OK to the Extreme Right. the BIBLE Clearly says REMEMBER THE sabbath day to keep it holy.

[PlatinumGold]

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:



YTF do you worship on Sunday?? Don't give me this Oh Jesus was resurrected on sunday bull, there is NO biblical evidence to support sunday as a day of worship.

If you are going to be a literalist FVCKING FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW OR SHUT THE FVCK UP.

oh, btw, for those of you "christians" that don't actually read the bible, i just quoted the 4th commandment. you know as in the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

so here's my real point.

do you have NO IDEA what kind of slippery slope a constitutional amendment banning gay marriages could do?? DO you have ANY IDEA what kind of precedent that will set??

Would you also support a constitutional amendment requiring EVERYONE TO WORSHIP ON SATURDAY?? after all there is CLEAR BIBLICAL support for it.

 

[Piano Man]

Woah, chill man.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Piano Man
Woah, chill man.

i'm just tired of all these bible quoting bigots that don't even know their bibles.

 

[conjur]

But...but....the week starts on Monday!

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Piano Man
Woah, chill man.

i'm just tired of all these bible quoting bigots that don't even know their bibles.

:beer:

 

[gsaldivar]

Consider switching to DECAF.

:beer:

 

[MovingTarget]

Not another one of these threads....sheesh....
Anyway, Most christians are not quite the "literalists" you speak of. Every passage of the bible is open to some interpretation because it has something to teach us. Some parts can be taken at face value, but many cannot. You have to keep in mind the time it was written for, the audience to which each passage was directed, and who the author/source was. In order to get the real message you have to keep all this in mind. You are oversimplifying in this instance. I don't really want to get into a debate over this and that wasn't what this thread was about, so I'll just answer your question.
WTF do we worship on sunday if the Third commandment says not to? Well, that day is the "day of the Lord". It is for him and him alone. Worship is very appropriate in that manner (keeping it "holy") and isn't considered "work" in that regard.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Not another one of these threads....sheesh....
Anyway, Most christians are not quite the "literalists" you speak of. Every passage of the bible is open to some interpretation because it has something to teach us. Some parts can be taken at face value, but many cannot. You have to keep in mind the time it was written for, the audience to which each passage was directed, and who the author/source was. In order to get the real message you have to keep all this in mind. You are oversimplifying in this instance. I don't really want to get into a debate over this and that wasn't what this thread was about, so I'll just answer your question.
WTF do we worship on sunday if the Third commandment says not to? Well, that day is the "day of the Lord". It is for him and him alone. Worship is very appropriate in that manner (keeping it "holy") and isn't considered "work" in that regard.

btw, it was the 4th commandment and not the 3rd.

and where in the bible does it say "day of the lord"??

it just doesn't exist except in the imagination of protestants. most catholics will tell you that the day of worship was changed on the word of the Pope which for them is good enough, but what exactly does it say about protestants?

 

[0roo0roo]

its always fun to pick and choose what to take literally

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Not another one of these threads....sheesh....
Anyway, Most christians are not quite the "literalists" you speak of. Every passage of the bible is open to some interpretation because it has something to teach us. Some parts can be taken at face value, but many cannot. You have to keep in mind the time it was written for, the audience to which each passage was directed, and who the author/source was. In order to get the real message you have to keep all this in mind. You are oversimplifying in this instance. I don't really want to get into a debate over this and that wasn't what this thread was about, so I'll just answer your question.
WTF do we worship on sunday if the Third commandment says not to? Well, that day is the "day of the Lord". It is for him and him alone. Worship is very appropriate in that manner (keeping it "holy") and isn't considered "work" in that regard.

btw, it was the 4th commandment and not the 3rd.

and where in the bible does it say "day of the lord"??

it just doesn't exist except in the imagination of protestants. most catholics will tell you that the day of worship was changed on the word of the Pope which for them is good enough, but what exactly does it say about protestants?

Its just a simplified way of explaining it. I wasn't trying to be technical in any sense. "Day of the Lord" was quoting a freind of mine, and not the bible. And yes, you are correct in that it was the fourth. But it still doesn't change what I was saying on the issue.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Not another one of these threads....sheesh....
Anyway, Most christians are not quite the "literalists" you speak of. Every passage of the bible is open to some interpretation because it has something to teach us. Some parts can be taken at face value, but many cannot. You have to keep in mind the time it was written for, the audience to which each passage was directed, and who the author/source was. In order to get the real message you have to keep all this in mind. You are oversimplifying in this instance. I don't really want to get into a debate over this and that wasn't what this thread was about, so I'll just answer your question.
WTF do we worship on sunday if the Third commandment says not to? Well, that day is the "day of the Lord". It is for him and him alone. Worship is very appropriate in that manner (keeping it "holy") and isn't considered "work" in that regard.

btw, it was the 4th commandment and not the 3rd.

and where in the bible does it say "day of the lord"??

it just doesn't exist except in the imagination of protestants. most catholics will tell you that the day of worship was changed on the word of the Pope which for them is good enough, but what exactly does it say about protestants?

