OK, ATi, where are they?

[Hacp]

Looks like the Gforce go 7800GTX is also missing in action. I can't find it anywhere except for a select few vendors. I hate it with Nvidia and their paper launches. Looks like the gforce gos are having a very real yeild problem, and I expect that they won't be widely availble for quite a long time. Sucks that Nvidia broke their record for REAL launches with the gforce go 7800GTX.

As for late crossfire mboards, well it was the mboard manufactuers that chose the UlI southbridge instead of Ati.

As for MIA crossfire x1800 cards, well did they EVER promise those cards? I'm not sure they did.

Finally, did they ever promise that the x1600s and x1800Xts were going to be availible on the day of launch? A paper launch is if they claim availibility and theres no product availible. They have said al along that those products will NOT be availible, so I don't see any "paper" launch . The only product that has been said to be avaible is the x1800Xls. If They did not promise anything, then you should not be expecting anything from them.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: Ackmed
You were talking about the 1300's, from the post you replied to. Trying to switch now? Hmm.

Nope. You're trying to switch, and misdirect the conversation off of ATi's problems and on to any other target, whether it's a poster or whatever.

Yep. You replied to a post about 1300's, then I replied to you. I didnt try and switch anything.

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: fierydemise
but I don't see why people keep bringing up the X1300s almost no one who belongs to these forums cares about them so why bother?

Because it tells me exactly how much stock I can put in ATi's PR. NV's PR, just like ATi's, is a bunch of slimeballs, but at least I can give them money for product when they say I can.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

"We're not talking about specific products here, we're talking about ATi's availability problems in general."

ur getting political, eh?

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
"We're not talking about specific products here, we're talking about ATi's availability problems in general."

ur getting political, eh?

Actually, trying to prevent it. Nothing is more reminiscent of politics than attacks on other contributors motivations, actions, etc., precisely what Ackmed is trying to do by moving the conversation from ATi's availability problems to who's switching between what.

No switching, let's keep on topic: ATi apparently can't ship either video cards or motherboards in volume. Why should we listen to what their spinners are saying, and why hasn't this company lost loads of credibility? Comments on:

Originally posted by: Insomniak
- X800 series phantom editions
- MIA X1300s
- X1600s and X1800s that fall into the "oh, when we said hard launch, we meant hard launch a *month* after the paper launch" category
- Late X800 CrossFire cards
- MIA CrossFire Motherboards
- MIA CrossFire X1800 cards
- "hard launch" meaning "availability from 3 vendors".

Are fully welcome.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Looks like the Gforce go 7800GTX is also missing in action. I can't find it anywhere except for a select few vendors. I hate it with Nvidia and their paper launches.

Errr, if they're at a few vendors, and were the day they were launched, how is that a "paper launch"? No vendor in the world had a next gen ATI part on 10/5.

Looks like the gforce gos are having a very real yeild problem, and I expect that they won't be widely availble for quite a long time. Sucks that Nvidia broke their record for REAL launches with the gforce go 7800GTX.

Errr, like I said, link to verification there were no GeForce Gos at launch? Also the Geforce Go is a mobile part that needs to be integrated into laptop designs, not a separate card that will sit on any PCIE motherboard in the world? :roll: Nice try though.

As for late crossfire mboards, well it was the mboard manufactuers that chose the UlI southbridge instead of Ati.

That fills me with confidence! OEMs scrap ATIs design because ATI can't figure it out, and switch to Acer Laboratories Inc, now known as ULI.

As for MIA crossfire x1800 cards, well did they EVER promise those cards? I'm not sure they did.

The fact is they hard launched nothing on 10/5. A paper launch all the way around, all too common for ATI lately.

Finally, did they ever promise that the x1600s and x1800Xts were going to be availible on the day of launch? A paper launch is if they claim availibility and theres no product availible. They have said al along that those products will NOT be availible, so I don't see any "paper" launch .[/b]
Au contraire mon frere.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2532

Internal ATI documentation specifically claims that the R520 series will ship at launch, just as NVIDIA's 7800GTX and 7800GT series shipped and launched on the same dates.

I could dig up where ATI promised some would be available at launch, and some "a few weeks later".

The only product that has been said to be avaible is the x1800Xls. If They did not promise anything, then you should not be expecting anything from them.

