oil spill cleanup efforts are a disorganized mess

[nageov3t]

From the beginning, the effort has been bedeviled by a lack of preparation, organization, urgency and clear lines of authority among federal, state and local officials, as well as BP. As a result, officials and experts say, the damage to the coastline and wildlife has been worse than it might have been if the response had been faster and orchestrated more effectively.

“The present system is not working,” Senator Bill Nelson of Florida said Thursday at a hearing in Washington devoted to assessing the spill and the response. Oil had just entered Florida waters, Senator Nelson said, adding that no one was notified at either the state or local level, a failure of communication that echoed Mr. Bonano’s story and countless others along the Gulf Coast...

The main problems, many here say, have been sluggish response times and a consistent impression that no one is in charge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/15/science/earth/15cleanup.html


it's a long article and I'm not going to post the entire thing, but it seems to suggest that there's a real deficit in strong, centralized leadership to oversee the multi-state disaster recovery efforts... you know, the kind of thing that even libertarians might expect the federal government to handle.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Obama can't even be bothered to SPEAK with the CEO of BP and its a surprise that there is a lack of leadership? Of course, if your are a dictator, he's MORE than happy to talk to you. Ahmadinejad? Chavez? Kim Jong Il? He's got an open line for you. The CEO of a company causing the worst environmental disaster in the history of this nation? Nyah.. too much effort.

 

[rudder]

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/miles-...it-in-warehouse-waiting-for-bp-or-u-s-to-use/

 

[Fear No Evil]

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/miles-...it-in-warehouse-waiting-for-bp-or-u-s-to-use/

But WHAT MORE can Obama do? WHAT CAN HE DO?!?! He's not GOD.. He can't wave his hand and magically send thousands of people to deploy these booms..

Oh wait.. yes he can..

 

[Jhhnn]

What did you expect? It took the bushistas 8 years reorganize FEMA into the clusterfuck dept of homeland security they created. As with anything like that, it's always easier to destroy than to build. They always claimed govt was incompetent, and did their dead level best to make it that way...

Now 17 months into their first term, the Obama admin gets to run what they brung, which was the wreck the bush admin left for 'em...

And if the Feds attempted to run the whole show, righties would jump right up and start screaming about states' rights and usurpation of constitutional privilege, blah, blah, blah... If they took on the expense, why, they'd be letting BP off the hook, right? Wasting taxpayers' money, too, no doubt.

And I'm sure that "smaller govt" would have handled it all a lot better...

Yep, we're every bit as prepared to deal with this as we were the day Dubya left office...

But it's all Obama's fault, right?

OH, Yeh, and "Drill, Baby, Drill!"

In the words of Bugs Bunny- "What a bunch of maroons!"

 

[CycloWizard]

But WHAT MORE can Obama do? WHAT CAN HE DO?!?! He's not GOD.. He can't wave his hand and magically send thousands of people to deploy these booms..

Oh wait.. yes he can..

It's much better for his 2012 campaign to just keep writing those people checks. Keeping them comfortable on their couches with a steady supply of government cheese should guarantee their vote. Making them do any amount of work to earn the cheese would surely piss them off.

 

[Danube]

it's a long article and I'm not going to post the entire thing, but it seems to suggest that there's a real deficit in strong, centralized leadership to oversee the multi-state disaster recovery efforts

Most everyone understand this - which is why Obama was on a tour to minimize public perception of the damage by visiting clean areas and getting ice cream (in between rounds of golf - which he sucks at btw).

 

[xenolith]

What did you expect? It took the bushistas 8 years reorganize FEMA into the clusterfuck dept of homeland security they created. As with anything like that, it's always easier to destroy than to build. They always claimed govt was incompetent, and did their dead level best to make it that way...

Now 17 months into their first term, the Obama admin gets to run what they brung, which was the wreck the bush admin left for 'em...

And if the Feds attempted to run the whole show, righties would jump right up and start screaming about states' rights and usurpation of constitutional privilege, blah, blah, blah... If they took on the expense, why, they'd be letting BP off the hook, right? Wasting taxpayers' money, too, no doubt.