Its just a simplified way of explaining it. I wasn't trying to be technical in any sense. "Day of the Lord" was quoting a freind of mine, and not the bible. And yes, you are correct in that it was the fourth. But it still doesn't change what I was saying on the issue.

and it doesn't answer the question.

"day of the lord" is commonly used by protestants because it gives it the sound of biblical support. no such support exists,

so why is it that you can arbitrarely select a day of the week to worship god DESPITE what the 10 commandments have CLEARLY stated and yet, you find it in your hearts to condemn 7% of the population on some arbitrary scriptures??

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:



YTF do you worship on Sunday?? Don't give me this Oh Jesus was resurrected on sunday bull, there is NO biblical evidence to support sunday as a day of worship.

If you are going to be a literalist FVCKING FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW OR SHUT THE FVCK UP.

oh, btw, for those of you "christians" that don't actually read the bible, i just quoted the 4th commandment. you know as in the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

so here's my real point.

do you have NO IDEA what kind of slippery slope a constitutional amendment banning gay marriages could do?? DO you have ANY IDEA what kind of precedent that will set??

Would you also support a constitutional amendment requiring EVERYONE TO WORSHIP ON SATURDAY?? after all there is CLEAR BIBLICAL support for it.

actually those under the new covenant are not under the old covenant or old covenant law.(that is why it is after all a "new" covenant)

as far as the "slippery slope" i do not see it. many people feel a marriage certificate is merely a piece of paper(which it is), so why is it such a big deal? or is there some other motivation behind the gay marriage debate?

as far supporting a law requiring people to worship on saturday, i would not support it as the law of moses is not the law of the new covenant, the law of christ is...and no specific day is mentioned there.

Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:



YTF do you worship on Sunday?? Don't give me this Oh Jesus was resurrected on sunday bull, there is NO biblical evidence to support sunday as a day of worship.

If you are going to be a literalist FVCKING FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW OR SHUT THE FVCK UP.

oh, btw, for those of you "christians" that don't actually read the bible, i just quoted the 4th commandment. you know as in the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

so here's my real point.

do you have NO IDEA what kind of slippery slope a constitutional amendment banning gay marriages could do?? DO you have ANY IDEA what kind of precedent that will set??

Would you also support a constitutional amendment requiring EVERYONE TO WORSHIP ON SATURDAY?? after all there is CLEAR BIBLICAL support for it.

actually those under the new covenant are not under the old covenant or old covenant law.(that is why it is after all a "new" covenant)

as far as the "slippery slope" i do not see it. many people feel a marriage certificate is merely a piece of paper(which it is), so why is it such a big deal? or is there some other motivation behind the gay marriage debate?

as far supporting a law requiring people to worship on saturday, i would not support it as the law of moses is not the law of the new covenant, the law of christ is...and no specific day is mentioned there.

Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

hehehe

wondered when this would come up.

most theologians agree that the law being released here is not THE law as in 10 commandments but the ceremonial law of Moses and Leviticus.

History shows us that the early church worshiped on Sabbath as was the jewish tradition (because after all most early christians were jews). HOWEVER as constantine became converted he instituted Sunday (day of the sun, a day of ceremony for the pagans) to make christianity more palatable to these pagans. for decades both days of worship were celebrated, saturday an austere solemn day of worship and Sunday a joyous day of feasting.

as is the human wont, the austere day was eventually forgotten and the day of the sun was chosen.

BUT, it still doesn't answer the question of why you worship on sunday??

as to your it's just a slip of paper response, IF IT IS JUST A SLIP OF PAPER, why do you object to gays getting it??

i suspect you are the one with ulterior motives.

 

[maluckey]

What is "keeping the Sabbath Holy"?

Explain what "holy" is. I can think of a few things that are UN-holy, and generally avoid them. does this mean that I keep the Sabbath Holy?

