old HDD: BIOS sees it, W98 doesnt...

[Davegod]

OK i have a old 2.5 Quantum HDD installed as slave to a new SG Barracuda IV 40gb. in BIOS (and during post) the second HDD is shown as being a slave. However, Win98 refuses to accept it exists... I know the old HDD is a bit of an extra but the thing is it has some important files and stuff on there, specifically a report for uni!! also loads of files & programs.

I was considering maybe the smaller drive's jumper is set to master so had a look - however the drive doesnt show the jumper configurations. had a go by using the barraduda jumper guide but no sucess. anyone any ideas?

on a related issue, both drives are SMART capable, but this was disabled by default in BIOS. should i turn it on?

 

[JC]

What exactly is the model of the Quantum drive? Here's a link to the jumper settings for Quantum (now owned by Maxtor)
drives.
Hope this helps you.

JC

 

[Davegod]

dont know, i saw a sticker with model number on it but it said IBM so think that came off the floppy... most else is pretty worn. thanks for that link

 

[sohcrates]

what OS are you using? Do you know what format that old HDD is in (i.e. NTFS or FAT?)

edit: k, i see you're running win98se, which means it won't see NTFS partitions..are you sure the old HDD isn't NTFS?

 

[CStroman]

Did you make sure it's been formatted properly? I believe windows won't see partitions formatted for linux, either.

 

[Davegod]

er, it was W95 (with the IE4 updates and have been updating at microsoft site), so i think thats FAT 16... got win 98 using FAT 32 right now, win W98 not be able to see the drive unless i reformat it?? no backwards compatability at all?? That'd NOT be good, need those files... old comp would not work with network card either so i cant just LAN them over, that comp is just about dismanteled now...

i think i saw a FAQ on FAT's here...

 

[sohcrates]

win98 WILL see fat16, just not NTFS

so i guess if it's from a win95 system then my idea has been shot down

hmmm

 

[CStroman]

If that drive has win95 on it, try making it the master and the other one the slave, then backing up and reformatting.

 

[Davegod]

i think thats an awfully good idea i'd best leave playing with jumpers till tomorrow... thanks loads guys, especially for the very quick responses!

 

[Pederv]

The 2.5GB came out of another system?
Could it be that the old system didn't use the full HD because of bios limitations and the new system sees the full HD thus loosing the partition scheme?
Can you look in the bios of the old system and see what the CHS parameters are and set them the same in the new system?
How about trying FDISK, just to see if the drive is recognized and if it shows any partitions.

 

[Davegod]

-- will fumble about with FDISK too


sorry about the slurry of info but ive been adding to this as new things crop up:

1. I think ive put the jumpers in every possible combo on the back of that HDD, the BIOS always sees it (shown in BIOS and the system config table thing that appears on booting) but windows just doesnt .

2. also i noticed its actually a Maxtor HDD, not a quantum. hmm. the model # is "82560D3", i'll go check that link again and re-try the jumpers... post back in a min after trying that.

3. looking at the newer HDD i noticed it said "master or single device" for the jumpper so i tried changing the jumpers on that to "master to an non-ATA device" but then the BIOS didnt see the baraccuda - but kinda weirdly it said "loading windows 95" and then asked me where command.com is... wouldnt find it. i think its weird that it started booting win95 then wouldnt see command.com. maybe woulda worked if that HDD was set to master rather than as the slave... the problem with using just the second HDD to boot win95 and then burning my stuff on cd is i dont have the w95 cd anymore, nor know anybody that does.

4. i tried booting to DOS, not there either. Windows isnt limited to drives A-F is it?

5. i was thinking, wouldnt windows still see the HDD even if it was the other NTFS system? like wouldnt it show in "my computer" but say its needs formatting or something? I tried "add new hardware" only some of the time, i also notice Quantum isnt listed in the "select from list"...
what about problems associated with a DMA 33 (maybe 66) drive being with a ATA100 drive? readign the anandtech FAQ i wouldnt think so but not 100% sure.

6. note about previous OS: BTW is was originally W95 A but was upgraded to B with the update that came with IE4. i think thats still FAT16 tho. even if it was NTFS wouldnt My Computer still whow the HDD but as not working or something?

 

[Davegod]

How do i use this FDISK? note DOS doesnt see the drive either.

Found the correct HDD at maxtor site, set the jumpers correctly but still no luck. Im gonna root around that page for a bit and see if it says anything about the point below.

i noticed 'convert to FAT32' in Accessories and reading the info, is says:
"
Although most programs are not affected by the conversion from FAT16 to FAT32, some disk utilities that depend on FAT16 do not work with FAT32 drives. You will be prompted if you are running one of these utilities. Contact your disk utility manufacturer to see if there is an updated version that is compatible with FAT32.
"
i think i got some MaxBlast software for the HDD, anyone know if that on the second HDD would cause some conflict so FAT32 wouldnt see it?

 

[Pederv]

To use FDISK, you would go to the dos prompt (press F8 while booting). Type FDISK and select option 5 (if available) and you should see the second drive. It should show available space and used space. If FDISK sees the drive then it's a matter of your partition information is missing. This could be as I said above, the old bios had a 2GB limitation and your drive is larger than 2GB and the new bios sees the whole drive.

 

[sohcrates]

<< 4. i tried booting to DOS, not there either. Windows isnt limited to drives A-F is it? >>



nope



<< 5. i was thinking, wouldnt windows still see the HDD even if it was the other NTFS system? like wouldnt it show in "my computer" but say its needs formatting or something? I tried "add new hardware" only some of the time, i also notice Quantum isnt listed in the "select from list"...
what about problems associated with a DMA 33 (maybe 66) drive being with a ATA100 drive? readign the anandtech FAQ i wouldnt think so but not 100% sure. >>



bios will see NTFS drive, windows won't recognize it in "my computer" but windows WILL show it appearing in "device manager"

also, if an ata33/66 is running on same cable as ata100 drive, they will both work, but the ata100 drive will not run at ata100

 

[Davegod]

[edit: FDISK just came up with a message about converting to FAT32, then "convert to FAT32 now?" for the barracuda. i wasnt going any further with that! already have FAT32 on that HDD and im not wanting to mess with that HDD]

after trying a million different things, and about 12 hours solid:

i rebuilt the old comp and installed the CDRW, Nero didnt crash on the 13th try (yay!), so burnt the files onto CD ("buffer underrun prevented 39 times" LOL).

hope theres nothing else on that HDD i forgot about, and its a shame i cant use it for a file backup disk, but on the upside i had noticed the two HDD's were getting pretty warm so hopefully now the Barracuda will be cooler. [and the Barracuda wil definately go at ATA100 now too]

sohcrates: im almost totally convinced the 33/100 issue is not true, either in the FAQ's here, Maxtor Knowledge Base or MS KB, it says the devices all have independent timings or whatever, the point being made was it does not affect performance one bit. i'd been very unsure on that issue myself (and in other posts people both here and at THG seem confused about it too)... but the faq thingy was pretty clear about it. well it was not for my HDD's anyway i think there can be some things where this does happen but not for ATA/DMA devices.

much thanks to all

 

[Pederv]

I know what you mean Davegod. If the "Your IDE devices are limited by the slowest device on the channel" were true, then when I watched DVD movies they should be choppy. Because my ZIP drive (PIO Mode 2) is on the same channel as my DVD drive (ATA33). And my ATA100 IBM 60GXP would take a hit because my system sees my Plextor as PIO Mode4.