Olbermann tries to blame Libertarians for Jewish-hating murderer

[bamacre]

Listen closely...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSKaXOjGLDY

Let's clarify what he says. Basically, Brunn switched his website domain name to a man who shares a phone number with a woman who was a MI coordinator for Ron Paul.

:laugh:

How relevant is this? Did Olbermann really go out of his way to bash Ron Paul? To try to tie Ron Paul into this mess? To even make the impression that somehow Ron Paul is an anti-Semite? Of course he did. This is ridiculous.

And it goes further, as Eugene Robinson says basically these people "believe in an America that never was, an America where the Constitution prohibits an income tax, and that you know, that we're on a gold standard, and there's no federal reserve bank."

First off, yes that was an America that was.

Secondly, wtf does any of this have to do with anti-Semitism?

Absolutely nothing.

These were not just ideas laid out in our own Constitution, but much more recently, ideas of Austrian economics, of which Ron Paul is a student.

And the man many consider the "father" of Austrian Economics was Ludwig von Mises.

Who was Jewish. Who fled Europe to New York out of fear of the Nazi regime.

 

[kylebisme]

Olbermann does make some rather absurd arguments at times, but at least this time he is trumped by this Rabbi trying to blame Obama.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Olbermann does make some rather absurd arguments at times, but at least this time he is trumped by this Rabbi trying to blame Obama.

Blame is in. There's a conservative commentator who's blaming Obama for Letterman's Palin joke.

As to RP, it's unfortunate, but perhaps not entirely coincidental, that so many of his supporters are truthers, and that's just not a stable group of people.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Olbermann does make some rather absurd arguments at times, but at least this time he is trumped by this Rabbi trying to blame Obama.

Blame is in. There's a conservative commentator who's blaming Obama for Letterman's Palin joke.

As to RP, it's unfortunate, but perhaps not entirely coincidental, that so many of his supporters are truthers, and that's just not a stable group of people.

This forum is full of unstable Republicans and Democrats. What's your point?

 

[TruePaige]

What a sick bastard. How can you even dare to make something like a tool to further your political agenda?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Olbermann does make some rather absurd arguments at times, but at least this time he is trumped by this Rabbi trying to blame Obama.

Blame is in. There's a conservative commentator who's blaming Obama for Letterman's Palin joke.

As to RP, it's unfortunate, but perhaps not entirely coincidental, that so many of his supporters are truthers, and that's just not a stable group of people.

I see you can't help but to toss some blame around too.

And yeah, there are many nutty truthers out there, but then those who take mention of the fact that Building 7 couldn't have collapsed into it's own footprint at nearly free fall speed without controlled demolition as an excuse to launch into tirades about no-planers and the like aren't rightly stable either.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Listen closely...

Topic Title: Olbermann tries to blame Libertarians for Jewish-hating murderer
Topic Summary: Just pathetic - goes completely on tangent to drag Ron Paul into the dirt

I call BULLSHIT! Read the transcript for the entire segment. Ron Paul's name is mentioned exactly ONCE, and neither Olbermann nor his guest, Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, say anything even close to suggesting that Paul or anyone actually associated with him supports or condones Von Brunn's actions. What Olbermann actually said was:

?Talking Points Memo? reports that Von Brunn switched his Web site domain on June 1st to a man who shares a phone number with a woman who was listed as a Michigan coordinator for former presidential candidate Ron Paul, who is at least nominally a Republican.

I call further BULLSHIT because, in the piece, Olbermann was careful NOT to suggest that all Republicans or all conservatives are violent whack jobs. His ONLY point is refuting Limbaugh's dumbass assertion that Von Brunn's rantings are closer to the left than anything from the right wingnuts like himself. What Limbaugh said:

This guy is a leftist, if anything. This guy?s beliefs, this guy?s hate stems from influence that you find on the left, not on the right.

Read the entire transcript at the link, or watch it on Keith's page on MS-NBC.COM.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bamacre
Listen closely...

Topic Title: Olbermann tries to blame Libertarians for Jewish-hating murderer
Topic Summary: Just pathetic - goes completely on tangent to drag Ron Paul into the dirt

I call BULLSHIT! Read the transcript for the entire segment. Ron Paul's name is mentioned exactly ONCE, and neither Olbermann nor his guest, Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, say anything even close to suggesting that Paul or anyone actually associated with him supports or condones Von Brunn's actions. What Olbermann actually said was:

?Talking Points Memo? reports that Von Brunn switched his Web site domain on June 1st to a man who shares a phone number with a woman who was listed as a Michigan coordinator for former presidential candidate Ron Paul, who is at least nominally a Republican.

