Oklahoma Supreme Court orders Ten Commandments removed from Capitol

[Zorkorist]

You got a problem with that?

-John

 

[Victorian Gray]

Me.

-John

And the world cares why?

 

[Zorkorist]

I care.

Other people care.

Sometimes we care.

Sometimes lots of people care.

-John

 

[nickqt]

Because now you have devolved into the state, and pre graduates, that will say, "what if four people and a dog got married."

It's stupid, illogical, etc.

Government has nothing to do with Marriage.

-John

Here in the United States, government defines marriage.

Yes, I know you prefer Somalia to the United States, but it doesn't change the fact that here in observable reality, the United States government defines marriage.

Religion does not define marriage. That is to say, I can go find a very religious person, or a priest, and I can get them to say super-y duper-y magical conjuring words about marriage, but it doesn't mean a thing, until evul gub'mint recognizes the marriage with a SECULAR certificate.

Again, you're clearly insane, but we're talking about observable reality that the rest of us live in. Observable reality where you need a certificate given by evul gub'mint that says the marriage exists, otherwise, well...the marriage doesn't exist.

This means that, in fact, government has everything to do with marriage.

Literally no one gives one shit whether or not Pastor Dan down the street officiated a marriage last week, unless there is a f-ing secular permit for a marriage, issued by evul gub'mint.

Of course, this only applies to us living here in observable reality. What goes on in the delusional plane where you live is irrelevant. At least for those of us living here in observable reality.

 

[sandorski]

Religion defines Marriage

1) Catholic - Will not Marry non-Catholics
2) Protestant - Will not Marry non-Christians
3) Muslim - Will not Marry non-Muslims

No one can Marry.

 

[brycejones]

I care.

Other people care.

Sometimes we care.

Sometimes lots of people care.

-John

Seems like John finally passed out from his latest bender. It appears to be happening more often I hope you find your way to an AA meeting soon.

 

[Meghan54]

Here in the United States, government defines marriage.

Yes, I know you prefer Somalia to the United States, but it doesn't change the fact that here in observable reality, the United States government defines marriage.

Religion does not define marriage. That is to say, I can go find a very religious person, or a priest, and I can get them to say super-y duper-y magical conjuring words about marriage, but it doesn't mean a thing, until evul gub'mint recognizes the marriage with a SECULAR certificate.

Again, you're clearly insane, but we're talking about observable reality that the rest of us live in. Observable reality where you need a certificate given by evul gub'mint that says the marriage exists, otherwise, well...the marriage doesn't exist.

This means that, in fact, government has everything to do with marriage.

Literally no one gives one shit whether or not Pastor Dan down the street officiated a marriage last week, unless there is a f-ing secular permit for a marriage, issued by evul gub'mint.

Of course, this only applies to us living here in observable reality. What goes on in the delusional plane where you live is irrelevant. At least for those of us living here in observable reality.

You left out the part that those priests/rabbis/ministers have to be licensed by whatever state they're in to perform legal marriages. Without the state license, any "marriage" they perform is illegal. The state controls marriage, not religion.

 

[BurnItDwn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE8ooMBIyC8

Ahh I love Carlin. He might be dead, but he will forever be remembered.

 

[Zorkorist]

You left out the part that those priests/rabbis/ministers have to be licensed by whatever state they're in to perform legal marriages. Without the state license, any "marriage" they perform is illegal. The state controls marriage, not religion.

The state controls everything, is the entire point. The state controls whether people can get married and who can marry them.

When Marriage is by definition a Religous institution.

The state is injecting itself into Religion, presenting itself as a Religion, in it's ever expanding quest for power.

-John

 

[Victorian Gray]

The state controls everything, is the entire point. The state controls whether people can get married and who can marry them.

When Marriage is by definition a Religous institution.

The state is injecting itself into Religion, presenting itself as a Religion, in it's ever expanding quest for power.

-John

You can keep saying that but it doesn't make it true.

 

[Zorkorist]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage#History_of_marriage

-John

 

[Victorian Gray]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage#History_of_marriage

-John

From the 1st paragraph of the wiki page:

"Marriage, also called matrimony or wedlock, is a socially or ritually recognized union or legal contract between spouses that establishes rights and obligations between them, between them and their children, and between them and their in-laws.[1] The definition of marriage varies according to different cultures, but it is principally an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually sexual, are acknowledged. In some cultures, marriage is recommended or considered to be compulsory before pursuing any sexual activity. When defined broadly, marriage is considered a cultural universal."

 

[Zorkorist]

I linked the history of marriage, which clearly shows it as a religous ceremony.

Of course today it has been/is being taken over by the new popular religion,

Government.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

As a Religous Ceremony, the Government should be prevented from ruling on it, due to the 1st amendment, and that

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

-John

 

[Victorian Gray]

I linked the history of marriage, which clearly shows it as a religous ceremony.

Of course today it has been/is being taken over by the new popular religion,

Government.

-John

You're wrong.

 

[Zorkorist]

Ya think?

-John

 

[nickqt]

As a Religous Ceremony, the Government should be prevented from ruling on it, due to the 1st amendment, and that

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

-John

I know you see an evul gub'mint lurking in every shadow, and under every bed, but try to stay with me without feinting.

