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Ok guys lets call them as you see them

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luigi1

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First off im not a george fan boy, I tryed to vote against him in the last election (the sec of state of ohio had other ideas..and it wasnt just me) I'm not a fan of the conflict in Iraq (though I am a staunch supporter of our troops). And I think the responce to the last hurricane can only be described as a mongolian cluster f@@@. But to my eyes hes trying to be proactive to the destruction that is upon us. Can you drop your partisan retoric and see how it should of been. Lets all watch the news and see if this effort results in less loss of life. I dont see what anything he (we) can do to limit the loss of property. But human lives are at risk here. This is just a test its,its test of your vision. Its a test of your ability to see beyond party retoric. Respond if you care. Please ignore if you can only find fault. I prepose a trusism, Liberals see the world as shades of gray, conserrivates see the world as black and white. I am of liberal inclantion an I prepose I see an attempt to save lives and limit suffering. For political gain? No doubt but what isnt for political gain?
 
Dude, when he saw the sh!t he had to go through after Katrina you better believe he's off his behind this time around 🙂.
Besides, there aren't that many poor people in houston.
 
I believe that, more for political reasons than anything, that they have learned immense lessons from Katrina. I think that they have done a good job of putting people and resources in place and are ready to react as soon as the danger has passed. It is a shame that Katrina had to occur in the manner that it did for this type of response to happen. Cudos for Bush for learning the lesson quickly....I just don't believe that the reasons are as pure as the administration is going to spout.
 
Rita is already wreaking havoc. The escape routes are parking lots. Imagine being stuck on the highway starting at sunup tomorrow and have no way to get out.

This is nature's equivalent of strategic surprise.
 
Forsythe.. There aren't that many poor peaple in Houston?? Please provide links. The poor in this country are in every major city. There isnt any thing about New Orleans thats special ( well the voodo thing but thats a very small thing). Its below sea level (no fault if its own) And its in harms way ( but so is flordia and all of the gulf coast) And eastern seaboard as well (well to north carolina or so).
Right is Wrong.. no question. I agree
 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I believe that, more for political reasons than anything, that they have learned immense lessons from Katrina. I think that they have done a good job of putting people and resources in place and are ready to react as soon as the danger has passed. It is a shame that Katrina had to occur in the manner that it did for this type of response to happen. Cudos for Bush for learning the lesson quickly....I just don't believe that the reasons are as pure as the administration is going to spout.
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The Rove machine told him that he can't take another nap while his approval ratings are circling the drain. Amazing that it seemed to sink in (even if only a little) this time.
 
Trumphent.. ya why didnt they leave?? Now were seeing what happenes when a major city tryes to leave. They cant there isnt enough gas, there arent enought lanes on the superhiway. The excuse is kinda getting old about now dont you think?
 
If we knew that a dirty bomb would be droped in houston. If our intel gave us 72 hours of notice (does any one else think this is fantisy??) How would this be different?. You cant clear a major city in the US. The infraqstructire wont allow it. Of what use is the dept of homeland security given that fact except a black hole for taxpayers dollars?
 
Yesterday here in LA, we had a "spokesperson" from DHS on TV talking about.......... the Jet Blue plane landing at LAX with landing gear problems. Ya, he sure was earning his money. What a joke.
 
Originally posted by: luigi1
Trumphent.. ya why didnt they leave?? Now were seeing what happenes when a major city tryes to leave. They cant there isnt enough gas, there arent enought lanes on the superhiway. The excuse is kinda getting old about now dont you think?
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I am not excusing anyone's excuses. This was actually foreseen to be possible in South Florida if a similar evacuaton was to take place. That was revealed several years ago.

The Texas DOT had to have data predicting this. Florida studied it shortly after Andrew.

The best that can be hoped for now is for Rita to avoid the major metropolitan areas and come ashore between them.

The National Hurrican Center was predicting a more active season than normal. All season long, the storms and hurricanes formed quicker than ever before in history. Katrina hit New Orleans five days after the anniversary of Andrew. The season runs through the month of November which hasn't started yet.

Brown's tenure as director of FEMA is going to have ramifications for some time to come.

