OK Law makers move to ban AP history courses

[z1ggy]

http://news.yahoo.com/oklahoma-lawmakers-aim-halt-advanced-placement-history-course-192251182.html



OKLAHOMA CITY (Reuters) - Oklahoma lawmakers are trying to block funding for Advanced Placement U.S. history courses, saying the curriculum is not patriotic enough, as they aim to join others in halting a program designed to prepare top students for college.

A new framework for the course introduced in 2012 has sparked controversy. Cultural conservatives blast the changes they see as questioning American exceptionalism, while supporters say the course offers students a balanced way to analyze how American history has unfolded.

This week, a bill to cut funding for Advanced Placement U.S. History courses in the state passed an Oklahoma House committee along party lines, with 11 Republican voting for the measure and 4 Democrats opposed.

"We don't want our tax dollars going to a test that undermines our history," Dan Fisher, a Republican lawmaker who authored the bill, said during committee debate.

Nearly 4,000 colleges and universities allow those who meet a certain score on AP tests to be given college credit. The tests, which cover a wide array of subjects, are also seen as advancing academic achievement and can help those who qualify for AP courses to be looked on favorably by college admissions boards.

Opponents say the revised guidelines for the history course cast the United States in a harsh light by giving undue emphasis to topics such as slavery and the treatment of Native Americans, while distorting events such as the U.S. involvement in World War Two.

Last year, the Republican National Committee passed a resolution calling on the College Board, which administers the test, to revise the curriculum. The party said it sees the framework as a "radically revisionist view of American history that emphasizes negative aspects of our nation's history."

In September, the Texas State Board of Education, which is dominated by Republicans, requested the College Board to rewrite the AP U.S. history curriculum.

In Colorado, hundreds of students walked out of class to protest a move by conservative school board members proposed changing the U.S. history course.

Officials for the College Board said the framework, which has yet to be implemented, has the overwhelming support of AP U.S. History teachers and college-level U.S. history professors.

"This debate, and the resolution itself, has been marred by misinformation. The redesigned AP U.S. History course framework includes many inspiring examples of American exceptionalism," said Trevor Packer, a senior vice president for Advanced Placement and instruction.

 

[z1ggy]

LOL, not enough patriotism. God I am so glad I don't live there.

 

[HomerJS]

Rep. Fisher is also successfully navigating his bill – which would replace traditional AP U.S. History courses with a selection of religious sermons, the Ten Commandments, and several Ronald Reagan speeches – through the Oklahoma legislature. It passed committee along a party-line 11-4 vote this week, and is now headed for the full House.

That's some separation of church and state.

BTW - I assume he includes the speech Reagan made in Philadelphia Miss., just to make black people more comfortable.

 

[Genx87]

This might be the beginning of the end for these religious nutjobs. They are lashing out in an attempt to codify their beliefs before they cant anymore.

This is incredibly short sighted and does a disservice to their children.

 

[brycejones]

Dagnabit, we can't be having young minds learning that US history hasn't always been Mom and Apple Pie.

 

[sandorski]

Dogmatism leads to more Dogmatism. History is what Has happened, not what one wishes Had happened.

 

[oobydoobydoo]

I support this initiative! The best way we can help ourselves, is to keep Oklahomans in Oklahoma. Here in San Fran we remember the dark days when foul, disease ridden creatures made their way from Oklahoma in covered wagons... like Orcs through the mountains of Mordor... all the way to California. Never again.


By preventing Oklahomans from being educated, we can prevent them from leaving Oklahoma. This is good for everyone, and I suggest we add to the Oklahoma curriculum that the children be taught that the air outside of Oklahoma is poisonous and that they will die if they try to leave. This will prevent future generations from leaving Oklahoma.

 

[JackBurton]

I support this initiative! The best way we can help ourselves, is to keep Oklahomans in Oklahoma. Here in San Fran we remember the dark days when foul, disease ridden creatures made their way from Oklahoma in covered wagons... like Orcs through the mountains of Mordor... all the way to California. Never again.


By preventing Oklahomans from being educated, we can prevent them from leaving Oklahoma. This is good for everyone, and I suggest we add to the Oklahoma curriculum that the children be taught that the air outside of Oklahoma is poisonous and that they will die if they try to leave. This will prevent future generations from leaving Oklahoma.

You make excellent points.