And I'm sure that "smaller govt" would have handled it all a lot better...

Yep, we're every bit as prepared to deal with this as we were the day Dubya left office...

But it's all Obama's fault, right?

OH, Yeh, and "Drill, Baby, Drill!"

In the words of Bugs Bunny- "What a bunch of maroons!"

If a blackhole swallows the earth tomorrow, well that's gotta be entirely the fault of dubya and the righties' smaller gov't too.

And I can't think of a better quote than what you used, from a freaking cartoon character, to accentuate your derangement. :\

 

[HappyPuppy]

I hope everyone enjoys feeling the change in their pockets. It won't be there much longer.

 

[her209]

Drill Baby Drill

 

[StageLeft]

When the name of the game is CYA you don't take charge because you invite too much criticism.

 

[boomerang]

He lost me in regards to this issue when I read that he's turned away help offered from other nations because he doesn't want to piss off his union base. He politicized something which should never have been politicized. Dealing with and cleaning up this mess is secondary to pushing the progressive agenda.

This guy is consistent, I'll give him that. If there is a common sense solution and an insane partisan solution, he'll go with insane every time.

 

[ayabe]

He lost me in regards to this issue when I read that he's turned away help offered from other nations because he doesn't want to piss off his union base. He politicized something which should never have been politicized. Dealing with and cleaning up this mess is secondary to pushing the progressive agenda.

This guy is consistent, I'll give him that. If there is a common sense solution and an insane partisan solution, he'll go with insane every time.

We also didn't accept help from other nations after Katrina.

 

[nageov3t]

What did you expect? It took the bushistas 8 years reorganize FEMA into the clusterfuck dept of homeland security they created. As with anything like that, it's always easier to destroy than to build. They always claimed govt was incompetent, and did their dead level best to make it that way...

Now 17 months into their first term, the Obama admin gets to run what they brung, which was the wreck the bush admin left for 'em...

And I'm sure that "smaller govt" would have handled it all a lot better...

Yep, we're every bit as prepared to deal with this as we were the day Dubya left office.

I'm not a small government rightie and I think that GWB is an asshole.

In the past 17 months, what specific steps has the Obama administration taken to reform FEMA?

 

[Linflas]

I'm not a small government rightie and I think that GWB is an asshole.

In the past 17 months, what specific steps has the Obama administration taken to reform FEMA?

Other than saying the buck stops here but we inherited the buck and are not responsible for it not much.

 

[Darwin333]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/15/science/earth/15cleanup.html


it's a long article and I'm not going to post the entire thing, but it seems to suggest that there's a real deficit in strong, centralized leadership to oversee the multi-state disaster recovery efforts... you know, the kind of thing that even libertarians might expect the federal government to handle.

Umm, this isn't news. We have been screaming about that for over a month now. BPs response has been a clusterfuck of hurry up and wait, thousands of workers doing fuckall, hundreds of boats waiting to go to work for weeks finally get 3 days of work.... when Obama is in town (and then they are told to just go look for oil... Yeah, we kinda already know where the fuck it is), the best tools/methods/equipment to cleanup the spill still to this day not being employed (the local governments have guys on jackup barges using fucking wet vacs to suck the oil out of the water for fucks sake), absolutely no one in charge regardless of who says what to the media, CG permitting travel in an area and then BP saying otherwise and BP WINS?!?!?

The Governments response has been even worse. Look up my dozens of other posts if you want specifics but calling it a 3 ring circus without a ringmaster is an insult to 3 ring circuses. Its to the point that the people are starting to beg for FEMA to take over for gods sake!! The same people that went through Katrina and know just how fucking horrible FEMA was would actually prefer them over the current clusterfuck. Never in all my days would did I think I would ever hear that.

