Ok my gf and I dont agree

[acid45]

Me and my gf have been arguing over the last few days.


Ive been telling her that crime and poverty go hand in hand.

She totaly disagrees.


Whos right!?


-Chris

 

[Tab]

Your girlfriend of course

 

[Legend]

poll

and yes they are linked.

But yeah, the gf is "right." Go have makeup sex. Now.

 

[Hacp]

Nope. Sometimes rich people steal too. BUT, people who are poor are more likely to commit crimes than people who aren't.

 

[slick230]

Crime is crime. But I think there is a difference in the type of crimes between those that live below the poverty line and those that live above it.

 

[acid45]

Does anyone have a LINK with some stats?

 

[Harvey]

Of course, they're linked. Having money doesn't stop people from being mean, greedy or stupid < cough - Enron >< cough > - Haliburton... but being too broke to provide basic survival necessities for yourself and your family sure ads more motives for crime.

 

[acid45]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Of course, they're linked. Having money doesn't stop people from being mean, greedy or stupid < cough - Enron < cough - Haliburton >, but being too broke to provide basic survival necessities for yourself and your family sure ads more motives for crime.

Ive told her this.... but she wont agree!!!!!!!

makes me mad! lol


-Chris

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: acid45
Does anyone have a LINK with some stats?

Poor people are convicted of more crimes than not-poor people.

There was a series of studies in the 80s (I think) that provided strong evidence that affluent teens commited as much crime as poor ones, but tended to commit those crimes in poor neighborhoods. Access to vehicles, and lack of recognition by neighbors meant they were caught at a much lower rate. I believe these were generally 'mischief' type crimes.

I promise that my report of the study is accurate, but interpret it as you like; there are plenty of reasons that it isn't possible to generalize from this sort of study to the entire population at large.

More importantly, your girlfreind is right. Apologize now.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: acid45
Ive told her this.... but she wont agree!!!!!!!

makes me mad! lol

You know what to do if she can't take a joke. If you're getting along otherwise, maybe you can still do it even if she can take the joke.

 

[glenn1]

Your g/f is correct. Morals trump money, always have and always will. Now if your position was that society tends to create laws which tend to criminalize behaviors far more typical of the poor than the rich you might be onto something.

 

[CQuinn]

Originally posted by: acid45

Ive told her this.... but she wont agree!!!!!!!

She won't agree that there is a link between some forms of crime, and the living
conditions of the people involved in those crimes? Or she won't agree that
crime and poverty go hand in hand as you claim above?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Poverty can breed crime and the chance may be greater.

However, neither requires the other.

 

[bamacre]

Yes. But only if crime is descibed as being caught comitting it. Otherwise no.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: glenn1
Your g/f is correct. Morals trump money, always have and always will.

I disagree. Cold, wet and hungry can trump morals, at least temporarily, for some otherwise very moral and ethical people.

It isn't nice, and it isn't pretty. It just is.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: glenn1
Your g/f is correct. Morals trump money, always have and always will.

I disagree. Cold, wet and hungry can trump morals, at least temporarily, for some otherwise very moral and ethical people.

It isn't nice, and it isn't pretty. It just is.

That would be true if food and drink were the most stolen goods.

 

[glenn1]

I disagree. Cold, wet and hungry can trump morals, at least temporarily, for some otherwise very moral and ethical people.

This isn't Victor Hugo's "Les Miserables" - we're a couple centuries past people being imprisoned for 19 years after stealing a loaf of bread to feed his sister's starving children. Here's today's Jean Valjean. Cold, wet, and hungry indeed.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: glenn1

I disagree. Cold, wet and hungry can trump morals, at least temporarily, for some otherwise very moral and ethical people.

This isn't Victor Hugo's "Les Miserables" - we're a couple centuries past people being imprisoned for 19 years after stealing a loaf of bread to feed his sister's starving children. Here's today's Jean Valjean. Cold, wet, and hungry indeed.

:roll:

Talk about racist, check out that site he linked too.

I saw a couple of chicken jokes in there...

Never really liked Virginians.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: glenn1

I disagree. Cold, wet and hungry can trump morals, at least temporarily, for some otherwise very moral and ethical people.

This isn't Victor Hugo's "Les Miserables" - we're a couple centuries past people being imprisoned for 19 years after stealing a loaf of bread to feed his sister's starving children. Here's today's Jean Valjean. Cold, wet, and hungry indeed.

:laugh:

 

[ntdz]

You are right, but don't try telling your gf that

 

[Stunt]

Why spend a few days arguing over this subject?!...

I can see a small discussion, but why does that even matter in your day to day life? Crime happens, People are poor; whether they are related is a moot point.

 

[tommywishbone]

The rich steal more than the poor, but the poor use a gun & a fist while the rich use a pen & a cell phone. Cops and the courts pick their fights and they know the difference in a tough prosecution and an easy one.

You are correct.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: bamacre
That would be true if food and drink were the most stolen goods.

Your logic is faulty for two reasons:

1. Needy people can steal lots of things they can later sell or exchange for food, clothing or shelter.

2. I didn't say all, or even "most" crimes. Ignoring all of those crimes NOT committed to meet basic needs, that still leaves those that ARE committed for that reason. Eliminating the need removes the motive.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bamacre
That would be true if food and drink were the most stolen goods.

Your logic is faulty for two reasons:

1. Needy people can steal lots of things they can later sell or exchange for food, clothing or shelter.

2. I didn't say all, or even "most" crimes. Ignoring all of those crimes NOT committed to meet basic needs, that still leaves those that ARE committed for that reason. Eliminating the need removes the motive.

You see, there is where I totally disagree. Considering that more than half of our prison inmates are so for drug reasons causes me to believe items are more likely to be stolen for drugs, not food and drink. Then you have tons of crime that people get away with, i.e., corporate crime, cocaine use, drinking and driving. Speeding.

People with more money are more likely to be more tempted, as they have a greater chance of getting off easy. Without regard to those actually caught and/or punished, I would think most crime is committed by middle and upper class society. Anyone can get food, there's a shelter or a soup kitchen, or food stamps. I chatted with a cab driver from Turkey once, and I remember him saying something to the like, "here in America, you have homeless people that weigh 240 lbs."

And for God's sake, in reference to what I bolded, you think the CEO of Enron needed a few more million?

 

[her209]

Politicians... need I say more?