I call further BULLSHIT because, in the piece, Olbermann was careful NOT to suggest that all Republicans or all conservatives are violent whack jobs. His ONLY point is refuting Limbaugh's dumbass assertion that Von Brunn's rantings are closer to the left than anything from the right wingnuts like himself. What Limbaugh said:

This guy is a leftist, if anything. This guy?s beliefs, this guy?s hate stems from influence that you find on the left, not on the right.

Read the entire transcript at the link, or watch it on Keith's page on MS-NBC.COM.

I gave a link to the entire interview in the OP.

There was absolutely ZERO reason to even mention Ron Paul's name, even if just once.

 

[Craig234]

What the segment makes clear again is what an utter liar Limbaugh is.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Craig234
What the segment makes clear again is what an utter liar Limbaugh is.

I can agree with that.

But you surely don't have to dishonestly smear Ron Paul to prove it.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Harvey
I call BULLSHIT! Read the transcript for the entire segment. Ron Paul's name is mentioned exactly ONCE...

Yes, and he used a rather tenuous connection to do so.

Originally posted by: HarveyI call further BULLSHIT because, in the piece, Olbermann was careful NOT to suggest that all Republicans or all conservatives are violent whack jobs.

Nor did anyone make such a claim.

 

[bamacre]

In addition to Mises, other leading Austrian economists, who opposed income taxes and central banking, Friedrich Hayek and Murry Rothbard were also both Jewish.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Harvey

Read the entire transcript at the link, or watch it on Keith's page on MS-NBC.COM.

I gave a link to the entire interview in the OP.

No, you didn't. The entire discussion about Von Brunn starts with the previous segment with Mark Potok from the Southern Poverty Law Center, and it's important if you want to understand Olbermann's position on the issue, instead of going off on a half cocked, and more importanly, WRONG tangent.

There was absolutely ZERO reason to even mention Ron Paul's name, even if just once.

Your entire take on his meaning is BULLSHIT. That's exactly why I quoted what Olbermann said AND included links to the entire piece for context, instead of your cryptic "listen closely" followed by your completely BOGUS, convoluted mis-interpretation of his words.

I smell faux outrage. :roll:

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Craig234
What the segment makes clear again is what an utter liar Limbaugh is.

I can agree with that.

But you surely don't have to dishonestly smear Ron Paul to prove it.

I don't think he did (neither smear nor dishonestly); I think you are being overly sensitive about the mention of Paul's name in the way it was mentioned.

If I thought Paul was smeared, regardless of my disagreeing with Paul, I'd say so. He simply described who someone was, and that description includes a relationship to Paul.

The context at most was his simply pointing out how the person was not the liberal Limbaugh said, and so the slight connection to Paul was supportive of that.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey
I smell faux outrage. :roll:

:laugh:

The link in the OP was 9 min's long, I thought it was the entire interview, at least with Robinson.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: bamacre
The link in the OP was 9 min's long, I thought it was the entire interview, at least with Robinson.

The video is 9 minutes and 11 seconds, obviously a conspiracy.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: bamacre

:laugh:

The link in the OP was 9 min's long, I thought it was the entire interview, at least with Robinson.

As of yesterday, the issue was hot enough that he gave it more time and coverage. The amount of time devoted to Ron Paul's name was limited to a noting that another site had mentioned some convoluted, iextraneous relationship to Von Brunn's webhost and the phone number of Paul's Michigan campaign coordinator.

That's a long way from triying "to blame Libertarians for Jewish-hating murderer," let alone blaming it on Paul, himself.

Unless you say different, I'll take it from your post that we've got that straightened out, now. At least, I hope so. :beer:

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bamacre

:laugh:

The link in the OP was 9 min's long, I thought it was the entire interview, at least with Robinson.

As of yesterday, the issue was hot enough that he gave it more time and coverage. The amount of time devoted to Ron Paul's name was limited to a noting that another site had mentioned some convoluted, iextraneous relationship to Von Brunn's webhost and the phone number of Paul's Michigan campaign coordinator.

That's a long way from triying "to blame Libertarians for Jewish-hating murderer," let alone blaming it on Paul, himself.

Unless you say different, I'll take it from your post that we've got that straightened out, now. At least, I hope so. :beer:

I do see what you are saying, that Olbermann was trying to counter-attack Bozo's suggestion that Brunn and Co. were left-wingers.

But I fail to see why he needs to drag Ron Paul into this mess to achieve that easy goal.

And I also fail to see why Robinson brings Austrian economics into the discussion. While people like myself may understand that he's just totally ignorant of facts, he makes a suggestion that those ideas are tied to the radicalism of people like Brunn, while as I have shown, that is entirely not the case. The fact that Mises who was a strong proponent of those economic idea was Jewish, and escaped the Nazi regime in Europe really shows that he has no idea what he's talking about. And thus, anyone else who listened to this segment who isn't educated to those facts, is now misled by the same media that is supposed to inform them. Kinda like people who watched Fox News while Bush was in charge.