Fuck BP, Fuck the COE, Fuck the EPA, and Fuck Obama. I can't wait to see his "Oval Office" speech tonight, maybe he can tell us whose ass he is gonna kick. If he actually says he is gonna kick the head of the COE square in the nuts TWICE and then does it on live TV, I might vote for his reelection. Otherwise LEAD, FOLLOW OR GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY right now you are IN THE GOD DAMNED WAY. Stop being a part of the problem and start being a part of the solution. This mess is starting to make Katrina look like an organized well planned and executed response.

Send back General Honore with a few dozen NG, he knows how to get shit done instead of the current (as he would say) "stuck on stupid" bullshit.

 

[heyheybooboo]

LOL at the Rage.

You guys are pathetic.

I can't wait for the faux rage when a beach is cleaned and 3 days later it is again covered in oil; then you will bitch about the cost of having to clean the beach twice, blame Obama and curse the gov't.





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[rudder]

Most everyone understand this - which is why Obama was on a tour to minimize public perception of the damage by visiting clean areas and getting ice cream (in between rounds of golf - which he sucks at btw).

Meanwhile back at the ranch.... Gov. Jindal is not waiting around for obama or BP...

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/article/bp-oil-spill-gov-bobby-jindal-orders-national/story?id=10914348

 

[rudder]

What did you expect? It took the bushistas 8 years reorganize FEMA into the clusterfuck dept of homeland security they created. As with anything like that, it's always easier to destroy than to build. They always claimed govt was incompetent, and did their dead level best to make it that way...

Now 17 months into their first term, the Obama admin gets to run what they brung, which was the wreck the bush admin left for 'em...

Hmm yeh, just like blaming bush for 9/11 after he inherited a CIA weakened by 8 years of the Clinton administration. And that was only 9 months after taking office. If it was bushies fault after 9 months this is sure as hell obamas fault after nearly twice the time in office.

 

[Darwin333]

What did you expect? It took the bushistas 8 years reorganize FEMA into the clusterfuck dept of homeland security they created. As with anything like that, it's always easier to destroy than to build. They always claimed govt was incompetent, and did their dead level best to make it that way...

Now 17 months into their first term, the Obama admin gets to run what they brung, which was the wreck the bush admin left for 'em...

And if the Feds attempted to run the whole show, righties would jump right up and start screaming about states' rights and usurpation of constitutional privilege, blah, blah, blah... If they took on the expense, why, they'd be letting BP off the hook, right? Wasting taxpayers' money, too, no doubt.

And I'm sure that "smaller govt" would have handled it all a lot better...

Yep, we're every bit as prepared to deal with this as we were the day Dubya left office...

But it's all Obama's fault, right?

OH, Yeh, and "Drill, Baby, Drill!"

In the words of Bugs Bunny- "What a bunch of maroons!"

Shut the fuck up because you have no idea what you are talking about. Bush fucking things up is no excuse for us not having a clear chain of command. I can write one up my damned self in 30 minutes, if the president doesn't have someone competent enough to do that within 2 damned months that is his fault not Bush's.

ALL of the problems we have can be easily fixed. We have even told them how the fuck to do it, a few phone calls and maybe a signature or two and Obama could improve the mitigation and cleanup efforts immensely. Instead they are IMPEDING THE CLEANUP EFFORT! Do you even understand that? The Feds are fucking shit up WORSE by getting in the god damned way. The COE takes weeks to issue permits when days matter, the CG won't allow states to close their own waterways because "they are navigable" (who gives a shit that closing it would save TONS of inland estuaries, we can't have boats taking detours now can we), products used by little government agencies like the US Navy, US Army and the US Coast Guard (used very successfully) can't even get a return phone call from the EPA to set testing/approval, untold amounts of toxic shit are being dumped into our waters and when the Government tells BP to stop BP tells them to get bent (who is in charge again?), instead of big ass tankers sucking the oil off of the surface (a proven and extremely effective method of actually getting oil OUT of the water, novel idea huh) the state has guys on jackup barges with motherfucking wet vacs!!!

