Old VW's (aircooled ones), anyone??

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Lifer
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As my user name suggest, I'm an aircooled VW fanantic, but I've been away from the hobby for a few years due to time/money and local emissions constraints.

I still have a '76 bus thats parked and unlicensed (I'll have it licensed shortly and start cruising with it again soon).

I've owned a 66 bug, a 69 bug, a 70 bug, a 71 bus, and now my 76 bus (type 4, 2.0 engine)....

Anyone into the old VW's???
 

tigerwannabe

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yup, i'm gonna be buying & fixing up my dad's old '72 vw bug. red with a black, convertible top. it'll be a sharp, little roadster after some work :D
 

Eli

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Yeah, they rule.. ;)

I want to get a '69 bug, and fix it up all nice... put a 2.2L Type4 engine in it..

It'd be a beast. :)
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: bob970
took over 800 posts to bring up this topic? ;)

LOL....Sorry man...thought I was alone here...;-)


I built my 76 bus's 2.0 liter type 4 engine from the ground up with Mark Stephens heads. Unfortunatley replaceing the stock fuel injectrion with a progressive weber carb was a no-no in this state and I havn't been able to get an emmisions sticker since then (even though it truley passes from the tailpipe, it failed the physical) ... but now it's over 25 years old and I no longer have to do an emissions test, just a safety (lights, seatbelts, winshield, etc...) so I can get it back on the road!!!!


My other option was to buy an old 60's make bug, or ghia and a Kennedy Engineering coversion kit and put my 2 liter type 4 in a light bug, or ghia or any other model and have a sweet a$$ fast VDUB that was exempt from emissions, but now that my bus is exempt I might keep it for awhile....



 

yakko

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Originally posted by: aircooled
my 76 bus (type 4, 2.0 engine)....

You do know that the buses never came with Type IV motors right? They were always Type II. I like the old VWs but I prefer the early H2O carslike the MK I Scirocco or Rabbit. MK II Quantum wagon up to 83 or 84 (with an Audi 2.0 preferably).
 

Bignate603

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My rents went through tons of VW buses when they lived in Germany. They usually had two, one to drive and one to take parts from.
 

Fritzo

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I had a rare 1972 Bug with a semi-automatic transmission (stick with no clutch....just change gears! It was cool!). It dies a horrible death: It stalled on the e-way and I had it towed. The idiot tow truck driver towed it BACK SIDE UP. The car went over a few bumps AND BENT IN HALF!!!!! The driver was begging me not to call his boss, but how could I not??? I HAD A FOLDED CAR FOR CRISSAKE!!!! He paid me $2000 to replace the car. I paid $700 for it. HEHEHEEHEHEHEEHEH.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: yakko
Originally posted by: aircooled
my 76 bus (type 4, 2.0 engine)....

You do know that the buses never came with Type IV motors right? They were always Type II. I like the old VWs but I prefer the early H2O carslike the MK I Scirocco or Rabbit. MK II Quantum wagon up to 83 or 84 (with an Audi 2.0 preferably).

Sorry to contridict you, but that is incorrect. The VW transporter (the bus), which was always known as the type II (the beetle was type I) changed engines in 1972. Even though the vehicle was still considered the type II, the enginge was the type 4 from 1972-1979 (before it went water cooled). This was basically the same enigine as the porsche 914 (the spark plugs were angled in a slightly different direction).

Edit here's a link: VW quick reference link Take a particular look at the 1972 bus (type II/type4). Mine is the 1976 2000cc Type IV engine.
 

yakko

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Originally posted by: aircooled
Originally posted by: yakko
Originally posted by: aircooled
my 76 bus (type 4, 2.0 engine)....

You do know that the buses never came with Type IV motors right? They were always Type II. I like the old VWs but I prefer the early H2O carslike the MK I Scirocco or Rabbit. MK II Quantum wagon up to 83 or 84 (with an Audi 2.0 preferably).

