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Old people and The Quest for High Def

Fritzo

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My in-laws, who are in their 60's, got a nice tax return. Being retired and always in awe of our LCD TV, they decided they wanted to get one to replace their 36" console TV. They ask me for some recommendations, and I give them a full list of things they'll want:

- high def TV service
- receiver to replace their old one (their old one doesn't have HDMI)
- some HDMI cables
- Go look for a TV that looks best to them. 50-55" will work best for their room.

My mother-in-law is famous for being cheap and angry, and one usually causes the other. Being the norm for any purchase over $12.37, cheapness caused a litany of screwups, which in turn caused a 10 megagrump airburst, which in turn caused misery to everyone within 10 miles of the epicenter (FEMA usually gets involved after that).

Her problems started with ordering Dish Network. She has a form of tourette's syndrome that is triggered by the word "extra." She ordered their absolute cheapest package, and when offered hi-def channels, she heard "costs EXTRA", which triggered an involuntary "Idontwanit" response.

"We have a hi-definition receiver available for $5 extra per mo..."
"Idontwanit"
"OK, but for $5 per month you can get the hi-definition channel package for your new t.."
"Idontwanit"
"Do you just want standard TV service?"
"Are there any extra fees on that?
"No"
"I'LL TAKE IT!"

So, Dish Network comes out, hooks up a standard definition receiver to her new 52" plasma TV, finishes, then leaves. She then calls my wife the following morning screaming "WE PAID ALL THIS #$%#$%#$ MONEY ON THIS TV AND IT LOOKS LIKE CRAP! WE SHOULD HAVE STAYED WITH CABLE! WHAT THE HELL??!!!! I CAN'T STAND LOOKING AT THIS!!!"

My wife calls me on my way to work and asks if I can stop over to check out the situation. I walked in, and she had my poor father-in-law (who has emphysema) push their old 36" console back into the room and put it in front of their new TV because she couldn't stand looking at the picture on the new one. With an "ooookaaaaayyyyy..." smirk, I looked in back of the new TV, and the tech had hooked up the receiver with RCA cables. Easy enough---we need to use an HDMI cable to hook it up. Only there IS not HDMI port on the receiver.

To make a long story short, my mother-out-law was yelling at everyone from Dish Network, my wife, the installer, the dog, the Sham-Wow guy, and the members of the G20 conference about her poor picture and how hi-def is a sham, when in fact she didn't spend the total of $15/month extra that is needed for hi-def service. I stripped my mother-out-law of her ordering powers and told the father-in-law to call Dish back, plus gave him the exact model of receivers to order, and the exact way he needs his TV's hooked up. Dish was back out there the next day, and they're now flabbergasted at the picture quality....and that's a powerful statement because I've only used the word flabbergasted 4 times in my entire life. They watched Survivor last night and it looked like you could pop the pimples on the guy's back...the way HD should be.

In conclusion- it seems that people born in a certain generation have an inherent "You're out to screw me" gene, which often prevents them from making good choices. Everyone around them has to pay the price until someone steps in and points out their mistakes. What's scary is I think MOST people are like this right now. It's amazing hi-tech services can stay in business with people like this out there. Think of the mindset they're in in for a moment:

"I'll spend $1500 on a TV. Now, I don't want to spend anything extra so the TV will work well, I don't want to spend anything extra to make the TV sound good, and I don't want to spend anything extra to make the TV easy to use. Therefore, HI-DEF TV'S SUCK!"

I'm going to make a new foundation with the slogan "Relatives don't let older relatives get modern technology."

Stay tuned for Episode II: The Revenge of the DVR
 

Aharami

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to be fair though, standard def looks pretty bad on most HD TVs. Yea the new ones do a good job of scaling properly, but only if cable is hooked up directly to the TV and the TV's internal tuner is allowed to work it's magic. I have a Samsung LN46A650 and it's amazing how much better SD looks when hooked up directly to the TV as compared to going thru comcast's box
 

blinblue

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One quick fix when people complain about crappy looking HDTV is to flip over to the over-the-air HD transmissions. At least where I am, a number of channels are broadcast in 1080i and they look amazing, and its free.
Thankfully all the family who ask me technology questions are usually fairly smart, so there aren't too many facepalm moments.
 

evident

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Originally posted by: Bulk Beef
My folks have hi-def everything and still watch everything in SD.

yeah, this sums my parents up. they are so used to NBC being "channel 10", ABC being "channel 6" and CBS being "channel 3", they refuse to find out where the HD versions of those channels are, no matter how many times i show them.

sigh...
 

Fritzo

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Jan 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: bobdole369
high def TV service

Use rabbit ears. Supply a remote control - problem solved - HD comes in over the air and gives your folks the best possible picture.