And you have the nerve to sit here and tell me that Obama can't fix any of that? If he doesn't have the ability to be an affective leader and LEAD then tell him to put me in charge. I'll fix half the shit for him and even let him take the credit. I guaranfuckingtee you that General Honore would have this bureaucratic red tape bullshit solved and be working on the next set of problems before dinner his first day done here but poor Obama can't do (or send someone willing and able to do) a thing about any of that because of Bush. Give me a fucking break.

As far as "small government", every "small government" person I know thinks protecting our national security is one of the things the government should do well.

So fuck you and everyone that looks like you. You don't know the first damn thing about what you are talking about and all you are doing is being a part of the problem. Stop being a part of the problem and start being a part of the solution or just stfu.

 

[Darwin333]

We also didn't accept help from other nations after Katrina.

Great, so he is fucking up at least as bad as Bush did during Katrina. That sure makes me feel better.

 

[MrEgo]

Hmm yeh, just like blaming bush for 9/11 after he inherited a CIA weakened by 8 years of the Clinton administration. And that was only 9 months after taking office. If it was bushies fault after 9 months this is sure as hell obamas fault after nearly twice the time in office.

But..But..Bush!

But..But..Clinton!

But..But..Other Bush!

But..But..Washington!

 

[heyheybooboo]

...

So fuck you and everyone that looks like you. You don't know the first damn thing about what you are talking about and all you are doing is being a part of the problem. Stop being a part of the problem and start being a part of the solution or just stfu.

Back at you, Chump.

Your hyperbole, ignorance, blame and obfuscation goes beyond viral trolling.

To attack others as 'part of the problem' and others that disagree with you as 'part of the problem' is juvenile, at best.





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[MrEgo]

And you have the nerve to sit here and tell me that Obama can't fix any of that? If he doesn't have the ability to be an affective leader and LEAD then tell him to put me in charge. I'll fix half the shit for him and even let him take the credit

You would be great at giving out orders via internet forum. Then when the spill still isn't cleaned up, and you realize that this cluster isn't just a matter of leadership, you can fade away into anonymity.

 

[MrEgo]

Shut the fuck up because you have no idea what you are talking about. Bush fucking things up is no excuse for us not having a clear chain of command. I can write one up my damned self in 30 minutes, if the president doesn't have someone competent enough to do that within 2 damned months that is his fault not Bush's.

ALL of the problems we have can be easily fixed. We have even told them how the fuck to do it, a few phone calls and maybe a signature or two and Obama could improve the mitigation and cleanup efforts immensely. Instead they are IMPEDING THE CLEANUP EFFORT! Do you even understand that? The Feds are fucking shit up WORSE by getting in the god damned way. The COE takes weeks to issue permits when days matter, the CG won't allow states to close their own waterways because "they are navigable" (who gives a shit that closing it would save TONS of inland estuaries, we can't have boats taking detours now can we), products used by little government agencies like the US Navy, US Army and the US Coast Guard (used very successfully) can't even get a return phone call from the EPA to set testing/approval, untold amounts of toxic shit are being dumped into our waters and when the Government tells BP to stop BP tells them to get bent (who is in charge again?), instead of big ass tankers sucking the oil off of the surface (a proven and extremely effective method of actually getting oil OUT of the water, novel idea huh) the state has guys on jackup barges with motherfucking wet vacs!!!

And you have the nerve to sit here and tell me that Obama can't fix any of that? If he doesn't have the ability to be an affective leader and LEAD then tell him to put me in charge. I'll fix half the shit for him and even let him take the credit. I guaranfuckingtee you that General Honore would have this bureaucratic red tape bullshit solved and be working on the next set of problems before dinner his first day done here but poor Obama can't do (or send someone willing and able to do) a thing about any of that because of Bush. Give me a fucking break.

As far as "small government", every "small government" person I know thinks protecting our national security is one of the things the government should do well.

So fuck you and everyone that looks like you. You don't know the first damn thing about what you are talking about and all you are doing is being a part of the problem. Stop being a part of the problem and start being a part of the solution or just stfu.

Gooooood...gooood...let the hate flow through you!