Old F1 cars were faster ?

[clarkey01]

I just got into F1, a freind said cars are slower now due to them not having a turbo V6 like they used to. Sorry to be a noob😱

 

[DaTT]

Interesting...or not.

 

[Czar]

in a way yes

but todays cars go waaay faster in the turns

The reason is that they are trying to slow down cars, like one year they regulated that tires had to have rivets (sp?.. even the right word?) instead of using slicks. The point was to slow the cars down to increase overtaking and therefore making things more exciting. The tires changed, the first year after the change lap times were slower than the years before but it didnt take too long for cars to beat old lap times.

 

[Safeway]

YKou mean they had tread? A turbo V-6 would kick serious ass 🙂

Rivets are metal fasteners for sheet metal, etc. They might hold your PC case together.

 

[Doctorweir]

The old V6 turbo had 1100+ hp vs. the current 850+ hp
But the development in traction, tyres, chassis, etc. lead to having much faster cars nowadays 🙂

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Safeway
YKou mean they had tread? A turbo V-6 would kick serious ass 🙂

Rivets are metal fasteners for sheet metal, etc. They might hold your PC case together.

haha whoops... 😛

treads thats the right word

 

[SludgeFactory]

The old turbo cars had more power, but they would be completely uncompetitive against a modern car on a typical F1 track. They've made HUGE advances in braking, aerodynamics, chassis design, materials, etc. since then. The rules are changed frequently to slow the cars down, yet nearly every year they set new fastest laps. Next year they're supposed to switch from V10 to lower displacement V8 engines. It'll slow the cars down temporarily, but not for very many years.

Now, the amount of side by side racing is another story. IMO the cars are too reliant on aerodynamic grip now, I would prefer to see some radical rules changes in that area.

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
The old turbo cars had more power, but they would be completely uncompetitive against a modern car on a typical F1 track. They've made HUGE advances in braking, aerodynamics, chassis design, materials, etc. since then. The rules are changed frequently to slow the cars down, yet nearly every year they set new fastest laps. Next year they're supposed to switch from V10 to lower displacement V8 engines. It'll slow the cars down temporarily, but not for very many years.

Now, the amount of side by side racing is another story. IMO the cars are too reliant on aerodynamic grip now, I would prefer to see some radical rules changes in that area.

Thats gay. V10 to V8's 🙁

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: clarkey01

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
The old turbo cars had more power, but they would be completely uncompetitive against a modern car on a typical F1 track. They've made HUGE advances in braking, aerodynamics, chassis design, materials, etc. since then. The rules are changed frequently to slow the cars down, yet nearly every year they set new fastest laps. Next year they're supposed to switch from V10 to lower displacement V8 engines. It'll slow the cars down temporarily, but not for very many years.

Now, the amount of side by side racing is another story. IMO the cars are too reliant on aerodynamic grip now, I would prefer to see some radical rules changes in that area.

Thats gay. V10 to V8's 🙁

they will over come, just watch.

that change against the areodynamic grip would deffinately be something to watch though

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: clarkey01

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
The old turbo cars had more power, but they would be completely uncompetitive against a modern car on a typical F1 track. They've made HUGE advances in braking, aerodynamics, chassis design, materials, etc. since then. The rules are changed frequently to slow the cars down, yet nearly every year they set new fastest laps. Next year they're supposed to switch from V10 to lower displacement V8 engines. It'll slow the cars down temporarily, but not for very many years.

Now, the amount of side by side racing is another story. IMO the cars are too reliant on aerodynamic grip now, I would prefer to see some radical rules changes in that area.

Thats gay. V10 to V8's 🙁

they will over come, just watch.

that change against the areodynamic grip would deffinately be something to watch though

Hope so, I just got into it 🙂

 

[clarkey01]

Theres hardly any over taking and its driving me nuts.

 

[KokomoGSTmp]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Theres hardly any over taking and its driving me nuts.

Your boy Schumacher is one of the best at taking advantage of using aero to block.

If you change the aero so cars are less dependent on it to the point that passing is more common, you'd have very slow F1 cars in comparison to what they're like today... unless they suddenly improve tires exponentially to compensate.