All sarcasm aside, The Old Testament is a guide for the Jews. The Christians beleive in Joshua Bar Joseph as the Messiah (Christ), and as the New and Everlasting Covenant. Some of the Old Covenant practices were ignored by the newly formed Christians, and some thrown out altogether. Although Paul (Saul) was clear that one shouldn't avoid religious gatherings, he did not go as far as to say that you must go to church. He also did not condone blind following of the Old Testament. Admittedly he was just one of many early Christians, but his writings are the most prominent in the New Testament.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Not another one of these threads....sheesh....
Anyway, Most christians are not quite the "literalists" you speak of. Every passage of the bible is open to some interpretation because it has something to teach us. Some parts can be taken at face value, but many cannot. You have to keep in mind the time it was written for, the audience to which each passage was directed, and who the author/source was. In order to get the real message you have to keep all this in mind. You are oversimplifying in this instance. I don't really want to get into a debate over this and that wasn't what this thread was about, so I'll just answer your question.
WTF do we worship on sunday if the Third commandment says not to? Well, that day is the "day of the Lord". It is for him and him alone. Worship is very appropriate in that manner (keeping it "holy") and isn't considered "work" in that regard.

btw, it was the 4th commandment and not the 3rd.

and where in the bible does it say "day of the lord"??

it just doesn't exist except in the imagination of protestants. most catholics will tell you that the day of worship was changed on the word of the Pope which for them is good enough, but what exactly does it say about protestants?

Its just a simplified way of explaining it. I wasn't trying to be technical in any sense. "Day of the Lord" was quoting a freind of mine, and not the bible. And yes, you are correct in that it was the fourth. But it still doesn't change what I was saying on the issue.

and it doesn't answer the question.

"day of the lord" is commonly used by protestants because it gives it the sound of biblical support. no such support exists,

so why is it that you can arbitrarely select a day of the week to worship god DESPITE what the 10 commandments have CLEARLY stated and yet, you find it in your hearts to condemn 7% of the population on some arbitrary scriptures??

Technically we can worship on any day of the week. There is nothing to prevent that. We are supposed to "remember the sabbath day...keep it holy". We are not supposed to "labour, and do all thy work". Worship != work. Thats what I was getting at. If Christians want to worship on sunday or "arbitrarily" set that as one of their days of worship, then there is nothing in that commandment that prevents that. That day belongs to God, so why not honor him? Certainly seems like a good way to "keep it holy" by common sense standards...
And if you are reffering to "7% of the population" as homosexuals in relation to the gay marriage issue, then this thread is pure flaimbait. We have umpteen other threads to bring that issue up in.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: maluckey
What is "keeping the Sabbath Holy"?

Explain what "holy" is. I can think of a few things that are UN-holy, and generally avoid them. does this mean that I keep the Sabbath Holy?

All sarcasm aside, The Old Testament is a guide for the Jews. The Christians beleive in Joshua Bar Joseph as the Messiah (Christ), and as the New and Everlasting Covenant. Some of the Old Covenant practices were ignored by the newly formed Christians, and some thrown out altogether. Although Paul (Saul) was clear that one shouldn't avoid religious gatherings, he did not go as far as to say that you must go to church. He also did not condone blind following of the Old Testament. Admittedly he was just one of many early Christians, but his writings are the most prominent in the New Testament.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

the law paul refers to IS the 10 commandments. the law WITHOUT the spirit was weak but jesus came to FULFUL the law NOT abolish it.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:



YTF do you worship on Sunday?? Don't give me this Oh Jesus was resurrected on sunday bull, there is NO biblical evidence to support sunday as a day of worship.

If you are going to be a literalist FVCKING FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW OR SHUT THE FVCK UP.

oh, btw, for those of you "christians" that don't actually read the bible, i just quoted the 4th commandment. you know as in the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

so here's my real point.

do you have NO IDEA what kind of slippery slope a constitutional amendment banning gay marriages could do?? DO you have ANY IDEA what kind of precedent that will set??

Would you also support a constitutional amendment requiring EVERYONE TO WORSHIP ON SATURDAY?? after all there is CLEAR BIBLICAL support for it.

actually those under the new covenant are not under the old covenant or old covenant law.(that is why it is after all a "new" covenant)

as far as the "slippery slope" i do not see it. many people feel a marriage certificate is merely a piece of paper(which it is), so why is it such a big deal? or is there some other motivation behind the gay marriage debate?

as far supporting a law requiring people to worship on saturday, i would not support it as the law of moses is not the law of the new covenant, the law of christ is...and no specific day is mentioned there.

Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

hehehe

wondered when this would come up.

most theologians agree that the law being released here is not THE law as in 10 commandments but the ceremonial law of Moses and Leviticus.

History shows us that the early church worshiped on Sabbath as was the jewish tradition (because after all most early christians were jews). HOWEVER as constantine became converted he instituted Sunday (day of the sun, a day of ceremony for the pagans) to make christianity more palatable to these pagans. for decades both days of worship were celebrated, saturday an austere solemn day of worship and Sunday a joyous day of feasting.

as is the human wont, the austere day was eventually forgotten and the day of the sun was chosen.