They wanted all the channels, but didn't want to pay for them. Also, I told them exactly what to get from DISH and ignored it because they thought they were getting screwed by "extras", when in fact they were needed services (which I pointed out in my instructions). That's the cliffs of the whole story.
 

Barfo

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Jan 4, 2005
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9/10

Stingy old folks and new tech don't go well together.

Originally posted by: Fritzo
it seems that people born in a certain generation have an inherent "You're out to screw me" gene

My dad has this and I don't know how can someone live like this and expect to be happy, if the waiter brings his order a little too late or even early, he's doing it to spite him, if he gets a few dropped calls from his cell phone, the carrier is conspiring to make his life miserable and so on :roll:
 

Savij

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To be fair, all telecom and cable companies ARE out to screw everyone.
 

BrownTown

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Its funny, I'm 23 and I still don't understand HDTV or how to set it up. Consequently I have a 19 inch standard definition TV despite making WAY more than enough money to justify a decent TV setup. Its kind of like computer graphics though, the old stuff looks GREAT until you get the new stuff and then you can't stand the old graphics. Like I remember my old computer could never play FarCry because it looked so good. Then I bought a new computer and played Crysis and when I went back to play FarCry I couldn't because now I suddenly thought it looked like shit. I'd imagine its the same with TV, it only looks bad to us young people because we are used to HDTV, but if you are used to standard it will look good and you won't feel like you are missing anything.

Same thing now with my expensive ass computer and the ones we use at work, I have a seizure now every time my work computer freezes up for more than a second because I'm used to that top of the line computer at home. Its all relative, and if your old then what we have now sure looks damn good compared to back in the day. The fact of the matter is all of us will be there sooner than we would probably like to think being just fine with our HDTV while our children call all old farts for not having the new uber-definition TV.
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: Savij
To be fair, all telecom and cable companies ARE out to screw everyone.

Yeah, this isn't an unfounded fear here. They are trying to fuck you.

I'd get HDTV service if there was something on TV I actually wanted to see in HD.
 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: Bulk Beef
My folks have hi-def everything and still watch everything in SD.

yeah, this sums my parents up. they are so used to NBC being "channel 10", ABC being "channel 6" and CBS being "channel 3", they refuse to find out where the HD versions of those channels are, no matter how many times i show them.

sigh...

They're in Philly, aren't they? :)

Remember when 10 was 3 and 3 was 10? That caused some confusion.
 

dainthomas

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Dec 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: Fritzo
My in-laws, who are in their 60's, got a nice tax return. Being retired and always in awe of our LCD TV, they decided they wanted to get one to replace their 36" console TV. They ask me for some recommendations, and I give them a full list of things they'll want:

- high def TV service
- receiver to replace their old one (their old one doesn't have HDMI)
- some HDMI cables
- Go look for a TV that looks best to them. 50-55" will work best for their room.

My mother-in-law is famous for being cheap and angry, and one usually causes the other. Being the norm for any purchase over $12.37, cheapness caused a litany of screwups, which in turn caused a 10 megagrump airburst, which in turn caused misery to everyone within 10 miles of the epicenter (FEMA usually gets involved after that).

Her problems started with ordering Dish Network. She has a form of tourette's syndrome that is triggered by the word "extra." She ordered their absolute cheapest package, and when offered hi-def channels, she heard "costs EXTRA", which triggered an involuntary "Idontwanit" response.

"We have a hi-definition receiver available for $5 extra per mo..."
"Idontwanit"
"OK, but for $5 per month you can get the hi-definition channel package for your new t.."
"Idontwanit"
"Do you just want standard TV service?"
"Are there any extra fees on that?
"No"
"I'LL TAKE IT!"

So, Dish Network comes out, hooks up a standard definition receiver to her new 52" plasma TV, finishes, then leaves. She then calls my wife the following morning screaming "WE PAID ALL THIS #$%#$%#$ MONEY ON THIS TV AND IT LOOKS LIKE CRAP! WE SHOULD HAVE STAYED WITH CABLE! WHAT THE HELL??!!!! I CAN'T STAND LOOKING AT THIS!!!"

My wife calls me on my way to work and asks if I can stop over to check out the situation. I walked in, and she had my poor father-in-law (who has emphysema) push their old 36" console back into the room and put it in front of their new TV because she couldn't stand looking at the picture on the new one. With an "ooookaaaaayyyyy..." smirk, I looked in back of the new TV, and the tech had hooked up the receiver with RCA cables. Easy enough---we need to use an HDMI cable to hook it up. Only there IS not HDMI port on the receiver.