 

[Calin]

Maybe the older F1 cars were faster, however, there was a time when all the fuel a car could use was 190 liter. Before that 190 liter limit the cars were possibly faster.

 

[Howard]

Yes, the engines were more powerful, but the chassis were much less stiff, the aero system didn't deliver as much downforce, the suspension didn't control the wheels as well, etc. etc.

 

[loic2003]

I think there should be far less rules, or even a new breed of racing separate to to F1. This would be a racing style where the only rules are to ensure safety is maintained (roll cages, etc) and to prevent cheating (eg big poles sticking out either side of the car so noone could overtake)and a maximum footprint but other than that, no rules at all. That way, a smaller poorer race team could simply slap a fatter turbo on their car and be up to speed with a company that has spent ££££'s on R&D.

It would lead to some really interesting vehicles with loads of wheels or extravagent aerodynamic technologies that would make racing really entertaining. In the two weeks inbetween races, teams would see how each other performed in the previous races and it'd be a race to make the most extreme cars.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: loic2003
I think there should be far less rules, or even a new breed of racing separate to to F1. This would be a racing style where the only rules are to ensure safety is maintained (roll cages, etc) and to prevent cheating (eg big poles sticking out either side of the car so noone could overtake)and a maximum footprint but other than that, no rules at all. That way, a smaller poorer race team could simply slap a fatter turbo on their car and be up to speed with a company that has spent ££££'s on R&D.

It would lead to some really interesting vehicles with loads of wheels or extravagent aerodynamic technologies that would make racing really entertaining. In the two weeks inbetween races, teams would see how each other performed in the previous races and it'd be a race to make the most extreme cars.

that will never work... those with $$$ will always be faster.

 

[MaxFusion16]

that's the idea with racing, to impose limitations to encourage newer and bolder designs to push the envelope.

 

[boyRacer]

In the early 80s when they were with Brabham, BMW had a 1.5L 4 banger turbo that was running at 1500hp in qualifying trim.

As far as the most advanced F1 car before they dumbed down the rules... it was probably the 1992 Williams FW14B. That car held a lot of circuit records before that were only broken starting around 1997-98 when aerodynamic development had clawed back the pace they lost for everytime the regulations tried to slow them down.

 

[clarkey01]

there testing next years V8's and the car that went around the track is about 4 seconds slower. My intrest in F1 may not last long.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: loic2003
I think there should be far less rules, or even a new breed of racing separate to to F1. This would be a racing style where the only rules are to ensure safety is maintained (roll cages, etc) and to prevent cheating (eg big poles sticking out either side of the car so noone could overtake)and a maximum footprint but other than that, no rules at all. That way, a smaller poorer race team could simply slap a fatter turbo on their car and be up to speed with a company that has spent ££££'s on R&D.

It would lead to some really interesting vehicles with loads of wheels or extravagent aerodynamic technologies that would make racing really entertaining. In the two weeks inbetween races, teams would see how each other performed in the previous races and it'd be a race to make the most extreme cars.

That would make for really neat cars and horrible racing. Racing is passing and f1 isn't that great at that now anything goes rules would just make it even worse.

 

[clarkey01]

I just hope ferrari give shucy a better car next year.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
there testing next years V8's and the car that went around the track is about 4 seconds slower. My intrest in F1 may not last long.

like you would be able to tell that it's 4 seconds slower on TV

in 1995 they reduced maximum displacement to 3.0L which took power down to slow the field

by 1997, laptimes were already faster so they had to bring in grooved tires and reduced the maximum width of the car

needless to say they have gone faster than that before 2000

now as the motors are putting out more or less 900hp, they are going just as fast despite the FIA constantly trying to reduce downforce... it's just a cycle

i don't know what your obsession with speed and a faster lap time is but as long as the new rules would be able to produce better racing then i'm all for it

 

[Alex]

man i have watched F1 for the past 12 years religiously, possibly longer, ever since i was a kid cause my dad is really into it...

the new rules and limits and all this crap their imposing has WRECKED the sport for everyone. in the past few years i've found my interest decreasing as more and more rules are introduced that basically wreck the fun of this...