 
I guess we will have to see what the results are. I hope for the best. But in some sence I kinda whant to see the overview as well. I wonder what the savings in life and suffering will actually be. That some were spared, of course. It gets down to the same question as health insureance really, at what cost? I know thats a very cold way to look at it and I'd hope all will find shelter from the storm. Well as I said well have to see what the results are. But I wonder if our expectations arent greater than the possibility.
 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Dude, when he saw the sh!t he had to go through after Katrina you better believe he's off his behind this time around 🙂.
Besides, there aren't that many poor people in houston.
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You never been to Houston, have you? Thought not! It is as crappy and with the same demographic as any big city.

 
The vehicle evacuation in New Orleans went off without a hitch.

Only those that do not have vehicles in Orleans Parish had the problems.
 
You'd think given the recent US refusal to implement the Kyoto protocol, there might be a rethink happening... rather than trying to lay blame on people building flood defenses or evacuating people in the aftermath of extreme weather.

Obviously the issue of global climate change is an inexact science currently with many conflicting opinions... however you can't argue with the fact that big industry is altering the planet's ecosystem. An increase in carbon dioxide has been suggested as having links to increasing hurricane strength.
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~tk/glob_warm_hurr.html

Every effort should be made to minimise the effects of industry on the planet. No matter how bad the predictions are, there's likely to be more and more climate destabilisation.
Who cares if the theories about global warming are incorrect? The fact is that although the effects may be different to those predicted, they may still be devastating.
 
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Dude, when he saw the sh!t he had to go through after Katrina you better believe he's off his behind this time around 🙂.
Besides, there aren't that many poor people in houston.
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You never been to Houston, have you? Thought not! It is as crappy and with the same demographic as any big city.
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err..I have been there too and actually it is a lot more craptastic then many big cities.

Smog, flat and boring, hot and..texas...

And no its not overpouring with homeless but it has seedier parts downtown.

I would rather be in Pittsburg or something...
 
Originally posted by: Ant
You'd think given the recent US refusal to implement the Kyoto protocol, there might be a rethink happening... rather than trying to lay blame on people building flood defenses or evacuating people in the aftermath of extreme weather.

Obviously the issue of global climate change is an inexact science currently with many conflicting opinions... however you can't argue with the fact that big industry is altering the planet's ecosystem. An increase in carbon dioxide has been suggested as having links to increasing hurricane strength.
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~tk/glob_warm_hurr.html

Every effort should be made to minimise the effects of industry on the planet. No matter how bad the predictions are, there's likely to be more and more climate destabilisation.
Who cares if the theories about global warming are incorrect? The fact is that although the effects may be different to those predicted, they may still be devastating.
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Blah...didn't you get the memo? These hurricanes are a liberal plot to destroy America and to make the president look bad. There's NO SUCH THING as global warming!

😉
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The vehicle evacuation in New Orleans went off without a hitch.

Only those that do not have vehicles in Orleans Parish had the problems.
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How do you explain all those cars in the driveways of the flooded homes? Just curious.

 
Originally posted by: Ant
You'd think given the recent US refusal to implement the Kyoto protocol, there might be a rethink happening... rather than trying to lay blame on people building flood defenses or evacuating people in the aftermath of extreme weather.

Obviously the issue of global climate change is an inexact science currently with many conflicting opinions... however you can't argue with the fact that big industry is altering the planet's ecosystem. An increase in carbon dioxide has been suggested as having links to increasing hurricane strength.
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~tk/glob_warm_hurr.html

Every effort should be made to minimise the effects of industry on the planet. No matter how bad the predictions are, there's likely to be more and more climate destabilisation.
Who cares if the theories about global warming are incorrect? The fact is that although the effects may be different to those predicted, they may still be devastating.
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This debate went on and no here. The typical comments on each side. No proof, noway! Just a lot of superstitious paranoia on the left and no admission that America pretty much leads the world in enviormental change and that China and Russia, who are pretty much exempt, lead the world in environmental destruction. With that basis, who but a fool would agree to it? Oh, and a liberal tree hugger.

 
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The vehicle evacuation in New Orleans went off without a hitch.

Only those that do not have vehicles in Orleans Parish had the problems.
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How do you explain all those cars in the driveways of the flooded homes? Just curious.
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Many people only took one car with them. A friend of ours in the ninth ward actually left a brand one week old new 2006 Red Saturn in her driveway and he left his pick-up truck. The family all went in a Mini-Van.

They were only able to spot what was left of their property by seeing the top of the pick-up truck. The house and saturn washed away.
 
they have poor people in texas. but like jessie jackson said, they have a different class of poor people in new orleans.
 
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