You can bet after the last few years I expect very little from ATI, truth included. They promised some cards would be available at launch, none were, and they can apparently make some X1800XTs, but not enough to go to market.

 

[Chocolate Pi]

I've about had it with the extreme negativity towards ATI lately.

People are running around screaming "PAPER LAUNCH!" like a Salem witch trial; is keeping consumers in the dark until product launch a GOOD THING? Look at the 7800GTX with 512 MB: has nVidia "paper launched" that? What about the mobile 7800 that only Dell has? Just because ATI told us ahead of time about the X1800 XT a month before it comes out does not mean they have somehow failed and it is a horrible product. Misleading customers, THAT is the root of all evil we should be hunting. When it comes to phantom X800 cards or vanishing Crossfire boards or cards or... everything really... THEN feel free to grab your pitchforks and scream.

Both sides need to step back. Four and only four things matter in the ultra-high end market this holiday season:

1. The Performance of the X1800 XT with 512 MB
2. The Street Price of the X1800 XT with 512 MB
3. The Performance of the 7800GTX with 512 MB
4. The Street Price of the 7800GTX with 512 MB

Please note that of these, we only know the first right now.

You can't compare the X1800 512 card with a 256 7800GTX, it isn't fair to either side. The 512 card will show significant gains in games like F.E.A.R., while the 256 card will have a respectable price advantage. It's like comparing two different price classes. I'm almost certain that a 7800GTX with more and faster memory would even out the advantages of the X1800 XT, but remove the price difference.

I'm not on ATI's side, they had nothing that could touch my 6600GT in its class, but I can't stand to see desperately fanboys trying to justify their purchases by comparing its street price to the MSRP of another card with double the memory...

EDIT: Bah, darn typos.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Hacp
Looks like the Gforce go 7800GTX is also missing in action. I can't find it anywhere except for a select few vendors. I hate it with Nvidia and their paper launches.

Errr, if they're at a few vendors, and were the day they were launched, how is that a "paper launch"? No vendor in the world had a next gen ATI part on 10/5.

Looks like the gforce gos are having a very real yeild problem, and I expect that they won't be widely availble for quite a long time. Sucks that Nvidia broke their record for REAL launches with the gforce go 7800GTX.

Errr, like I said, link to verification there were no GeForce Gos at launch? Also the Geforce Go is a mobile part that needs to be integrated into laptop designs, not a separate card that will sit on any PCIE motherboard in the world? :roll: Nice try though.

As for late crossfire mboards, well it was the mboard manufactuers that chose the UlI southbridge instead of Ati.

That fills me with confidence! OEMs scrap ATIs design because ATI can't figure it out, and switch to Acer Laboratories Inc, now known as ULI.

As for MIA crossfire x1800 cards, well did they EVER promise those cards? I'm not sure they did.

The fact is they hard launched nothing on 10/5. A paper launch all the way around, all too common for ATI lately.

Finally, did they ever promise that the x1600s and x1800Xts were going to be availible on the day of launch? A paper launch is if they claim availibility and theres no product availible. They have said al along that those products will NOT be availible, so I don't see any "paper" launch .[/b]
Au contraire mon frere.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2532

Internal ATI documentation specifically claims that the R520 series will ship at launch, just as NVIDIA's 7800GTX and 7800GT series shipped and launched on the same dates.

I could dig up where ATI promised some would be available at launch, and some "a few weeks later".

The only product that has been said to be avaible is the x1800Xls. If They did not promise anything, then you should not be expecting anything from them.

You can bet after the last few years I expect very little from ATI, truth included. They promised some cards would be available at launch, none were, and they can apparently make some X1800XTs, but not enough to go to market.

Still, only a few vendors have the 7800GTX? Nvidia said it was compatible with the 6800Ultra GO parts, so NEW LAPTOP DESIGNS WERE NOT NEEDED. Nice try though.

As for crossfire master cards for x1800 series, they never promised that they would be availible. I don't even think they said that crossfire x1800 would be avilible on paper.