If you would like to go have Pastor Dan from down the street marry you and many other women (as allowed by the Old and New Testament), then go for it! Or just marry one women. Or one man. Or whatever you want.

No one will stop you!

That is the first amendment at work!

The problem arises when you try to get evul secular gub'mint to recognize said marriage. Now, I realize you don't recognize evil secular gub'mint, because Freedom and Benghazi and whatnot, but let's continue nonetheless.

When you try to use your marriage by Pastor Dan to get particular secular benefits because of the marriage contract you've just entered into whether tax benefits, health benefits, rights of visitation in a hospital, inheritance benefits, etc, you're seeking recognition by...wait for it...evul secular gub'mint of secular rights and benefits.

If you want recognition by evul secular gub'mint for your marriage, then it is no longer a "religious" contract or institution. Because of that pesky first amendment and not respecting the establishment of religion and whatnot. In essence, evul secular gub'mint doesn't care whether or not you had Pastor Dan or Jessica Simpson marry you to your many wives (as allowed by the Old and New Testament). It wants to see the certificate you got from your local evul secular gub'mint recognizing...wait for it...a secular marriage contract.

Now, I have no problem with you going and getting married to 15 different women (as allowed by the Old and New Testament). Call up Pastor Dan and get 'er done! But if you want evul secular gub'mint to recognize your marriage contract, then you need to be sure to follow the law, which may or may not allow a marriage contract between you and more than one other party.

Me, personally, I love the first amendment, and I think it should be 100% legal and none of the gub'mints business whether you enter into a marriage contract with 15 different women (as allowed by the Old and New Testament). That said, whether or not the state wants to allow that is up to the state.

But...but...how hasn't gay marriage rights opened up the door to polygamy (allowed by the Old and New Testament). Well, because the courts are relatively conservative, I can imagine them finding distinguishing factors, such as the fact that marriage has only been expanded to allow any one person to marry any one other person, regardless of gender, whereas there exists zero jurisdictions in the US that allows a marriage contract to include more than 2 people.

Will this change in the future? Possibly! And to be honest, because every other marriage contract in the universe doesn't involve me in any meaningful way, I couldn't care less if marriage contracts were expanded to include more than 2 individuals.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The state controls everything, is the entire point. The state controls whether people can get married and who can marry them.

When Marriage is by definition a Religous institution.

The state is injecting itself into Religion, presenting itself as a Religion, in it's ever expanding quest for power.

-John

People have been having some kind of marriage ceremony for 4,000-5,000 years. I guess you could say it was religious in nature but its core has always been trust or a contract. I'll provide & you care for kids. Why is everyone so obsessed with the marriage ceremony?

 

[Zorkorist]

All you're doing and all that is being achieved here is that there is a new "protected class" called "Gay Marriage."

It forwards nothing as far as individual rights, but only forwards rights by the Government to the individuals labeled "gay."

Government wins every time it can discriminate, and say "Gays are special," versus when all the citizens exercise their rights to "freedom."

Everyone has a right to marry whomever they fuck.

Government, is the one that is saying, a can marry b, but not c.

It used to be that Government had nothing to do with marriage, beyond serving as administration, recording of the deed, etc.

Today, there are tax implications, visit your partner in a hospital implications, etc., all established by the Religion of Government.

-John

 

[Victorian Gray]

Ya think?

-John

I know.

 

[soulcougher73]

Conservitards never cease to amaze me. Just when you think they cant get any dumber.

 

[werepossum]

All you're doing and all that is being achieved here is that there is a new "protected class" called "Gay Marriage."

It forwards nothing as far as individual rights, but only forwards rights by the Government to the individuals labeled "gay."

Government wins every time it can discriminate, and say "Gays are special," versus when all the citizens exercise their rights to "freedom."

Everyone has a right to marry whomever they fuck.

Government, is the one that is saying, a can marry b, but not c.

It used to be that Government had nothing to do with marriage, beyond serving as administration, recording of the deed, etc.

Today, there are tax implications, visit your partner in a hospital implications, etc., all established by the Religion of Government.

-John

You missed the point of the ruling: SCOTUS said gays are NOT special and thus should be treated like everyone else, with their choice of spouse limited only by competency, age, and consanguinity. This is a great ruling for everyone even if you care nothing for equity or basic fairness - next time it might be your ox that government singles out for goring.

 

[Zorkorist]

They already had the right to marry.

This ruling only gives them a new "protected class" status under Government.

They need this because Government demands it, to qualify for Government services.

Now, everyone, has to go the extra bar to get Government services.

We can't all have rights, no. We have to have "special" rights.

-John

 

[Dude111]

They needs to vote them liburl Jesus hating judges off the bench there in Oklahomie. Next they will be forcing everyone to get gay married.

They might be doing this to try and STOP PPL FROM HAVING BABIES! (Same sex marriages will accomplish that)

 

[brycejones]

They already had the right to marry.

This ruling only gives them a new "protected class" status under Government.

They need this because Government demands it, to qualify for Government services.

Now, everyone, has to go the extra bar to get Government services.

We can't all have rights, no. We have to have "special" rights.

-John

You post the cutest drivel when you've been drinking. Since its only been a couple of days since your last bender its probably time to get to an AA meeting.