 

[Brainonska511]

Dogmatism leads to more Dogmatism. History is what Has happened, not what one wishes Had happened.

If we believe hard enough, reality can be whatever we want. I know this, because that's what my gut says. #truthiness

 

[IronWing]

Dogmatism leads to more Dogmatism. History is what Has happened, not what one wishes Had happened.

Sadly, this isn't true. History is the stories we tell. If we tell lies, that is what becomes history. When historians dig for truth and facts contradict the lies we told, they are labeled "revisionists" and dismissed.

 

[Nograts]

What's the appeal of class walkouts as a form of protest? I mean... you already paid for the class right?



If my teacher were a babe I'd stay.... I've seen...movies... that start that way

 

[Linux23]

@oobydoobydoo LOL.

 

[CPA]

I'm a Republican and even think this is a little silly. What I want to know is why they are just focusing on the AP class. What's going on in the regular class that doesn't warrant the same focus? Are they being taught anything in that class?

 

[finglobes]

Not sure what the specific problems were in Oklahoma but the teaching of history in America is a dumpster fire. It was subverted my Marxist ideas a long time ago. You can see the open manifestations of the ideology in your radical university gender and race departments. Seems like every other class is Marx this critical theory (Marxist) that. I saw a young relatives history book and it was full of garbage about "patriarchy" and oppression - pretty much made America seem like the worst thing that ever happened (as Marxists are inclined to say). Now we have a president who came out of that camp and he's making excuses for ISIS. As Guliani said today "I do not believe that this president loves America". Subverted historiography has been a big problem. American exceptionalism is a fact since its first country founded on idea the people are sovereign - a reason they get gun rights (which of course the Marxists hate)

 

[z1ggy]

Not sure what the specific problems were in Oklahoma but the teaching of history in America is a dumpster fire. It was subverted my Marxist ideas a long time ago. You can see the open manifestations of the ideology in your radical university gender and race departments. Seems like every other class is Marx this critical theory (Marxist) that. I saw a young relatives history book and it was full of garbage about "patriarchy" and oppression - pretty much made America seem like the worst thing that ever happened (as Marxists are inclined to say). Now we have a president who came out of that camp and he's making excuses for ISIS. As Guliani said today "I do not believe that this president loves America". Subverted historiography has been a big problem. American exceptionalism is a fact since its first country founded on idea the people are sovereign - a reason they get gun rights (which of course the Marxists hate)

Only took 14 posts for somebody to come out and basically support this idea, and somehow bring ISIS into it, LOL.

Only in P&N folks, only in P&N

 

[shira]

Not sure what the specific problems were in Oklahoma but the teaching of history in America is a dumpster fire. It was subverted my Marxist ideas a long time ago. You can see the open manifestations of the ideology in your radical university gender and race departments. Seems like every other class is Marx this critical theory (Marxist) that. I saw a young relatives history book and it was full of garbage about "patriarchy" and oppression - pretty much made America seem like the worst thing that ever happened (as Marxists are inclined to say). Now we have a president who came out of that camp and he's making excuses for ISIS. As Guliani said today "I do not believe that this president loves America". Subverted historiography has been a big problem. American exceptionalism is a fact since its first country founded on idea the people are sovereign - a reason they get gun rights (which of course the Marxists hate)

What? You're telling us that there are bad Presidents? This isn't possible. All American Presidents are patriotic heros.

I think you need to revise your "history."

 

[waggy]

ugh. this is fucking idiotic.

though gotta say i'm not shocked. Not the first i heard of a school trying to cancel AP classes. first time i heard the excuse "they aren't patriotic enough". who makes that decision though? I thought patriotism was different for each person. not something you can force.

 

[brycejones]

mindless ranting

You need to put down the liquor bottle and get help. If you don't get help at Charter, please get help somewhere.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not sure what the specific problems were in Oklahoma but the teaching of history in America is a dumpster fire. It was subverted my Marxist ideas a long time ago. You can see the open manifestations of the ideology in your radical university gender and race departments. Seems like every other class is Marx this critical theory (Marxist) that. I saw a young relatives history book and it was full of garbage about "patriarchy" and oppression - pretty much made America seem like the worst thing that ever happened (as Marxists are inclined to say). Now we have a president who came out of that camp and he's making excuses for ISIS. As Guliani said today "I do not believe that this president loves America". Subverted historiography has been a big problem. American exceptionalism is a fact since its first country founded on idea the people are sovereign - a reason they get gun rights (which of course the Marxists hate)

You may have been dropped on your head as an infant. More likely you've merely absorbed way too much right wing propaganda.

