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jediphx

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ok im purchasing a Abit NF7-S, some of my friends have said to get the 2600+ mobile because of the overclockability but some have said to get the 2500+ Barton because the mobile 2600+ is spec'ed to run at an FSB of 133/266 on. My current system is a Pally 1800+ XP so im not failiar at all with the newer chips. Can anyone please explain to me? Thx
 
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Renob

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Yes the mobile barton defaults to 133 FSB but they Overclock like crazy, If you have good ram you can bump that FSB well beyond 200/400 hands down get the 2600m
 
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mobile bartons default to 133fsb, but you can easily run them at 200fsb, and higher. They also run 1.45v by default, but the stock of a "normal" barton is 1.65. Many of us overclockers run them at 1.7v, or in my case 1.75v. Some run higher, but at a risk of burning up the cpu.

EDIT: Renob beat me to it.

jediphx, you should do a search on this forum for mobile bartons. There are a lot of threads you should read through to see how other folks are able to oc them to the max. It will definately help avoid any confusion later on. :)
 
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Originally posted by: jediphx
im getting 1 gig of Crucial pc3200DDR is that good? also my friend recommended getting this http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=35-124-002&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE
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No, it's probably not good. Crucial is nice in slower server type systems, but they have loose timings (not good) and don't overclock well.

As far as the heatsink, I'd look into some better cooling if you really want to overclock. Look into maybe an SP-97 and a 92mm panaflo (silent) or 92mm vantec tornado (very loud, pushs tons of air).

But yeah, the 2600+ mobile wins hands down over the 2500+ barton.
 
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Actually a good thing to know would be what do you expect to get out of your new system for an overclock?

Honestly, if you can live with an AMD 2600 Mobile running at AMD 3500ish speeds, then here is what you should buy if you want to stay on a budget:
Speeze Falconrock
Kingston Valueram PC3200
AMD Mobile 2600

This WILL run 200/400FSB and you should be able to run the CPU at 12x (2.4Ghz) for the equivalent of around an AMD3500XP.

You did not post what kind of a powersupply you have, I would recommend at least an Antec True380. I personally have the True430 and am very happy with it.

BTW: I have two systems setup with this (or similar) configuration and they are running just fine. The only variance is a Mobile 2500 in one of the systems. I have a third running with better componenets (Thermalright heatsink with Panaflo fan, Muskin Black ram, etc) and I am able to push it a little further, but have had to pay for that performance. This configuration is also pretty darn good and will not take as big of a chunk out of your wallet.

Hmm.. other things, what case do you have? How many fans? How "tidy" is your system's cabling? These all factor in to how well you are going to do on the overclock. Now it doesn't need to neat and clean like a military footlocker, but organized cabling helps along with good airflow.

Oh also, the two systems I have above idle at around 40-41C and under prime95 +other apps load they run about 48-50C.
 
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Hey jediphx,
Followup to pm message
Here's a site you can go to compare the OC results of desktop v mobile. Just go the AMD section and select the specific chip to see the results
Link to OC Database

Also go to the CPU OC sections here and at Toms Hardware Guide, and nForcer'sHQ to see lots of discussion about these mobile chips.
Link to nForcersHQ For Abit Mobo's
 
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Dapunisher,

Good recommendation. I recently got one of those (Vantec Aeroflow). I was very impressed with the finish on the heatsink. Very smooth, no lapping needed. Great value for the price.
 
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Originally posted by: Fern
Dapunisher,

Good recommendation. I recently got one of those (Vantec Aeroflow). I was very impressed with the finish on the heatsink. Very smooth, no lapping needed. Great value for the price.
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Don't forget
super easy to mount too :beer:
 
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my friends running that Vantec, he got 57C at 2.3ghz :\

for $10 more i'd go for this:
volcano 12

i get a max of 43C at 2.4ghz

and before you all pounce on that heatsinks weight, i can asure you its fine. i'm a college kid,my PC gets plenty of movement to and from home and the dorms. not a single problem.

edit: that volcano 12 gives the best thermalright has to offer a run for its money, and i'm rather sure it beats out all but the heatpiped model.
 