Also, please dig up RECENT documents where ATI has promised that the x1600 and x1800 will be widely availible on the launch day. Things change. For example it was widely expected that the x1800XT was supposed to be 600/1400. Its 625/1500. Unless ATI has claimed that the x1600 and x1800XT iwas going to be avaiible on october 5th, and specifially said their statement DURING october 5th or the days following or preceeding it, then you have no basis for attack ATI on the "paper" launch o fhte Xts and the 1600 series.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Looks like the Gforce go 7800GTX is also missing in action. I can't find it anywhere except for a select few vendors. I hate it with Nvidia and their paper launches. Looks like the gforce gos are having a very real yeild problem, and I expect that they won't be widely availble for quite a long time. Sucks that Nvidia broke their record for REAL launches with the gforce go 7800GTX.

Apparently, you never watched the Go 6800 launches. The card isn't present in a lot of laptops to begin with (a handful at best), so there's no record breaking here. Dell's XPS has had it (and they're available), among a few other select vendors that generally pick them up. Don't expect to see them in a lot of laptops, because most vendors don't pick them up to begin with, which has nothing to do with availability.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: Hacp
Looks like the Gforce go 7800GTX is also missing in action. I can't find it anywhere except for a select few vendors. I hate it with Nvidia and their paper launches. Looks like the gforce gos are having a very real yeild problem, and I expect that they won't be widely availble for quite a long time. Sucks that Nvidia broke their record for REAL launches with the gforce go 7800GTX.

Apparently, you never watched the Go 6800 launches. The card isn't present in a lot of laptops to begin with (a handful at best), so there's no record breaking here. Dell's XPS has had it (and they're available), among a few other select vendors that generally pick them up. Don't expect to see them in a lot of laptops, because most vendors don't pick them up to begin with, which has nothing to do with availability.

Obviously I was making a statement that having it availible at popular vendors meant availiblility. When the XLS are out at newegg and everyone can get one at newegg, then I consider that availible. Sure you can't buy it at your local store just yet, but if you want one, you can go online and purchase it through money order/credit/papal.

Just like you wouldn't consider the 7800GTX go a paper launch because it is availible at the few popular vendors. You can't buy a laptop with that video card at your local store, but if you wanted it, then you could go through the vendors and purchase a laptop with that specific card,

 

[Ronin]

You can't buy a laptop with a 6800 Go Ultra (or any other version of the 6800) at your local store, either, because most of the major vendors don't put them in their machines (due to cost). Most vendors use the mid and low range cards (such as the x600/x700/6200/6600) rather than the high end, and only the premium folks that sell the DTRs use the high end stuff. That's the way it's been, and it's likely not to change.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Chocolate Pi
Both sides need to step back. Four and only four things matter in the ultra-high end market this holiday season:

1. The Performance of the X1800 XT with 512 MB
2. The Street Price of the X1800 XT with 512 MB
3. The Performance of the 7800GTX with 512 MB
4. The Street Price of the 7800GTX with 512 MB

I agree completely. Thing is, at this rate, nVidia will have 512MB 7800GTX cards in our hands before ATi has any XT's for sale.

ATi dropped the ball big time this cycle all the way around, and to deny that is just fanboyism at its finest.

 

[fishmonger12]

i like the video forum. my first reaction was offense, then participation, and now it's like watching a circus.

i'm sure everyone will be happy in the end. people will either wait for the ati products, buy an nvidia product, or realize the 6800gt or x800xl they bought last gen is still pretty bitchin and will move on to the off topic forum.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Also, please dig up RECENT documents where ATI has promised that the x1600 and x1800 will be widely availible on the launch day. Things change. For example it was widely expected that the x1800XT was supposed to be 600/1400. Its 625/1500. Unless ATI has claimed that the x1600 and x1800XT iwas going to be avaiible on october 5th, and specifially said their statement DURING october 5th or the days following or preceeding it, then you have no basis for attack ATI on the "paper" launch o fhte Xts and the 1600 series.

Wow, you mean because ATI changed their minds this month we shouldn't care what they said last month?

 

[MBentz]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Hacp
Looks like the Gforce go 7800GTX is also missing in action. I can't find it anywhere except for a select few vendors. I hate it with Nvidia and their paper launches.

Errr, if they're at a few vendors, and were the day they were launched, how is that a "paper launch"? No vendor in the world had a next gen ATI part on 10/5.

Looks like the gforce gos are having a very real yeild problem, and I expect that they won't be widely availble for quite a long time. Sucks that Nvidia broke their record for REAL launches with the gforce go 7800GTX.