BUT, it still doesn't answer the question of why you worship on sunday??

as to your it's just a slip of paper response, IF IT IS JUST A SLIP OF PAPER, why do you object to gays getting it??

i suspect you are the one with ulterior motives.

actually one of the 10 commandments is givin as an example. i do not know who these "most theologians" are they must not have read that verse a bit further

romans 7:6-8
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet." But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead.[i/]

 

[dmcowen674]

Oh wow, we have two confirmed P & N priests in here now, aren't we special

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Piano Man
Woah, chill man.

i'm just tired of all these bible quoting bigots that don't even know their bibles.

i'm just tired of all these bible quoting bigots that don't even know their bibles.

I take offense to that....... I know my Bible it even has my name in it

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold


BUT, it still doesn't answer the question of why you worship on sunday??

as to your it's just a slip of paper response, IF IT IS JUST A SLIP OF PAPER, why do you object to gays getting it??

i suspect you are the one with ulterior motives.

ok i am home now so i can finish my post.

i worship everyday, not just sunday other have posted the pertenant scripture showing techically now everyday is a sabbath day. sunday is just tradition.

my objections to be quite honest are my personal opinion which i use my freedom of speech to voice just like anyone else. the US law could and most likely in the future will be used to force churches to perform gay marriages, and once the BS is sifted through most gay couples do not really care for the piece of paper(although i am sure some do), what this whole debate is all about is another platform for gays to promote their lifestyle.

as fars as my ulterior motive, what would that be? i am not interested in "forcing" my views through law on anyone else, but then again i do not want the reverse to happen either.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Oh wow, we have two confirmed P & N priests in here now, aren't we special

translation: "i have no meaningful reply, so instead i will make a sarcastic comment ridiculing other people for their beliefs"



suppertime then time for some gaming, cya later

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold


BUT, it still doesn't answer the question of why you worship on sunday??

as to your it's just a slip of paper response, IF IT IS JUST A SLIP OF PAPER, why do you object to gays getting it??

i suspect you are the one with ulterior motives.

ok i am home now so i can finish my post.

i worship everyday, not just sunday other have posted the pertenant scripture showing techically now everyday is a sabbath day. sunday is just tradition.

my objections to be quite honest are my personal opinion which i use my freedom of speech to voice just like anyone else. the US law could and most likely in the future will be used to force churches to perform gay marriages, and once the BS is sifted through most gay couples do not really care for the piece of paper(although i am sure some do), what this whole debate is all about is another platform for gays to promote their lifestyle.

as fars as my ulterior motive, what would that be? i am not interested in "forcing" my views through law on anyone else, but then again i do not want the reverse to happen either.

i have NEVER and will NEVER support the US govt FORCING churches to marry gay people. i do however object to a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT banning GAY marriages such as we've seen in SF and other cities lately.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Matthew 12:9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue: 10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. 11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? 12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. 13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.

 

[fjord]

The old testament = The Torah = The 5 books of Moses (including Leviticus). That is to say, Sabbath is a purely Jewish habit.

All Gospel/accounts/tales/propaganda/legends after Christ were later tacked-on the the Torah (original-real-true Bible), presumably to give these later "gospel' weight and authority.

The Sabbath as a Catholic/Christian habit is a derivative appropriation (an oversight?), and fairly meaningless. Meaniningless, unless you happen to be Jewish.

The Torah = Jewish accounts/tales/propaganda/legends.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold


BUT, it still doesn't answer the question of why you worship on sunday??

as to your it's just a slip of paper response, IF IT IS JUST A SLIP OF PAPER, why do you object to gays getting it??

i suspect you are the one with ulterior motives.

ok i am home now so i can finish my post.

i worship everyday, not just sunday other have posted the pertenant scripture showing techically now everyday is a sabbath day. sunday is just tradition.

my objections to be quite honest are my personal opinion which i use my freedom of speech to voice just like anyone else. the US law could and most likely in the future will be used to force churches to perform gay marriages, and once the BS is sifted through most gay couples do not really care for the piece of paper(although i am sure some do), what this whole debate is all about is another platform for gays to promote their lifestyle.

as fars as my ulterior motive, what would that be? i am not interested in "forcing" my views through law on anyone else, but then again i do not want the reverse to happen either.

i have NEVER and will NEVER support the US govt FORCING churches to marry gay people. i do however object to a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT banning GAY marriages such as we've seen in SF and other cities lately.

many people would not consciously, but many would on the federal level. i personally think it should be settled on the state/local level, much like religious monuments. federal level genericism the whole country is forced to by the govt either way is bad, and a dangerous precedent such as you mentioned before.

the way i see it a marriage under US law applies to only the US. however it will not be recognized by God who is not answerable to the US govt.

besides, after death NO marriage AT ALL will exist in heaven. that type of earthly(two becoming one flesh) relationship will be endered obsolete.