The notion that Obama is making excuses for the Daesch while bombing the shit out of them is more than just a little bit absurd. It's straight out of the Twilight Zone.

That history book you saw? God forbid that you read any of it. It'd poison your precious bodily fluids.

 

[Jaepheth]

Patriotism is a poison; pride, a disease.

 

[IronWing]

. If you don't get help at Charter, please get help somewhere.

How many Kentuckians are on this forum anyway?

 

[Newell Steamer]

Don't like the way history sounds? Label it as un-patriotic. Problem solved.

Well, the problem is not that history is being reported accurately, it's that accurate historical accounts teach future generations to avoid the mistakes made by the people before us.

So, for someone wanting to 'sweep' an un-patriotic historical account under the rug, what they are really trying to do is wipe the board clean so they can redo what was done.

Land was taken from the Native Americans? Nu-uh, that's un-patriotic. Land was saved from the Native Americans.

So, when it comes time to take reservations away, we just point to the history books and say; "See, we saved most of the Americas from the Native Americans, we now need to save the remainder from ya'll. Hey, Tex, fire up the bulldozer,.. these condos aren't going to get built themselves!!"

It's shameful that accurate history is going to be ignored, under the guise of patriotism. Americans reinvented patriotism - we made it represent truth, justice and pride. There is no pride and justice in distorting the mistakes of the past,.. there is clearly no truth,.. so, this is not patriotic.

 

[piasabird]

I think I could support some more real history about America. America is suppose to be a melting pot so why not study the history of migration patterns of waves and waves of settlers who made America what it is today. Slavery is just one aspect of America. Historians cant even agree on the reasons for the civil war.

Native Americans are and were the hardest group of people to understand. It is not like tribes of natives just lived side by side peacefully till the Europeans showed up. They were actively killing each other all the time with no help from the white man.

 

[finglobes]

"The notion that Obama is making excuses for the Daesch while bombing the shit out of them is more than just a little bit absurd. It's straight out of the Twilight Zone."


What's out of the Twilight Zone is nutter Obama using IS events to attack Crusades and sending a bimbo out to blame IS on joblessness. Its clear to more people that Islam itself is the issue - as pointed out by former head of Defense Intelligence Agency recently said.


"You have to define your enemy, otherwise you can't defeat it," Flynn asserted in a recent interview. Who's the enemy? "They're definitely Muslims," he said. "Let's get off the dime and call it like it is — they are Islamic." So the terrorists aren't a bunch of heretics "hijacking" or "perverting" Islam? No, and saying so is "a mistake."

"I've dealt with these guys over the last 10 years," and their thinking and actions are "drawn from the Quran," he said, adding that we should never furnish detainees copies of the book they're using as a manual of warfare against us. "These are individuals deeply (devout) in the Sunni religion."

http://news.investors.com/ibd-edito...gy-to-defeat-islamofascists.htm#ixzz3SCgcVes0

 

[HomerJS]

"The notion that Obama is making excuses for the Daesch while bombing the shit out of them is more than just a little bit absurd. It's straight out of the Twilight Zone."


What's out of the Twilight Zone is nutter Obama using IS events to attack Crusades and sending a bimbo out to blame IS on joblessness. Its clear to more people that Islam itself is the issue - as pointed out by former head of Defense Intelligence Agency recently said.


"You have to define your enemy, otherwise you can't defeat it," Flynn asserted in a recent interview. Who's the enemy? "They're definitely Muslims," he said. "Let's get off the dime and call it like it is — they are Islamic." So the terrorists aren't a bunch of heretics "hijacking" or "perverting" Islam? No, and saying so is "a mistake."

"I've dealt with these guys over the last 10 years," and their thinking and actions are "drawn from the Quran," he said, adding that we should never furnish detainees copies of the book they're using as a manual of warfare against us. "These are individuals deeply (devout) in the Sunni religion."

http://news.investors.com/ibd-edito...gy-to-defeat-islamofascists.htm#ixzz3SCgcVes0

That's not what she said but why let a good talking point be usurped by facts.

The one thing we do know and the military has confirmed we cannot bomb/shoot ISIS and their affiliates into extinction. Its a complicated problem and righties are only capable of thinking in black v white.