Errr, like I said, link to verification there were no GeForce Gos at launch? Also the Geforce Go is a mobile part that needs to be integrated into laptop designs, not a separate card that will sit on any PCIE motherboard in the world? :roll: Nice try though.

As for late crossfire mboards, well it was the mboard manufactuers that chose the UlI southbridge instead of Ati.

That fills me with confidence! OEMs scrap ATIs design because ATI can't figure it out, and switch to Acer Laboratories Inc, now known as ULI.

As for MIA crossfire x1800 cards, well did they EVER promise those cards? I'm not sure they did.

The fact is they hard launched nothing on 10/5. A paper launch all the way around, all too common for ATI lately.

Finally, did they ever promise that the x1600s and x1800Xts were going to be availible on the day of launch? A paper launch is if they claim availibility and theres no product availible. They have said al along that those products will NOT be availible, so I don't see any "paper" launch .[/b]
Au contraire mon frere.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2532

Internal ATI documentation specifically claims that the R520 series will ship at launch, just as NVIDIA's 7800GTX and 7800GT series shipped and launched on the same dates.

I could dig up where ATI promised some would be available at launch, and some "a few weeks later".

The only product that has been said to be avaible is the x1800Xls. If They did not promise anything, then you should not be expecting anything from them.

You can bet after the last few years I expect very little from ATI, truth included. They promised some cards would be available at launch, none were, and they can apparently make some X1800XTs, but not enough to go to market.

Still, only a few vendors have the 7800GTX? Nvidia said it was compatible with the 6800Ultra GO parts, so NEW LAPTOP DESIGNS WERE NOT NEEDED. Nice try though.

As for crossfire master cards for x1800 series, they never promised that they would be availible. I don't even think they said that crossfire x1800 would be avilible on paper.

Also, please dig up RECENT documents where ATI has promised that the x1600 and x1800 will be widely availible on the launch day. Things change. For example it was widely expected that the x1800XT was supposed to be 600/1400. Its 625/1500. Unless ATI has claimed that the x1600 and x1800XT iwas going to be avaiible on october 5th, and specifially said their statement DURING october 5th or the days following or preceeding it, then you have no basis for attack ATI on the "paper" launch o fhte Xts and the 1600 series.

What the heck are you thinking? Why would ATi create CrossFire and not make it compatible with tomorrow technology. You are amazing.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: MBentz
What the heck are you thinking? Why would ATi create CrossFire and not make it compatible with tomorrow technology. You are amazing.

No what hes saying is that ATI has yet to give a launch date for the X1K crossfire cards (although we all know they're coming)so they can't be called a paper launch because we don't even have a launch date.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

Originally posted by: fishmonger12
i like the video forum. my first reaction was offense, then participation, and now it's like watching a circus.

i'm sure everyone will be happy in the end. people will either wait for the ati products, buy an nvidia product, or realize the 6800gt or x800xl they bought last gen is still pretty bitchin and will move on to the off topic forum.

QFT!

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
according to AT's pricing engine 3 etailers have XLs instock (newegg, monarch and allstarshop) and ZZF has them for preorder although getting data about how many have been shipped 3 etailers (including arguably the biggest one (newegg)) thats not bad although it may not be great its not a paper launch. As for X1300s things arn't quite as rosy, AT's pricing engine doesn't have any but I don't see why people keep bringing up the X1300s almost no one who belongs to these forums cares about them so why bother?

I would be if I was building a non gaming box and wanted to avoid onboard graphic solutions...

 

[Duvie]

I also think 3 etailers now 2-1/2 weeks after launch is turning out to be rather anemic....I know fryes has hasd them and that is great to get them to the brick and mortar stors but I wouldn't by any means call this "VOLUME"....

Crazy Dingo...whay say you???

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: fierydemise
according to AT's pricing engine 3 etailers have XLs instock (newegg, monarch and allstarshop) and ZZF has them for preorder although getting data about how many have been shipped 3 etailers (including arguably the biggest one (newegg)) thats not bad although it may not be great its not a paper launch. As for X1300s things arn't quite as rosy, AT's pricing engine doesn't have any but I don't see why people keep bringing up the X1300s almost no one who belongs to these forums cares about them so why bother?

I would be if I was building a non gaming box and wanted to avoid onboard graphic solutions...

It's also a very compelling solution for HTPCs.