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Originally posted by: jediphx
hey punisher would that Vantac fit on an Abit NF7-S?
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Absolutely. Very easy to mount and not overly large, just well designed and effective.
 
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Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
my friends running that Vantec, he got 57C at 2.3ghz :\

for $10 more i'd go for this:
volcano 12

i get a max of 43C at 2.4ghz

and before you all pounce on that heatsinks weight, i can asure you its fine. i'm a college kid,my PC gets plenty of movement to and from home and the dorms. not a single problem.

edit: that volcano 12 gives the best thermalright has to offer a run for its money, and i'm rather sure it beats out all but the heatpiped model.
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If you're going to get the volcano you might as well just get this instead...it beats out the volcano by a few degrees in most of the reviews I've seen. Plus it's cheaper...though you got to buy a fan (this can be a good thing, as it lets you determine the degree of quiet you want)
 
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Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
my friends running that Vantec, he got 57C at 2.3ghz :\

for $10 more i'd go for this:
volcano 12

i get a max of 43C at 2.4ghz

and before you all pounce on that heatsinks weight, i can asure you its fine. i'm a college kid,my PC gets plenty of movement to and from home and the dorms. not a single problem.

edit: that volcano 12 gives the best thermalright has to offer a run for its money, and i'm rather sure it beats out all but the heatpiped model.
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If you aren't using the same board, in the same case, with the same number and rpm fans, same ambient temps, same T.I.M, same monitoring software then temp comparisons are irrelevant. For instance, My Barton@2.43ghz, 1.85v had a 24/7 SETI load temp of 50-52c die temp, 45-47c socket temp using the AeroFlow and Shin-etsu with a room temp of 24c and a case temp of 33c. Temp comparisons between coolers on your system when swapping them out and properly applyingthe T.I.M. are far more relevant. Even then there are factors like noise, price to cooling ratio, and ease of installation to consider. I'm not saying the Volcano 12 isn't a superior cooler, but I honestly doubt it's as wide a margin as your post would indicate.
 
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the volcano is almost twice the size and solid copper plus the fan on its meant for air pressure AND flow :)

i'm the second owner of this volcano because the original owner didn't realize how powerful it was compared to his real needs. it was running the same temps in the same antec case as my friends, different motherboard though(same core, thoroughbred). these are all core readings though.

as far as picking the fan, the volcano comes with a speed controller,you can make it run silent if you really want but the heatsink tends to not perfome well at all with low airflow compared to the thermalrights. its meant for lots of air.

edit: incase it matters, prior to this volcano i had thermaltakes rip off of that vantec, not quiet as good as Vantecs heatsink but comparable and it came with the same fan. the temps were similar but not quite that high.
 
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Originally posted by: vlsi54199
2500+ has the best value IMO
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He'd be better off spending the $8 more for the 2600, if he's wanting 2.5ghz and up.
 
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Originally posted by: myocardia
Originally posted by: vlsi54199
2500+ has the best value IMO
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He'd be better off spending the $8 more for the 2600, if he's wanting 2.5ghz and up.
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$100
gets him a 2500+ iqyha0408 which will more than likely hit 2.6 or above.......
 
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Originally posted by: VisableAssassin
Originally posted by: myocardia
Originally posted by: vlsi54199
2500+ has the best value IMO
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He'd be better off spending the $8 more for the 2600, if he's wanting 2.5ghz and up.
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$100
gets him a 2500+ iqyha0408 which will more than likely hit 2.6 or above.......
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Who is selling guaranteed steppings of the XP-M 2500 for $100? Besides, the XP-M 2600 is less (yeah, slightly less) than $100 at newegg, anyway.;)
 
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Originally posted by: myocardia

Who is selling guaranteed steppings of the XP-M 2500 for $100? Besides, the XP-M 2600 is less (yeah, slightly less) than $100 at newegg, anyway.;)
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ExcaliberPC is has guaranteed steppings for $100 even with shipping.
IQYHA:0408RPMW
http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_info.php?cPath=178_186&products_id=3607

AQYHA0410TPAW
http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_info.php?cPath=178_186&products_id=3660

Of course, they also have guaranteed mobile 2600's too.
 
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