Ok, this UAW recruting drive is going too far

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
UAW will bring Ford/GM/Chrysler to their knees.

That's very prophetic of you. You're really going out on a limb there.

Is your next prediction that the Iraq war won't go smoothly?

 

[ElFenix]

problem with unions is that, once in place, they're a monopoly, and, like any monopoly, grow fat and uncompetitive. once real alternatives to the monopoly were found (right to work southern states, mexico, china), they started losing customers.


why we've still got people turning bolts instead of robots i'll never know. a robot never has a bad day, never breaks up with his girlfriend, never gets mad at management and leaves something half-assed in order to 'get back,' never hungover, etc.


i really like how unions are pushing for public ballots in the US. it's led to the absurd result that certain democratic lawmakers are pushing mexico for secret union balloting (to protect the workers) while pushing for public ballots here (to let the union intimidate, ert, educate those who aren't aware of its benefits).



edit: these big unions seem a lot like conglomerate companies. what does union management at an autoworkers union know about the gambling industry? other than the fact that they're probably mafia types and own stakes in casinos?

 

[jdoggg12]

This belongs in P&N, doesn't it?

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
Cheap overseas labor, escalating health costs and high gas prices will bring Ford/GM/Chrysler to their knees.

There, now its accurate.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
UAW will bring Ford/GM/Chrysler to their knees.

That's very prophetic of you. You're really going out on a limb there.

Is your next prediction that the Iraq war won't go smoothly?

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
problem with unions is that, once in place, they're a monopoly, and, like any monopoly, grow fat and uncompetitive. once real alternatives to the monopoly were found (right to work southern states, mexico, china), they started losing customers.


why we've still got people turning bolts instead of robots i'll never know. a robot never has a bad day, never breaks up with his girlfriend, never gets mad at management and leaves something half-assed in order to 'get back,' never hungover, etc.


i really like how unions are pushing for public ballots in the US. it's led to the absurd result that certain democratic lawmakers are pushing mexico for secret union balloting (to protect the workers) while pushing for public ballots here (to let the union intimidate, ert, educate those who aren't aware of its benefits).



edit: these big unions seem a lot like conglomerate companies. what does union management at an autoworkers union know about the gambling industry? other than the fact that they're probably mafia types and own stakes in casinos?

Dude, robots commit suicide.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
All you who think the days when a union was needed are gone, are pretty short sighted. If all the unions disappeared tomorrow, MOST of you would quickly find your wages and benefits slashed, as often, the THREAT of a union or having to compete against businesses with union wages and benefits are what keep non-union wages and benefits higher than they'd be without unions around...

I don't agree with this at all. Industry sectors that do not typically have unions to compete with are not suffering from low wages and benefits. Instead, IMO, what would happen if unions disappeared, is wages would come down to more realistic levels in those industries that are unionized. Yes, they would most likely see reduced wages, but I'd be willing to bet those wages are more in line with what's appropriate, rather than slashed to minimum wage levels as you imply. Businesses still have to compete for, and entice, good employees regardless of whether they're unionized or not.

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: Scouzer

Originally posted by: Sraaz
imo, unions are garbage, tbqh...

Everyone on this forum thinks that.

Geeks, who sit behind a desk all day, fiddling around with computers, have no concept, and should therefore, STFU.

Really? I should STFU because I have a white collar job? It was the union that buried Crucible Steel and put my dad out of work in the 80's (yes, I know it wasn't the only reason steel mills shut down). Fvck that and fvck the unions.

FWIW, I've worked in the melt shop of a steel mill....have you?

Why yes, I currently do and it's a non union shop.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: Gillbot


Why yes, I currently do and it's a non union shop.

AK Steel?

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: Sraaz
If that was directed at me, I don't have a desk job

Edit: Was for compuwiz

Editx2: And seriously: Do you get paid for said job? Yes? Is it enough? Yes: Then STFU. No: Then fvcking leave.

Forgot to connect the sarcasm meter. This is a PAB thread, hence what I posted. Not directed at anyone.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: Scouzer

Originally posted by: Sraaz
imo, unions are garbage, tbqh...

Everyone on this forum thinks that.

Geeks, who sit behind a desk all day, fiddling around with computers, have no concept, and should therefore, STFU.

You know, that sentence didn't actually need commas.

EDIT: Of course, it wouldn't sound proper either way.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: jjones
I don't agree with this at all. Industry sectors that do not typically have unions to compete with are not suffering from low wages and benefits. Instead, IMO, what would happen if unions disappeared, is wages would come down to more realistic levels in those industries that are unionized. Yes, they would most likely see reduced wages, but I'd be willing to bet those wages are more in line with what's appropriate, rather than slashed to minimum wage levels as you imply. Businesses still have to compete for, and entice, good employees regardless of whether they're unionized or not.

That's not entirely true. Unions are like lawyers...sure, they're going way overboard right now, but if you eliminated them completely, things would start to go to crap. The only reason we have a workweek, overtime, lunch, breaks, workplace safety, and a lot of other stuff is because of the unions. Those things wouldn't disappear completely if the unions did, but they would slowly start to be eaten away. Competition for workers isn't nearly as fierce or, well, competitive as you seem to think. There are almost always more applicants than jobs at a given company.

I think unions should still be around, but they should take a more passive, monitoring role in the labor force. They should only step in and affect change in industries that really need the support. Are Atlantic City dealers being forced to work long hours for little pay? I seriously doubt it. Are they getting shafted on benefits? Somehow, I don't think so. Therefore, there is no reason for the union to represent them.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: jjones
Unions were good when management was abusing labor and labor didn't have government to stand up for their rights. That time has long passed and now all the union stands for is trying to get middle class wages for lower class earners; oh, and lining their own pockets.

Who decided that blue collar work is lower class, and when?

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: Gillbot


Why yes, I currently do and it's a non union shop.

AK Steel?

Nope, AK is still "union" even though they are locked out.