To make a long story short, my mother-out-law was yelling at everyone from Dish Network, my wife, the installer, the dog, the Sham-Wow guy, and the members of the G20 conference about her poor picture and how hi-def is a sham, when in fact she didn't spend the total of $15/month extra that is needed for hi-def service. I stripped my mother-out-law of her ordering powers and told the father-in-law to call Dish back, plus gave him the exact model of receivers to order, and the exact way he needs his TV's hooked up. Dish was back out there the next day, and they're now flabbergasted at the picture quality....and that's a powerful statement because I've only used the word flabbergasted 4 times in my entire life. They watched Survivor last night and it looked like you could pop the pimples on the guy's back...the way HD should be.

In conclusion- it seems that people born in a certain generation have an inherent "You're out to screw me" gene, which often prevents them from making good choices. Everyone around them has to pay the price until someone steps in and points out their mistakes. What's scary is I think MOST people are like this right now. It's amazing hi-tech services can stay in business with people like this out there. Think of the mindset they're in in for a moment:

"I'll spend $1500 on a TV. Now, I don't want to spend anything extra so the TV will work well, I don't want to spend anything extra to make the TV sound good, and I don't want to spend anything extra to make the TV easy to use. Therefore, HI-DEF TV'S SUCK!"

I'm going to make a new foundation with the slogan "Relatives don't let older relatives get modern technology."

Stay tuned for Episode II: The Revenge of the DVR

Fabulous rant, 10/10! Would read again!

My grandma is the same way. She has a 30-something inch LCD but refuses to pay the extra $10/mo for HD because she says she can't tell the difference. Not sure how she'd know since I'm sure she's never seen it, but whatever.

I guess it doesn't really matter since every time I go over there to fix her fubared computer she just has it on the Lawrence Welk Cure for Insomnia music station anyway.
 

olds

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Why did they need a receiver with HDMI?
I don't have HDMI on my receiver and my HT (1080i/5.1) works just fine.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Why did they need a receiver with HDMI?
I don't have HDMI on my receiver and my HT (1080i/5.1) works just fine.

Yeah, I just used an optical cable for a couple years.
 

zanejohnson

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Why did they need a receiver with HDMI?
I don't have HDMI on my receiver and my HT (1080i/5.1) works just fine.

he stated they used RCA cables for the picture and sound..
 

mugs

Lifer
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Sounds like the problem is that you told them what YOU would buy; you didn't consider their needs.
 

cpacini

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Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: Bulk Beef
My folks have hi-def everything and still watch everything in SD.

yeah, this sums my parents up. they are so used to NBC being "channel 10", ABC being "channel 6" and CBS being "channel 3", they refuse to find out where the HD versions of those channels are, no matter how many times i show them.

sigh...

I had the exact same problem with my mother. One day, I blocked every SD channel that has an HD equivalent. She learned the new channels eventually.
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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Originally posted by: zanejohnson
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Why did they need a receiver with HDMI?
I don't have HDMI on my receiver and my HT (1080i/5.1) works just fine.

he stated they used RCA cables for the picture and sound..

To be clear, RCA refers to the connector. High definition video and 5.1 audio can both be delivered over a cable that uses an RCA connector (component video and digital coax respectively).

He probably meant that they used a composite video cable. Obviously the cable doesn't matter when they didn't have an HD box.
 

zanejohnson

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Originally posted by: Sawyer
My receiver has no hdmi and I use 5.1 just fine with hdmi

yes everyone knows 5.1 can also be transmitted via optical or digital coax...

the only advantage to hdmi is when using BR or HD DVD.. it has the available bandwidth needed for the full range of sound..
 

shocksyde

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Originally posted by: zanejohnson
Originally posted by: Sawyer
My receiver has no hdmi and I use 5.1 just fine with hdmi

yes everyone knows 5.1 can also be transmitted via optical or digital coax...

the only advantage to MDMA is when using BR or HD DVD.. it has the available bandwidth needed for the full range of sound..

I see...

 

zanejohnson

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: zanejohnson
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Why did they need a receiver with HDMI?
I don't have HDMI on my receiver and my HT (1080i/5.1) works just fine.

he stated they used RCA cables for the picture and sound..

To be clear, RCA refers to the connector. High definition video and 5.1 audio can both be delivered over a cable that uses an RCA connector (component video and digital coax respectively).

He probably meant that they used a composite video cable. Obviously the cable doesn't matter when they didn't have an HD box.

yes i know, im sure he meant they used composite cables as in stereo audio and a composite video cable.. i use a digital coax cable for sound from my PC to my receiver, works fine for DD/DTS 5.1
 

zanejohnson

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Originally posted by: shocksyde
Originally posted by: zanejohnson
Originally posted by: Sawyer
My receiver has no hdmi and I use 5.1 just fine with hdmi

yes everyone knows 5.1 can also be transmitted via optical or digital coax...

the only advantage to MDMA is when using BR or HD DVD.. it has the available bandwidth needed for the full range of sound..

I see...


what does ecstasy have to do with anything? well i guess it would probably enhance your HD experience lol..