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
What a sick bastard. How can you even dare to make something like a tool to further your political agenda?

Are you talking about Rush Limbaugh? This segment was a response to statement's Rush made in his radio show... and you know how MSNBC is with Rush. As the clip shows, Rush was clearly claiming Brunn was some sort of raging liberal. Both Olbermann and Limbaugh are political hacks but in this scenario he's responding to claims, I wouldn't give him a pass on bringing Ron Paul into this but at the same time would say he's somewhat justified at swinging the stick back around. And he wasn't swing at Libertarian Party but instead the Republican Party, notice he pointed out that Ron Paul is "at least nominally a Reublic".

The two pundits each even took a step back to note that this wasn't representative of the typical Republican:

Olbermann:
"I, and, by the way, completely concur with you that there be no mistaking this man who do this for a rank-and-file republican and any impression would have said that is wrong."

Robinson:
"Look, nobody would claim that he was a mainstream republican who would show up at the convention or something like that, or work precincts for a candidate."

Now, why didn't they say it had nothing to do with the Republican party at all?

Olbermann:
"What Von Brunn seems to have picked up - not so much the political positions, pro guns or whatever - but the overall tenor, that urgency to it. The right wing suggestion that these are anvils upon which something essential about America will live or die depending upon what you personally do."

Robinson:
"In these cases you get the sense of people feeling there's an urgent danger of losing America."

Because the fringe of the right is absolutely nuts and the rest of the party can't seem to disown them. When the Republicans engage in debate routinely play with fire when choosing their words. Unamerican? Communist? Those are terms that resonate very deeply with some and carry a very instigative undertone.

And it goes further, as Eugene Robinson says basically these people "believe in an America that never was..."

You have to wonder what he was thinking.

And if his views are not vigorously opposed they will help create a danger as great as that posed by the Nazis to the Jewish people.

You also have to wonder what he is thinking...
I read some of this. Maybe if I'm feeling to good about the overall future prospects of humanity later on tonight I can bring myself to read the rest. You know, wouldn't want to get my hopes up or anything.


...and did anyone else notice Brunn was a Freeper?

Excuse me while I take a shower, I feel dirty after defending Olbermann somehow.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Rhonda the Sly
Now, why didn't they say it had nothing to do with the Republican party at all?

Because it does have to do with the incitement which prominent Republicans like Limbaugh and many of the talking heads on Fox News spew. Not that I have ever seen them disparage Jews, but to any Protocols studying nutcase calling Obama a communist is no different than calling him a lackey for "the Jews". It is dissapointing to see Olbermann and his guest barking up the tree of libertarianism instead of addressing such facts.

Furthermore, the same issue applies even more so to the murder of Dr. Tiller. Right-wing pundits, instead of holding reasonable discussion over differences in opinion on abortion laws, insistently branded as a murderer and whined about how our laws allow him to operate. As far as I am concerned, that is right up there with shouting fire in a crowded theater.

 

[Double Trouble]

Look, lets face it, Olbermann is the lefty fringe equivalent to that blowhard Rush, except without any ratings. Nobody should bother listening to what either one of them have to say.....

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Look, lets face it, Olbermann is the lefty fringe equivalent to that blowhard Rush, except without any ratings. Nobody should bother listening to what either one of them have to say.....

Perhaps he is in Rush's league.

I did at times enjoy his rants against Bush. But now that Obama is in charge, the hypocrisy shines through.

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Look, lets face it, Olbermann is the lefty fringe equivalent to that blowhard Rush, except without any ratings. Nobody should bother listening to what either one of them have to say.....

Perhaps he is in Rush's league.

I did at times enjoy his rants against Bush. But now that Obama is in charge, the hypocrisy shines through.

Some of the Bush and Palin rants were pretty funny, but really this whole "See he was a lefty.." "No no no, he's a righty, can't trust them..." bullshit is rather disgusting.

The guy was an evil hate filled deranged bastard. Full stop.
A hate filled bastard who happened to focus on R wing themes.
There are L wing extremists who burn down homes and hummer dealerships and the like.

Point is, trying to say a murderer is a model Rep or Dem is rather disgusting. Rush tried to do it, and Olb is doing it back. Everyone looks pathetic.

 

[lupi]

what, you're just now learning this about olberman? what's next, learning that harvey is a partisan leftist?

 

[dahunan]

unless you are a retarded GENTILE .. you know the JEWISH ultra Jesus hating lobby controls the USA and YOUR Military

Who benefited the most from attacking Iraq??? ISRAEL

What heinz 57 ethnic group made up the majority of PNAC.. JEWS... what did PNAC espouse?? USA dead soldiers for the benefit of USA and Israel Hegemony

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Harvey
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