to drum up support by successfully playing to the emotions of whomever they're pretending to represent. It's usually the poor that they pander to, who are notoriously easy to coerce, especially if you're a charismatic, dynamic figure. I hate to bring the "That's what the nazis did" argument into the thread, but really, it's an apt analogy - lets face it, Hitler was a motivating speaker.

 

[Greenman]

You know what makes Stones and Penn's lunacy a little more troubling than yours? They are somewhat influential where as your just an ass.

Hey pot, let me introduce my friend kettle.

 

[rudder]

Right. Anyone whose extreme views dont coincide with your extreme views is a loon.

Thats lovely.

How about you goto Venezuela wearing an anti-Chavez t-shirt. Report back to us after your beatings that you received in jail are over.

The same as me saying sean penn is a loon because he went over to iraq for a photo op with saddam prior to the gulf war. The evidence in these cases are overwhelming... so it is safe to say oliver stone is a loon.

 

[werepossum]

Lefties tend to love dictators; righties tend to hate them but find them useful. Stone, like Penn and many others on the left, automatically like anyone who hates the USA. Couple that with almost unrestricted government power and it's not hard to see why the likes of Chavez and Castro are so attractive to the lefty celebutards. And yes, Stone is a loon. Like Michael Moore (also a big Chavez lover) he makes mockumentaries and attempts to sell them as documentaries.