Sorry to contridict you, but that is incorrect. The VW transporter (the bus), which was always known as the type II (the beetle was type I) changed engines in 1972. Even though the vehicle was still considered the type II, the enginge was the type 4 from 1972-1979 (before it went water cooled). This was basically the same enigine as the porsche 914 (the spark plugs were angled in a slightly different direction).

Edit here's a link: VW quick reference link Take a particular look at the 1972 bus (type II/type4)

It is more than just the spark plugs that were different. The Type II used a carb in the early years while the Type IV was feul injected since day one. Technically none of it really made it a different motor. All of it was basically to do with how you accessed the motor in the engine compartment. Angle of the plugs, where the number was stamped on the engine block, feul injection and a few other minor details. When I was a VW mechanic I made the mistake of saying that the bus had a Type IV motor in it and I got the whole story about the differencs from the guy who had been working there for over 20 years.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: yakko
Originally posted by: aircooled
Originally posted by: yakko
Originally posted by: aircooled
my 76 bus (type 4, 2.0 engine)....

You do know that the buses never came with Type IV motors right? They were always Type II. I like the old VWs but I prefer the early H2O carslike the MK I Scirocco or Rabbit. MK II Quantum wagon up to 83 or 84 (with an Audi 2.0 preferably).

Sorry to contridict you, but that is incorrect. The VW transporter (the bus), which was always known as the type II (the beetle was type I) changed engines in 1972. Even though the vehicle was still considered the type II, the enginge was the type 4 from 1972-1979 (before it went water cooled). This was basically the same enigine as the porsche 914 (the spark plugs were angled in a slightly different direction).

Edit here's a link: VW quick reference link Take a particular look at the 1972 bus (type II/type4)

It is more than just the spark plugs that were different. The Type II used a carb in the early years while the Type IV was feul injected since day one. Technically none of it really made it a different motor. All of it was basically to do with how you accessed the motor in the engine compartment. Angle of the plugs, where the number was stamped on the engine block, feul injection and a few other minor details. When I was a VW mechanic I made the mistake of saying that the bus had a Type IV motor in it and I got the whole story about the differencs from the guy who had been working there for over 20 years.


My previous career was an aircooled VW mechanic (before computer tech...;-)) and I can assure you that the 1972 and up VW Bus engine is a type 4 (see the link I provided in my last post). Unlike the 914 it used dual carbs rather than fuel injection until mid-70's, then it used Audi fuel injection components untill it became water-cooled after 1980 and became the vanagon and used the rabbit/golf engine.

You are correct that the VW bus was always called a type 2, but the engine was a type 1 from origin to 1971, and type 4 from 1972 to 1979. It's the vehicle as a whole that is considered type 2, the engine type changed in 1972. In fact there was never a true engine type considered type II, just the vechicle itself.

I'm not trying to argue.... us vw folks are pretty mellow...;-) But factually speaking the engine I am referring to is a type 4, and it's shortblock can be used in any type 4 vehicle, and it's longblock can also be used in any type 4 vehicle excluding the 914 only due to spark plug angle otherwise it's the same. (the fuel injection etc... is a moot point as it can be placed on carberated model and vice versa. I've put dual carbs on a 914 that was originally fuel injected, and fuel injection on buses that were carberated by adding another spout from the fuel tank. It's the block and heads that make the engine model, not whether it fuel injected or not. You can completly convert a type 4 engine to an upright configuration (just like a type 1) and it's still a type 4 engine.

No offence...you are obviously a VW guy... but the '72 and on bay window bus has a type 4 engine even though the vehicle is a type II transporter.



edit=spelling....

 

Linflas

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I love them but had to sell my last one when I still lived in a townhouse because it needed some body work and I really had no place to do it. I do have a garage full of parts if I ever get my hands on another one.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Linflas
I love them but had to sell my last one when I still lived in a townhouse because it needed some body work and I really had no place to do it. I do have a garage full of parts if I ever get my hands on another one.

I hear ya man... I want my next one to be "done" body wise. Mechanically speaking I can take care of any problems, but I'd rather not have to do any body work in my little garage...