Originally posted by: 6000SUX
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: 6000SUX
I wonder, is there a country which has never executed criminals? I see that Canada used to have one, before it was abolished.
Yeah, countries tended to have all executed folks until they join the civilised world at some point.
It's funny, though-- plenty of people in this country disagree with you. You can't call people uncivilized (fairly) just because they disagree with you. Torture, racial segregation, burning of books-- sadly enough, these have all been sponsored by highly civilized nations.
I have often enjoyed reading your opinions. Tell me, why is it that killing a criminal is wrong, if the majority opinion agrees that it is right? I'm not being sarcastic. I am really interested to know the reasons that killing a heinous criminal is wrong at a basic human level. I don't see how humanely and permanently removing someone who treats other human beings as prey is bad for society. We also don't have to worry about corrupting the morals of an individual; there are plenty of people willing to do the work. I'd do it.
Well for one its stupidly expensive just so someone can "get revenge", becasue that is all it is in the end, and also there are ways to rehabilitate people, granted sending them to jail for life will do nothing but make them worse, even if they are damaged folk who will always lust after children you can always isolate these folks and let them carry on their lives and be productive members, as far as murder, I think there may be some who are actually sick and do want to kill, but a lot of times its some guy desperate and poor, on drugs and outright jealous who make a unwise decision, it is a waste to kill someone for being a idiot in a heat of the moment thing, there are far more sane ways to handle mistakes.
We all make mistakes, some bigger then others, murderer is a touchy subject, in our society murder is ok if you are in a war but a big taboo at home, is a soldier who killed an enemy in battle broken for life? No, they come home to mostly come back to terms with what he had to do and moves on. People should be rehabilitated, the concept of punishment we have nowdays does nothing but cost us money and waste lives and is not even a good preventitive measure, if someone is going to do something stupid they have gone beyond all reasoning anyhow.
Mental hospitals, drug rehabs and education are the answer to our outdated ideas of "rehabilitation" in the prison system that everyone knows is a failure anyhow and is good at nothing but making more criminals and kills ones faith in justice anyhow.
I am not saying to coddle someone who makes a mistake but the way we do it now is pointless, the only reason people let it go on is becasue they want to live some fantasy that an eye for an eye actually solves anything in the long run but make more harm to a already bad situation.
Ths is a amazingly tough subject really, but the system we have now does not work.
Lock em up has done nothing but make us the biggest country of incarcirated people in the world, a freaking waste. What we have is a bunch of screwed up people for a myriad of reasons who need to be set back on the path of being a good citizen, the days of wild west are over with.
It pretty much comes down to not that all these people in a literal country of incareration are bad, but our "nuclear family" model is flawed, we have isolated oursleves from one another kids do not have the support and role models they need, people do not take mental health anywhere near as serious as physical, and our culture is pretty much based on insecurity on not living up to what one another thinks of us, it is a mess.
I think moonie would be a better spokesperson for the whole insecurity and self-loathing people in this country feel rather than I. He has that aspect down good.
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